Current Events > I think the whole ''move out when you're 18'' is a byproduct of manifest destiny

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And the whole American frontiersmen lifestyle. It's more of a western and predominantly American thing to expect the kids to move out when they're 18 and both find and afford an apartment/house somewhere 2000 miles away in a different state or whatever.

Hell in most Asian countries and societies, even after getting married the sons and and daughters still live "at home" and at most they maybe add an extra story to the house or something.

But America pretty much came to be by frontiersmen moving out West and taking more and more land in the bountiful country that was 1800s America, so that modern day equivalent seems to have been expecting the children of parents to also move out and lay a claim or stake to a piece of land, regardless of how affordable or not it has become now to do that

Move out, bud.

We honestly should stop shaming people for not moving at 18. This is a massive reason why debt culture is a thing. Waiting until you are actually financially independent is a smart thing to do

Manifest Destiny, a phrase coined in 1845, is the idea that the United States is destinedby God, its advocates believedto expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent.

The 3 reasons for Manifest Destiny
-the virtue of the American people and their institutions;
-the mission to spread these institutions, thereby redeeming and remaking the world in the image of the United States
- the destiny under God to do this work.

I understand the desire to move out when you turn 18, but tbh, I would much rather my kids (assuming I ever have kids) have financial stability before they move out. At the very least get them interested in Tiny home living because its a hell of a lot more affordable than renting/buying property on the free market. Plus you can adjust how things should look.

Spending 200k CAD on a built home with issues in a province with low housing cost, vs spending 100k and getting something that is actually livable is a game changer. I own a 200k house and even I'm thinking of downsizing to a smaller home just because its cheaper and I can move shit where I actually want it. I can do that now, but the plumbing is an absolute nightmare.

Kicking kids out at 18 was always an awful and cruel idea, but if one still believe in it now, they have to be the above and downright ignorant as well. Multi-generational housing has been a thing forever. It was probably greedy real estate and other big wig types who started this like how diamond companies started the idea of buying diamond engagement rings that are a certain percent of your salary.

It's stupid and any parent who forces it on a kid is awful. Maybe if the family is loaded and the kid isn't being cut off, it's ok

It's the heroes journey fam fam!

I honestly don't think "you're out by 18" is much of a thing anymore. At least not since 2008. Living with your folks up to mid 20s is pretty normalized.

Ivany2008 posted...

I understand the desire to move out when you turn 18, but tbh, I would much rather my kids (assuming I ever have kids) have financial stability before they move out. At the very least get them interested in Tiny home living because its a hell of a lot more affordable than renting/buying property on the free market. Plus you can adjust how things should look.

Spending 200k CAD on a built home with issues in a province with low housing cost, vs spending 100k and getting something that is actually livable is a game changer. I own a 200k house and even I'm thinking of downsizing to a smaller home just because its cheaper and I can move shit where I actually want it. I can do that now, but the plumbing is an absolute nightmare.

How did you find one at 200k???

In quebec even some that are not that great are 300k

tbh I've never met anyone whom I would consider to be a good parent who expected their kids to be out by 18. That sort of thing is usually accompanied by years of shitty parenting and toxic home life

If housing wasn't so expansive nowadays on a single income 18 or even younger would be a reasonable age for youths to move out.

It's a big reason why this country is full of shit and why I dislike it so much. Thanks to that cultural mindset, tons of people after high school moved away from my hometown and I miss a lot of them.

I wasn't expecting everybody to stay, let alone in the same hometown, but most of them moved to bumfuck nowhere down south.

Now, where's the logic in that? There's plenty of jobs in blue states up north and you won't get treated like shit like in red states.

The idea of differentiating adulthood from childhood is good, but the push to equate adulthood to complete independence is weird. It should be a time to start pushing towards independence and give new responsibilities to the new adult like starting to pay rent to the parents, but the trope of shoving them out the door should only be something practiced by terrible people.

huh. I'd never thought of that. but intuitively it does make some sort of sense

Our society goes hard in the "building character/sink or swim" mindset but the consequences of sinking are as dire as it's ever been

Why do you want to stay with your family? The thought of being around my sibling and parents any longer makes me depressed. I'm so glad I moved to another city.

Back then college was a rare thing and you could afford a family just doing minimum wage like working at McDonalds.

Seeing how college happens after 18 and is expensive, it makes no sense anyways unless they got some scholarship to a school far away to live in dorm.

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Traditional College age here is 17 where I live and it's common for people to leave home at that age. I know I had friends still at their parents home who were judged by our peers, but leaving home at that age was a terrible idea for me and I dropped out of college the first time I went.

I dont think I know anyone who actually moved out for good at 18 (college dorms doesnt count). Everyone either stayed for at least a couple years or came back after college.

Yeah, I've known some people who have gotten kicked out at 18. I had a friend who's mom did the "You're an adult, so you're out of here" thing, and it happened out of the blue as well.

She says it really taught how to be self-sufficient really quickly, but also taught her to pretty much hate her mom.

I am one of five siblings, and that was one thing my parents made very clear. I believe I said it to somebody the other day in this exact phrasing, but they told us, the end of summer after your senior year of high school is checkout time. We could go to college, we could find an apartment and get a job, but we would no longer be living at home.

My younger brother is the last one still at home, he is nearing the end of his senior year and going off to college in the fall, and my parents will be empty-nesters

It's more about making money for the land owning class. If you move out you have to pay rent to them.

Itachi157 posted...

I dont think I know anyone who actually moved out for good at 18 (college dorms doesnt count). Everyone either stayed for at least a couple years or came back after college.

Not everybody who start college move to a dorm, I had an appartment with flatmates(the dorms look uncomfortable as hell though)

Hayame_Zero posted...

Yeah, I've known some people who have gotten kicked out at 18. I had a friend who's mom did the "You're an adult, so you're out of here" thing, and it happened out of the blue as well.

She says it really taught how to be self-sufficient really quickly, but also taught her to pretty much hate her mom.

I got a friend who lived that. They kicked him out and informed him 1 month before he was 18.

When I was 17, I had a 17 years old boyfriend who was in foster care who got kicked out at 18 and he begged his adoptive family to keep him and pay a rent.... did they even care about him?

ScazarMeltex posted...

It's more about making money for the land owning class. If you move out you have to pay rent to them.

I don't think this is incompatible with the idea that TC presented

epik_fail1 posted...

How did you find one at 200k???

In quebec even some that are not that great are 300k

I live in Newfoundland. We have somewhat affordable housing. It's everything else that is shit. Our average salary is lower than the rest of Canada, and our food gets shipped in, so by the time it hits the shelves its already a week past what everyone else is getting. Meaning I've seen my fair share of spoiled produce.

I had to start growing my own vegetables last year. Best tasting food of my life mind you, but its very time consuming. I'm eventually moving out of the province, but wherever I go, I'm probably going with a tiny home. I already have rough schematics of how I want it to be built so I maximize space.