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HylianFox
12/30/22 10:38:57 PM
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Why right-wing douchebags have glomed onto this film and use it as the basis for literally everything they promote is beyond me, but it's getting fucking old and I wish the film never was made
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IfGodCouldDie
12/30/22 10:40:10 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Why right-wing douchebags have glomed onto this film and use it as the basis for literally everything they promote is beyond me, but it's getting fucking old and I wish the film never was made
>_>
Its kind if funny considering what it is a metaphor for.

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MelbuFrahma4
12/30/22 10:41:04 PM
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Its basically a Sci-Fi Office Space.

Fight Club and American Beauty also had similar themes.

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A_Good_Boy
12/30/22 10:41:05 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Its kind if funny considering what it is a metaphor for.
It's also kinda funny considering who the movies creators are.

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KeeperOfShadows
12/30/22 10:46:21 PM
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They would just use some other piece of media for inspiration.

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TetsuoS2
12/30/22 10:46:26 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Its kind if funny considering what it is a metaphor for.

American History X table scene is used by nazis lol.

it is known they aren't smart.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 10:47:28 PM
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I'd be fine with erasing the movie if The Matrix Reloaded can be blamed for modern fight scenes being filmed with the editor's finger on the fast-forward button. I hate that shit.
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IfGodCouldDie
12/30/22 10:59:07 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's also kinda funny considering who the movies creators are.
If you're making the point I think you are it is the same point I was making lol

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Cheater87
12/30/22 10:59:59 PM
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But then we would never have had Max Payne!

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Medussa
12/30/22 11:07:52 PM
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i'm convinced they do it on purpose. take art made by people who they know don't agree with them, and twist it to use against them.

seriously, go listen to right-wing talk radio for a couple days, and pay attention to what music they use.

more seriously, don't actually listen to right-wing talk radio. it's not worth the price you'll pay.

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F1areaGaman
12/30/22 11:13:54 PM
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Legend has it they stole the story from some woman.

What right wing people use it exactly...?

idk it's still my favorite movie of all time and I knew I would when I first saw it when I was young.

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Kitten
12/30/22 11:14:35 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Its kind if funny considering what it is a metaphor for.

This likely isn't true and was said way after the fact.
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Music_Rock_Cat
12/30/22 11:14:36 PM
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total recall is better

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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 11:20:16 PM
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Kitten posted...
This likely isn't true and was said way after the fact.

Likely isn't true? Both Wachowskis are trans. What do you want? Documents from 1997 stating, "By the way, this movie is a trans allegory"?

The two sisters also made a film adaptation of V for Vendetta a few years later which turned George W. Bush into Hitler. (Excuse me, Sutler. The film wasn't exactly subtle.) These weren't right-wing truth-speakers who went woke. They were always left. And while it took a while for them to go through with opening up to the world / undergoing surgery, they were both always trans lesbians. This was a subject of films of theirs going back even further than the first Matrix movie.
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IfGodCouldDie
12/30/22 11:21:07 PM
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Kitten posted...
This likely isn't true and was said way after the fact.
Said after the fact by who?

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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 11:21:52 PM
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There's a reason they didn't state it until well after the fact: society wasn't accepting until well after the film came out. Hell, a good portion of society isn't accepting of trans identity today.

It's like saying that somebody "chose" to become gay because they were once in the closet.
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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 11:23:30 PM
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Medussa
12/30/22 11:25:26 PM
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there were absolutely discussions about the trans parallels before the sequels even came out. unfortunately, the "everything on the internet is forever" axiom turned out not to apply very well to forum posts.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 11:26:33 PM
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They need to remake The Matrix so that they can switch which pill is which. People won't be able to say "red pilled" if that's the false reality pill.
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Touch
12/30/22 11:27:35 PM
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But the matrix was never made...

What are you talking about? What is this...matrix?

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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 11:32:21 PM
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Medussa posted...
there were absolutely discussions about the trans parallels before the sequels even came out. unfortunately, the "everything on the internet is forever" axiom turned out not to apply very well to forum posts.

There are people who refuse to accept that Star Wars was a Vietnam War allegory when the third film straight up has forest people fighting technologically advanced invaders.
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Kitten
12/30/22 11:33:06 PM
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If it is indeed a trans allegory, so is Final Fantasy IX. Which btw, has way more evidence than the vague cherry picking in the original Matrix.
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Smashingpmkns
12/30/22 11:34:23 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
There are people who refuse to accept that Star Wars was a Vietnam War allegory when the third film straight up has forest people fighting technologically advanced invaders.
George Lucas openly stated its a Vietnam War allegory in multiple interviews.

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FortuneCookie
12/30/22 11:39:38 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
George Lucas openly stated its a Vietnam War allegory in multiple interviews.

That doesn't stop people from covering their ears and shouting, "After the fact. I can't hear you. La-la-la-la."
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IShall_Run_Amok
12/30/22 11:51:21 PM
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Kitten posted...
If it is indeed a trans allegory, so is Final Fantasy IX. Which btw, has way more evidence than the vague cherry picking in the original Matrix.
Awesome, I love FF9. Fuck conservatives.

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IfGodCouldDie
12/30/22 11:55:07 PM
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Kitten posted...
If it is indeed a trans allegory, so is Final Fantasy IX. Which btw, has way more evidence than the vague cherry picking in the original Matrix.
Not sure how FF9 and the Matrix are connected in this way, but ok?

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tsup-tsup
12/31/22 12:06:11 AM
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Great movie. Goofballs don't ruin it for me.

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Tyranthraxus
12/31/22 12:11:08 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
American History X table scene is used by nazis lol.

it is known they aren't smart.
They also use that Django Unchained scene where Leo is going over the skull.

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Kitten
12/31/22 1:45:03 AM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Not sure how FF9 and the Matrix are connected in this way, but ok?

My point is that there's more evidence that FF9 is a trans allegory than The Matrix, and yet it still isn't.
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FortuneCookie
12/31/22 10:58:48 AM
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You don't have a point. You're simply being contrarian.
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Glob
12/31/22 11:02:39 AM
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Kitten posted...
My point is that there's more evidence that FF9 is a trans allegory than The Matrix, and yet it still isn't.

Could please present the evidence?

As far as the argument that The Matrix is a trans allegory goes, I would point out that the statements from the creators might not prove that we got a trans allegory, but it does prove that making one was their intention and that if theyd been allowed to make the film they wanted to then we definitely would have got one. Whether or not the film that we got counts as one is somewhat more debatable, but Im mostly being needlessly pedantic with that.
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IfGodCouldDie
12/31/22 11:08:32 AM
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Kitten posted...
My point is that there's more evidence that FF9 is a trans allegory than The Matrix, and yet it still isn't.
What evidence is that?

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MaxEffingBemis
12/31/22 11:12:47 AM
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Kitten posted...
My point is that there's more evidence that FF9 is a trans allegory than The Matrix, and yet it still isn't.
Why do you even insist on continuing to argue about this? What is your end goal here?

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ZangsBeard
12/31/22 11:15:00 AM
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Ahh Kitten is arguing that they know something better than the actual creators. Gotta love it.

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Zikten
12/31/22 11:18:42 AM
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I've seen people wonder if the Matrix is real for 20 years. But until Andrew Tate, I didn't know it had anything to do with politics. I don't think every Matrix person is alt right. Just the ones who think Andrew Tate is Neo

It's been a theory for decades that our entire universe is a simulation
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FortuneCookie
12/31/22 11:42:53 AM
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Zikten posted...
I've seen people wonder if the Matrix is real for 20 years. But until Andrew Tate, I didn't know it had anything to do with politics. I don't think every Matrix person is alt right. Just the ones who think Andrew Tate is Neo

It's been a theory for decades that our entire universe is a simulation

There have always been paranoid people who latch onto these things. When The Truman Show came out, there were people who thought that was happening to them as well.

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Glob
01/01/23 4:26:28 AM
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Zikten posted...
I've seen people wonder if the Matrix is real for 20 years. But until Andrew Tate, I didn't know it had anything to do with politics. I don't think every Matrix person is alt right. Just the ones who think Andrew Tate is Neo

It's been a theory for decades that our entire universe is a simulation

It wasnt a new idea at the time. It wasnt exactly new when Descartes suggested it.
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Senta
01/01/23 5:18:42 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
There have always been paranoid people who latch onto these things. When The Truman Show came out, there were people who thought that was happening to them as well.

<_<

Man, that is crazy. As I'm sitting here posting from my wonderful Android Phone, available at all reputable device centers, im so glad you arent one of those people to think such a silly thing. Keep being you, you.

By the by, what are you posting from, friend?

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PballDepot
01/01/23 5:56:05 AM
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F1areaGaman posted...
What right wing people use it exactly...?

Zikten posted...
I've seen people wonder if the Matrix is real for 20 years. But until Andrew Tate, I didn't know it had anything to do with politics.

the term "red pilled" was coopted by misogynistic trash that tend to lean right long before Tate came around, pretty common knowledge

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Heineken14
01/01/23 6:22:26 AM
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Medussa posted...
i'm convinced they do it on purpose. take art made by people who they know don't agree with them, and twist it to use against them.

seriously, go listen to right-wing talk radio for a couple days, and pay attention to what music they use.

more seriously, don't actually listen to right-wing talk radio. it's not worth the price you'll pay.


Nah, they are just that fucking clueless to context, subtly, and metaphors. It's why right wing comedy is so fucking dog shit too.

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superman_2000
01/01/23 6:34:42 AM
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tsup-tsup posted...
Great movie. Goofballs don't ruin it for me.


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Zikten
01/01/23 6:54:05 AM
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PballDepot posted...
the term "red pilled" was coopted by misogynistic trash that tend to lean right long before Tate came around, pretty common knowledge
Red pilled is different from the matrix bring real. People who say red pilled are just talking about sexist stuff. Its not about believing in the matrix. Its 2 different issues
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Fluttershy
01/01/23 7:01:18 AM
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Red pilled is different from the matrix bring real. People who say red pilled are just talking about sexist stuff. Its not about believing in the matrix. Its 2 different issues

you know, i haven't encountered many people who aren't sure if the matrix is real or not, so i'm gonna take your word on that. i wouldn't know if they were using the terms more in line with how the movie intended.

i think the horrible use - by the misogynists - is the one people generally come to expect these days, over any other.

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Dakimakura
01/01/23 7:17:04 AM
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Red pill started as a means to mock people like that. But in their utter incompetence they took the meme used to mock them as their mantra. It isnt that they think the movie is real but rather they are now aware of the grand scheme against them. Or woke as they like to say about liberals.

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Cheetaluv
01/01/23 7:22:20 AM
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Politics always gotta ruin things.

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IfGodCouldDie
01/01/23 11:46:25 AM
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Dakimakura posted...
Red pill started as a means to mock people like that. But in their utter incompetence they took the meme used to mock them as their mantra. It isnt that they think the movie is real but rather they are now aware of the grand scheme against them. Or woke as they like to say about liberals.
The funniest thing about this is that red pilled and woke should be meaning the same fucking thing lol

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Kitten
01/01/23 8:10:00 PM
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-Garnet is her/his deadname
-Dagger cuts her/his hair to suit more of the male gender
-Dagger spends most of the game being uncomfortable with male advances, particularly Zidane
-During Dagger's transition, he/she goes through a deep depression where mentioning the deadname turns him/her away

There's also Quina, who is flat out supposed to be gender ambiguous. Garnet must travel "through the swamp and tunnel", in order to get to the light on the other side. Which brings Garnet to the tree of life, which brings the motivation to assume the true identity of Dagger. Quina's marshlands is a metaphor for the confusing and sometimes dark transition period that brings light and life on the other side.

The game also centers around the theme of identity crisis, where Zidane and Kuja suffer from not being able to identify with themselves. Kuja in particular, who may have more obviously been a symbol of transgenderism. Freya as well, who was the only female in her army and never felt like she was a woman but rather a man, which was made more exposed when Freya's BF left her.
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Flauros
01/01/23 8:12:30 PM
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I like the matrix for the cool guns and fight scenes. I dont look any deeper into it than that.

Same with John Wick.

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KeeperOfShadows
01/01/23 9:19:45 PM
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Kitten posted...
-Garnet is her/his deadname
-Dagger cuts her/his hair to suit more of the male gender
-Dagger spends most of the game being uncomfortable with male advances, particularly Zidane
-During Dagger's transition, he/she goes through a deep depression where mentioning the deadname turns him/her away

There's also Quina, who is flat out supposed to be gender ambiguous. Garnet must travel "through the swamp and tunnel", in order to get to the light on the other side. Which brings Garnet to the tree of life, which brings the motivation to assume the true identity of Dagger. Quina's marshlands is a metaphor for the confusing and sometimes dark transition period that brings light and life on the other side.

The game also centers around the theme of identity crisis, where Zidane and Kuja suffer from not being able to identify with themselves. Kuja in particular, who may have more obviously been a symbol of transgenderism. Freya as well, who was the only female in her army and never felt like she was a woman but rather a man, which was made more exposed when Freya's BF left her.
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