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deathproof12
12/30/22 1:30:57 PM
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Basically unkillable. Magic, melee and ranged all do nothing. Damage is a lil low but who cares if the damage isn't the best when you are indestructible, can outlast everything while doing enough damage.
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lilORANG
12/30/22 1:40:15 PM
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Yeah. I remember those days. One of the final spells in that line like makes you partially incorporeal so physical attacks just pass through you lol.

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UnfairRepresent
12/30/22 1:42:05 PM
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Whats cute is that Mages are OP in the lore so it's fitting XD

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apocalyptic_4
12/30/22 1:44:21 PM
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Yea mage builds are fun and broken in the dragon age series I can't play another role without immediately switching to a mage.

On my last origins mage build I was able to completely de buff the final boss and deal enough damage to kill him within a minute almost.

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ANort175
12/30/22 1:52:33 PM
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Mage in general is just gross in that game, unless you put friendly fire on, since that really limits how much you can spam those huge AoE spells once you've already started a fight. Still doesn't stop you from Inferno'ing a group from the other side of a closed door though, always loved doing that.

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Irony
12/30/22 1:53:29 PM
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Arcane Warrior is the weakest mage build

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Biofighter55
12/30/22 1:53:41 PM
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Combine it with blood mage and it gets fun lol

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UnholyMudcrab
12/30/22 2:11:56 PM
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Now slap blood mage on it.

Hell, Blood Wound alone makes blood mage the most OP thing in the game

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wackyteen
12/30/22 2:13:58 PM
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If you want sheer damage, Archer in Awakening basically has guaranteed crits (with the right Bow, and I think you can buy it) and one or two shots everything. Combine that with Scattershot and they're dead before they can do much

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whetstone314
12/30/22 2:19:25 PM
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I fooled around with different rogue builds on my one playthrough where I did everything. I remember on the final DLC i decided to respecc into just enough strength to wear the sentinel armor on my rogue, and dumped everything else into dex, I didn't really care if damage potential was higher with stre or cunning.

I tell you what, I don't think my rogue got hit my a melee or ranged attack for the entire dlc. It was like I had reached some breaking point where my defense was so high that I became ultra instinct.
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UnfairRepresent
12/30/22 3:10:30 PM
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Biofighter55 posted...
Combine it with blood mage and it gets fun lol
You know what pisses me off so much

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR THE WHOLE SERIES!

The Dragon Age DLC that reviews lyrium is blood and therefore all mages have been doing blood magic the entire time.

They drop that bombshell revelation and then nobody cares or comments about it...

WTF Bioware?

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garan
12/30/22 3:13:04 PM
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wackyteen posted...
If you want sheer damage, Archer in Awakening basically has guaranteed crits (with the right Bow, and I think you can buy it) and one or two shots everything. Combine that with Scattershot and they're dead before they can do much


Sure, but that's only in the expansion-- archers aren't that good in the base game.
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wackyteen
12/30/22 3:15:23 PM
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garan posted...
Sure, but that's only in the expansion-- archers aren't that good in the base game.
Archers do what they're supposed to do, crowd control.

And if you don't want to use Leliana or Zev, the Warden has to pick up the slack.

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garan
12/30/22 3:22:29 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Archers do what they're supposed to do, crowd control.

And if you don't want to use Leliana or Zev, the Warden has to pick up the slack.


A) Mages do better crowd control. And since when are archers about crowd control anyway?

B) Double dagger cunning build rogue for the Warden is the way to go in Origins. So much DPS.
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Irony
12/30/22 3:25:30 PM
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The best party you can have is 3 mages and a tank.


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wackyteen
12/30/22 3:25:42 PM
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garan posted...


A) Mages do better crowd control. And since when are archers about crowd control anyway?

Since Scattershot, Pinning Shot, Crippling Shot, the shot that can knock down enemies.

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Biofighter55
12/30/22 3:32:20 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
You know what pisses me off so much

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR THE WHOLE SERIES!

The Dragon Age DLC that reviews lyrium is blood and therefore all mages have been doing blood magic the entire time.

They drop that bombshell revelation and then nobody cares or comments about it...

WTF Bioware?

holy shit that never occurred to me until now!!
youre right, its basically blood magic

than again lore wise, lyrium basically augments their powers, but yes I see your point

I wonder if thats why its easier to do spells with your own blood

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DrizztLink
12/30/22 3:32:36 PM
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garan posted...
B) Double dagger cunning build rogue for the Warden is the way to go in Origins. So much DPS.
My first time playing through the whole series was an unbroken string of dagger Assassins.

It ain't flashy but it's great.

At least it isn't flashy until you get the "backstab Fireball" in Awakening.

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garan
12/30/22 3:32:40 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Since Scattershot, Pinning Shot, Crippling Shot, the shot that can knock down enemies.


Yes, I'm aware they have some crowd control powers in the game-- but archers are typically about ranged DPS, which they fail at in DAO.
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UnfairRepresent
12/30/22 3:40:44 PM
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Biofighter55 posted...
holy shit that never occurred to me until now!!
youre right, its basically blood magic

than again lore wise, lyrium basically augments their powers, but yes I see your point

I wonder if thats why its easier to do spells with your own blood
In canon blood magic augements your magic with blood.

Blood Magic isn't actually unique spells. It's just "bad" magic the circle disagrees with and you can cast any "Blood" spell using Lyrium since iti s blood.

For example in the Redcliffe quest you need to use blood to be powerful enough to enter Connor's mind. They need to either use human blood or a big pile of lyirum....aka blood.

It's the same thing! The entire cycle is blood mages! The Stigma against it is bullshit.

This is a huge revelation

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Irony
12/30/22 3:41:40 PM
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The thing about archer crowd control is that it's massively inferior to blood magic crowd control

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Biofighter55
12/30/22 3:43:10 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
In canon blood magic augements your magic with blood.

Blood Magic isn't actually unique spells. It's just "bad" magic the circle disagrees with and you can cast any "Blood" spell using Lyrium since iti s blood.

For example in the Redcliffe quest you need to use blood to be powerful enough to enter Connor's mind. They need to either use human blood or a big pile of lyirum....aka blood.

It's the same thing! The entire cycle is blood mages! The Stigma against it is bullshit.

This is a huge revelation

either a lot of lyrium or one person, thats weird lol

still I wonder if BioWare will realized that

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garan
12/30/22 3:43:40 PM
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Actually, there are plenty of unique Blood Magic spells, both per the gameplay and the lore. Mind control magic is specifically stated to be something that can only be done via Blood Magic.
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Biofighter55
12/30/22 3:44:46 PM
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garan posted...
Actually, there are plenty of unique Blood Magic spells, both per the gameplay and the lore. Mind control magic is specifically stated to be something that can only be done via Blood Magic.

Summoning demons as well right?

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UnfairRepresent
12/30/22 3:53:42 PM
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garan posted...
Actually, there are plenty of unique Blood Magic spells, both per the gameplay and the lore. Mind control magic is specifically stated to be something that can only be done via Blood Magic.
I don't think this is true

It's just that people who "Practice Blood Magic" tend to do it. Same as "You can only learn blood magic from Demons" which is complete bullshit

The Circle just calls all magic they don't approve of as blood magic.

Think about it, if Lyrium is blood then any properity you can do with blood, you can do with lyirum. Morrigan even references this when talking about the sex ritual. "Some might call it blood magic."

She's not slicing your chest as she fucks you. It's just a "dark" spell.

Sort of like if in Harry Potter they have the 3 "forbidden curses" and Hogwarts called them "Blood Magic."

Actually any fucker can do it, it's just frowned upon.

Also not sure if it's "canon" or not but you can flat out buy a blood magic manual in a pub in Awakening.

Basically blood for mages it's like Kaioken in DBZ. And since Lyrium is blood... They're ALL blood mages

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DoesntMatter
12/30/22 3:57:26 PM
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good. now combine it with Blood Mage and be double OP. then play Awakening and combine those with Battlemage and be TRIPLE OP.

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ParanoidObsessive
12/30/22 4:27:10 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Whats cute is that Mages are OP in the lore so it's fitting XD

Even more so when you realize you are effectively wielding magical arts lost to time, learned from the ghost of a long dead ancient elf, from an era when magic was supreme in the world.

It should be badass - you're canonically the only person in the world who can do it (unless you teach it to your allies), and you had to do some crazy stuff to learn it. You are the snowiest of OC Donut Steel snowflakes.

At least until Inquisition went and ruined it by making it (sort of) one of the Mage specializations (Knight-Enchanter is basically supposed to be a modern version of the Arcane Warrior).



UnfairRepresent posted...
It's the same thing! The entire cycle is blood mages! The Stigma against it is bullshit.

To be fair, the stigma against it is mostly rooted in the idea that blood mages tend to be more vulnerable to demonic influence and possession, so blood mages have a radically higher chance of turning into Abominations, which pretty much everyone has a vested interest in preventing.

But if anything DA2 kind of presents the idea (in multiple ways at multiple times) that it's entirely possible that blood mages are only more inclined to turn demonic because they're hunted for being blood mages, thus turning the whole thing into a Catch-22 loop. ie, if you didn't oppress them, they wouldn't be as much of a threat in the first place. They turn to demons because they're hunted.

The other reason for the stigma is because blood mages who get into the habit of sacrificing tend to lose any sanctity of life, even if just through simple desensitization (ie, Tevinter mages who sacrifice slaves on the regular, mages like Avernus starting out justifying his sacrifices as "necessary"). Which in turn simultaneously makes blood mages MORE likely to sacrifice people, and powerful enough so that no one else can stop them from doing so. So people who don't want to get blood sacrificed are going to have a really strong bias against it right from the start.

Keep in mind, though - Dragon Age is a deeply cynical and flawed setting based on the popularity of "A Song of Ice and Fire". The entire point is that pretty much everyone is wrong about everything nearly all of the time, and the great tragedy is that most of the suffering in the world stems from that fact.

And yeah, Thedas is built on hypocrisy. Hence why the Grey Wardens are literally created via blood magic, but everyone is mostly cool with it because it's preferable to dying to a Blight.



UnfairRepresent posted...
Morrigan even references this when talking about the sex ritual. "Some might call it blood magic."

She's not slicing your chest as she fucks you. It's just a "dark" spell.

Actually, that can get really interesting if you think about it.

She's a virgin. When you fuck her, there is almost certainly blood involved.

Plus, it only works with a new Grey Warden recruit. And as established, there was blood magic involved in your creation. So whether you, Alistair, or the other Warden option have sex with her, the seed you're planting is itself the product of and influenced by blood magic right from the get go.



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Also not sure if it's "canon" or not but you can flat out buy a blood magic manual in a pub in Awakening.

That's mostly a game mechanic to help keep specializations available to players who didn't unlock them in the main game. Same reason why you can buy a ton of rare or unique artifacts in random shops in town. It's mostly just to keep them available to the player even if you didn't manage to pick them up in the main game.

It's worth noting that, in the main game, the only way to learn blood magic is to essentially sacrifice the soul of an innocent boy to a demon to teach it to you (or to metagame and save-scum so you can get the power without the sacrifice). So that actually justifies the lore.

Meanwhile, the other blood-related unlock (Reaver) also requires some heinous actions to acquire.

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Ivynn
12/30/22 4:29:55 PM
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Most broken and fun class. Glad they never nerfed it like Knight Enchanter in DAI.

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whetstone314
12/30/22 4:50:16 PM
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garan posted...
B) Double dagger cunning build rogue for the Warden is the way to go in Origins. So much DPS.

I still never understood why people say this. I found that many bosses were immune to the backstab, and I found that any enemies that aren't will turn their attention to the damaging rogue pretty quickly. I don't recall regaining aggro with the warrior being very easy in that game, but I also would say I wasn't always very good at video games back at the time that I played this game.
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UnfairRepresent
12/30/22 4:59:53 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...


Actually, that can get really interesting if you think about it.

She's a virgin. When you fuck her, there is almost certainly blood involved.
Bruh

ParanoidObsessive posted...


Keep in mind, though - Dragon Age is a deeply cynical and flawed setting based on the popularity of "A Song of Ice and Fire".
I'd say it's more LOTR inspired. Dragon Age is pretty clean and traditional despite touching on some dark aspects here and there.

ParanoidObsessive posted...


That's mostly a game mechanic to help keep specializations available to players who didn't unlock them in the main game. Same reason why you can buy a ton of rare or unique artifacts in random shops in town. It's mostly just to keep them available to the player even if you didn't manage to pick them up in the main game.

It's worth noting that, in the main game, the only way to learn blood magic is to essentially sacrifice the soul of an innocent boy to a demon to teach it to you (or to metagame and save-scum so you can get the power without the sacrifice). So that actually justifies the lore.

Meanwhile, the other blood-related unlock (Reaver) also requires some heinous actions to acquire.
Sure I can see that either way

But I'd argue that "only demons can teach blood magic, now drink your lyrium" is a an in universe myth and the "blood magic" demons teach you is just non circle spells.

For example the Circle can't teach you Morrigan's shapeshifting and I bet they would call it "Blood Magic" if asked.

It doesn't make sense to me that blood has unique properties compared to Lyrium and Lyrium is blood. Both statements can't be true

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DrizztLink
12/30/22 5:04:27 PM
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whetstone314 posted...
any enemies that aren't will turn their attention to the damaging rogue pretty quickly.
If they're living long enough to react you're not backstabbing correctly.

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Ivynn
12/30/22 5:05:50 PM
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Remember that special move you can unlock for Assassin that was basically Flash Step?

That was crazy fun.

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garan
12/30/22 5:11:47 PM
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whetstone314 posted...
I still never understood why people say this. I found that many bosses were immune to the backstab, and I found that any enemies that aren't will turn their attention to the damaging rogue pretty quickly. I don't recall regaining aggro with the warrior being very easy in that game, but I also would say I wasn't always very good at video games back at the time that I played this game.


Even if something is immune to backstab-- your cunning is so high that you're penetrating all of their armor, meaning you're doing that much more damage. And double daggers attack faster than other weapons, meaning even more DPS.

Not to mention the assassin abilities that allow you to to crank DPS up to insane levels. And with cunning, you take Bard to kick on a song with enormous buffs to make your DPS even better.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/30/22 5:36:40 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'd say it's more LOTR inspired. Dragon Age is pretty clean and traditional despite touching on some dark aspects here and there.

It's not. The devs have literally said ASoIaF was the main influence.

It's a very dark and cynical universe. It's why so many of the origins pretty much consist of introducing you to your life and a bunch of people, and then murdering the fuck out of most of them (or worse). It's also why even the "happy" endings tend to not be all that happy. The massive success of ASoIaF (long before the Game of Thrones TV show) led to a HUGE boost in "dark fantasy" imitators and influences, and Dragon Age was absolutely riding that wave (as it was BioWare's attempt to craft an original setting to replace their lost D&D rights, in the same way that Mass Effect basically happened because they wanted their own version of KotOR).

If you're seeing LotR influences, it's mostly because those are just standard fantasy tropes at this point. And possibly because ASoIaF was itself influenced by LotR in a lot of ways (as George RR Martin has mentioned multiple times).



UnfairRepresent posted...
It doesn't make sense to me that blood has unique properties compared to Lyrium and Lyrium is blood. Both statements can't be true

They absolutely can. Because they're two different types of blood.

It's like the difference between ordinary dragons and Old Gods/Archdemons. Archdemons aren't just powerful dragons. They're a higher order of entity entirely, with unique aspects to their nature. Even if, at face value, they seem like pretty much the same thing, they're not.

It's sort of similar to how many vampire stories imply there's a significant difference between human blood and animal blood.

Lyrium is the "blood" of ancient, primordial beings. It's not really on the same level with the blood you get from stabbing a peasant farmer or Tevinter slave.

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UnfairRepresent
12/30/22 5:40:51 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...


They absolutely can. Because they're two different types of blood.

It's like the difference between ordinary dragons and Old Gods/Archdemons. Archdemons aren't just powerful dragons. They're a higher order of entity entirely, with unique aspects to their nature. Even if, at face value, they seem like pretty much the same thing, they're not.

It's sort of similar to how many vampire stories imply there's a significant difference between human blood and animal blood.

Lyrium is the "blood" of ancient, primordial beings. It's not really on the same level with the blood you get from stabbing a peasant farmer or Tevinter slave.
Then how come the ritual in redcliffe can be done using human blood or lyrium?

The "blood" is just a power up. And since Lyrium is blood it does the job.

There is no point in any of the 3 games where it is implied there's any difference between Elf, human or Qunari blood.

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deathproof12
12/30/22 7:23:41 PM
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Irony posted...
Arcane Warrior is the weakest mage build
yeah we all know shapeshifter is the strongest mage build
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Irony
12/30/22 9:19:14 PM
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2nd weakest

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