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divot1338 posted...

So first you preheat the cabin to release the charge lid latch so that it will open after freezing shut.

Then assuming were accepting Musks word that there are no issues why did it not charge at all in over three hours for this guy?

https://insideevs.com/news/628558/tesla-model-s-cold-charging-issue/amp/

According to all of you it just needs to heat it up and then it will charge (albeit at a slower rate if not preconditioned).

And Tesla swapped out his car so clearly they think somethings wrong.

this was a good35 degrees colder than the Texas storm
Its not that I dont understand batteries. Its that I dont understand why you blindly accept that excuse from a known liar in spite of evidence to the contrary.

This is where it helps to actually read what you're posting.

From your article: He doesnt mention what model year his vehicle is, but it's most likely a problem with his vehicle, not something general that could affect any Model S.

If the car doesn't heat up the battery sufficiently after multiple hours of preconditioning, there may be something wrong with the vehicle itself, indeed, which is why they're going to diagnose it. The problem in this situation was that preconditioning wasn't working on his vehicle. Or it was working very poorly in that it took about 48 hours for it to start charging slowly.

Also, Tesla towing his car in to get it diagnosed would specifically mean the opposite of "Musk says there are no issues."

It has been repeatedly explained to you that extreme cold affects all batteries, but you're repeatedly trying to insist it's only a problem with Tesla batteries for some weird reason. If you understand batteries, you wouldn't be acting like extreme cold is a problem specific to one battery manufacturer.

Again, extreme cold affects batteries regardless of who makes them.

CableZL posted...

This is where it helps to actually read what you're posting.

From your article: He doesnt mention what model year his vehicle is, but it's most likely a problem with his vehicle, not something general that could affect any Model S.

If the car doesn't heat up the battery sufficiently after multiple hours of preconditioning, there may be something wrong with the vehicle itself, indeed, which is why they're going to diagnose it. The problem in this situation was that preconditioning wasn't working on his vehicle. Or it was working very poorly in that it took about 48 hours for it to start charging slowly.

Also, Tesla towing his car in to get it diagnosed would specifically mean the opposite of "Musk says there are no issues."

It has been repeatedly explained to you that extreme cold affects all batteries, but you're repeatedly trying to insist it's only a problem with Tesla batteries for some weird reason. If you understand batteries, you wouldn't be acting like extreme cold is a problem specific to one battery manufacturer.

Again, extreme cold affects batteries regardless of who makes them.

Im saying it affects Tesla the company because they appear to do little or no testing. Not their batteries. Assuming you can get whatever theyre connected to turn on of course.

When your EVs charging lid latch will freeze over in an winter storm for anywhere except California and Texas thats not great.

As to the model year I again point out that Tesla knowing precisely what that information decided to replace his car to figure out the defect. Bottom line when you later multiple critical failures for the recharging system like this in what is a life threathening storm people are in danger.

Now if you insist on pretending Im criticizing their batteries dont bother. Im criticizing the company and the blind eye they cast on eliminating serious flaws with their cars that endanger everyone on the road.

divot1338 posted...

Im saying it affects Tesla the company because they appear to do little or no testing. Not their batteries. Assuming you can get whatever theyre connected to turn on of course.

When your EVs charging lid latch will freeze over in an winter storm for anywhere except California and Texas thats not great.

Maybe you don't know how ice works, but Tesla isn't the only EV where the charging lid latch can freeze over. If you have a car outside when there is a bunch of sleet/freezing rain/snow/ice/etc., door handles can freeze over, trunk lids can freeze over, windshields can freeze over, etc. During the Texas freeze last year, I had a solid block of ice around the front bumper area of my car.

divot1338 posted...

As to the model year I again point out that Tesla knowing precisely what that information decided to replace his car to figure out the defect. Bottom line when you later multiple critical failures for the recharging system like this in what is a life threathening storm people are in danger.

They didn't replace his car. They gave him a Model 3 as a loaner while they looked at his Model S. Again, you should actually read what you're posting.

divot1338 posted...

Now if you insist on pretending Im criticizing their batteries dont bother. Im criticizing the company and the blind eye they cast on eliminating serious flaws with their cars that endanger everyone on the road.

You've repeatedly posted ITT about a Tesla not charging in extreme cold, then proceeded to ignore any comments about the lack of preconditioning happening in that example just to continue to bring that example up as if Tesla is the only EV manufacturer with that problem. You also ignored a real-world anecdote about a Chevy Bolt having a similar problem.

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divot1338 posted...

Its Teslas fault that their cars have a flaw that prevents them from charging in extreme cold.

After it is explained that it's likely a preconditioning issue...

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divot1338 posted...

Except that in Teslas case it just doesnt charge period.

You're then given another explanation about preconditioning for EVs in general as well as an example of it happening with a Chevy Bolt. It's not exclusive to Tesla at all.

Then you made post #97:

divot1338 posted...

Cool. I understand what youre saying.

However, thats not the same thing as a design flaw where it just completely fails in the extreme cold.

You're repeatedly displaying that you don't actually understand how batteries work. It's physics.

• If your cell phone battery gets too cold, it won't charge, regardless of manufacturer.
• If your EV battery gets too cold, it won't charge, regardless of manufacturer.
• EVs have built-in warming functions to heat the battery so that it will be able to charge better in cold weather.
• All batteries have documented optimal performance temperature ranges. If they fall outside of those ranges, you may experience issues with range/battery life/charging. Which, again, is the reason why EV manufacturers include technology in their cars to condition the batteries.

Also, your suggestion that only Tesla vehicles have charging lids that can freeze over is laughable at best. Maybe you haven't actually lived snow/sleet/icy conditions at all, but everyone who lives in those conditions, whether it's common to the area or not, has to deal with ice/snow removal in some form or fashion no matter what kind of car they have.

You fool! You know nothing of EV batteries. Hahahhahahahahha!

Dude we get it. You bought a Tesla and like anyone who has fallen victim to a scam youre hesitant to acknowledge that you bought something that was mostly hype. Until the problems affect you directly.

For your sake I hope it doesnt actually hurt you or anyone else when that does happen.

divot1338 posted...

Dude we get it. You bought a Tesla and like anyone who has fallen victim to a scam youre hesitant to acknowledge that you bought something that was mostly hype. Until the problems affect you directly.

For your sake I hope it doesnt actually hurt you or anyone else when that does happen.

I bought exactly what I wanted as my dream car, but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're trying to present problems with EVs in general as if only Teslas experience them and it has been explained to you repeatedly in this topic that the problems you're referencing aren't exclusive to Teslas. You're also revealing over and over that you haven't read your own source.

CableZL posted...

I bought exactly what I wanted as my dream car, but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You're trying to present problems with EVs in general as if only Teslas experience them and it has been explained to you repeatedly in this topic that the problems you're referencing aren't exclusive to Teslas. You're also revealing over and over that you haven't read your own source.

The one I included for the first time in one of my last posts?

Seek help man.

divot1338 posted...

The one I included for the first time in one of my last posts?

Seek help man.

Yes, as I've explained to you, you don't even seem to understand the details around what you're posting. You kept saying they replaced his car when that's not what happened. If you did actually read it and you came away with the conclusion that they replaced his car, maybe you should seek help with reading comprehension.

GMs Bolts explode spontaneously enough to have a warning not to park near buildings, a total recall, and theyre forced to stop production/sales for over a year - We sleep zzz

Mustang Mach E has a recall on half of all cars ever made because you lose the ability to steer when amateurish engineering flaws overheat components - We sleep zzz

Toyota recalls every EV they ever made and stops production because the wheels literally fall off the car. - We sleep zzz

Tesla door handles/ports arent immune to how ice works on modern aero car designs - 100s of articles about a tweet showing the phenomenon.

Tesla has a software update over the air to fix certain models having their displays not at full 60 fps - Headlines about Tesla recalling millions of cars.

Other auto companies arent heroes of quality control, youre just being played for clicks. Elon is a dumb clown but he isnt one of the engineers. Hes a mascot that needs to be dumped.

Krojen posted...

GMs Bolts explode spontaneously enough to have a warning not to park near buildings, a total recall, and theyre forced to stop production/sales for over a year - We sleep zzz

Mustang Mach E has a recall on half of all cars ever made because you lose the ability to steer when amateurish engineering flaws overheat components - We sleep zzz

Toyota recalls every EV they ever made and stops production because the wheels literally fall off the car. - We sleep zzz

Tesla door handles/ports arent immune to how ice works on modern aero car designs - 100s of articles about a tweet showing the phenomenon.

Tesla has a software update over the air to fix certain models having their displays not at full 60 fps - Headlines about Tesla recalling millions of cars.

Other auto companies arent heroes of quality control, youre just being played for clicks. Elon is a dumb clown but he isnt one of the engineers. Hes a mascot that needs to be dumped.

Those other companies also don't have a massively overvalued stock with Tesla bagholders trying to twist into a pretzel to defend why the overvalued stock they bought isn't worth the current value it has.

Krojen posted...

GMs Bolts explode spontaneously enough to have a warning not to park near buildings, a total recall, and theyre forced to stop production/sales for over a year - We sleep zzz

Mustang Mach E has a recall on half of all cars ever made because you lose the ability to steer when amateurish engineering flaws overheat components - We sleep zzz

Toyota recalls every EV they ever made and stops production because the wheels literally fall off the car. - We sleep zzz

Tesla door handles/ports arent immune to how ice works on modern aero car designs - 100s of articles about a tweet showing the phenomenon.

Tesla has a software update over the air to fix certain models having their displays not at full 60 fps - Headlines about Tesla recalling millions of cars.

Other auto companies arent heroes of quality control, youre just being played for clicks. Elon is a dumb clown but he isnt one of the engineers. Hes a mascot that needs to be dumped.

another Musk fanboy.

teslas had issues for ages. Big issues as in theyre driving passengers to their deaths.

Uta posted...

Go on then. Elucidate us. If you're going to call me out, at least have the decency to provide literally anything as a counter claim. Otherwise, all you're saying is "You're wrong". To which I say, "No you."

If you don't understand the benefit of fast internet in areas without fibre available, at this point you are just wilfully ignorant and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise since you are simply biased. You didn't reason yourself into this opinion so you cannot be reasoned out of it.

Krojen posted...

Elon is a dumb clown but he isnt one of the engineers. Hes a mascot that needs to be dumped.

funny, the whole theranos situation could
have been defended with the same argument.

but no, both Holmes and Musk were instrumental on delivering promises that couldnt be kept, promised they set themselves.

RyukSan posted...

Those other companies also don't have a massively overvalued stock with Tesla bagholders trying to twist into a pretzel to defend why the overvalued stock they bought isn't worth the current value it has.

Sure they do, the other auto company stocks are down 50-60% this year too. Everything about them sucks, which is why they run so many ads and paid articles to hype up their distant future fluff projects and are trying to spin off their failures at making EVs into separate companies. Tesla being bad/overvalued does not mean other autos are good/undervalued.

Tesla's got a lower FPE than Pepsi so I'm curious to see your DCF for why you believe it's massively overvalued. I haven't bought the stock since 2019 and still wouldn't today, but that's more to do with my hatred for Musk and there being so many other opportunities in this market than it is me thinking Tesla is still massively overvalued.

Other american car stocks are but fiat chrysler and toyota are not. Tesla also down about 75% more than gmc and ford (70 vs 45). Because there are zero fundamentals that determine tesla stock. Its all growth expectations.

Also why are u singling out dcf as the stock valuation of choice lol, you referenced multiples analysis above. Or are you just throwing out words you read somewhere

Naysaspace posted...

Other american car stocks are but fiat chrysler and toyota are not. Tesla also down about 75% more than gmc and ford (70 vs 45). Because there are zero fundamentals that determine tesla stock. Its all growth expectations.

Also why are u singling out dcf as the stock valuation of choice lol, you referenced multiples analysis above. Or are you just throwing out words you read somewhere

And Tesla is an American company.
Toyota is down 35% from peak and that bubble is just starting to pop.
Ford is down 55% from peak
GMC is down 50% from peak

Then you remember Tesla is that much down after a massive run up and is in the middle of one of the worst public meltdowns from a CEO ever. The others are crashing that hard after already being down/flat for many years in a raging bull market. They're just awful companies.

Tesla has plenty of fundamentals, it isn't 2018 anymore. The PE isn't infinite, it's in the 30s now.

Just to see what personal assumptions we're dealing with. DCFs are worthless on their own for anything else and I referenced multiples to show how much things have changed.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

If you don't understand the benefit of fast internet in areas without fibre available, at this point you are just wilfully ignorant and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise since you are simply biased. You didn't reason yourself into this opinion so you cannot be reasoned out of it.

So you started by saying nothing, and then you present nothing in return. You're boring. I never said I was against fast internet. I said that an LEO Constellation does not resolve the problem of people not having internet. Come back when you've got something or kindly fuck off.

Krojen posted...

Sure they do, the other auto company stocks are down 50-60% this year too. Everything about them sucks, which is why they run so many ads and paid articles to hype up their distant future fluff projects and are trying to spin off their failures at making EVs into separate companies. Tesla being bad/overvalued does not mean other autos are good/undervalued.

Tesla's got a lower FPE than Pepsi so I'm curious to see your DCF for why you believe it's massively overvalued. I haven't bought the stock since 2019 and still wouldn't today, but that's more to do with my hatred for Musk and there being so many other opportunities in this market than it is me thinking Tesla is still massively overvalued.

My post doesnt remotely claim this.

Tesla is massively overvalued and it's more egregious than the others in its valuation.

Pointing this out doesn't all of a sudden mean I'm backing other stocks that could be overvalued.

I'm talking directly about the meme stock Tesla that has bagholders trying to convince everyone its not that overvalued or that people should buy the dip.

RyukSan posted...

My post doesnt remotely claim this.

Tesla is massively overvalued and it's more egregious than the others in its valuation.

Pointing this out doesn't all of a sudden mean I'm backing other stocks that could be overvalued.

I'm talking directly about the meme stock Tesla that has bagholders trying to convince everyone its not that overvalued or that people should buy the dip.

So by "Those other companies also don't have a massively overvalued stock" you meant those other companies could also be massively overvalued, just not like Tesla, got it.

It's down 70% and you think it's still massively overvalued to an egregious degree. What is your reasoning for why it's still so overvalued?

The billions Tesla generates in this environment on 50% growth and a large moat doesn't seem egregiously overvalued at a dull 30 PE. In fact they don't have to maintain any of their current pace at this valuation. They just really need to give Elon the boot, he's been a major drag on the company for a couple years now.

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