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SwayM posted...

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Women jumping on a trend of housework / errands / general things they wont do because thats their husbands job.

Funny how we dont learn a damn thing

Men stop saying shit like cooking and cleaning is a womans job and they turn around and adopt the same Shitty mentalities.

Conveniently ignoring this post.

Just as I figured.

Refer to the diagram at the back of Dialectic of Sex for a maze in a dark location

Where was the own? I expected wreckage and got nothing. All she did was deflect at the sanctity of marriage and talk real low like she was sad.

Sure, she was right, but where was she arguing against "woke feminists"?

Edit: apparently she says some horrible stuff elsewhere. I am unaware of who she is

Still amusing how triggered people get by the term feminist. Lonely insecure man babies.

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It is though, the study says so.

Whats more, we found that marital satisfaction for both husband and wife deteriorated in step with the wifes loss of sexual desire.

Women would probably benefit from not acting like sexlessness isn't a disfunctional state of marriage. it is
Edit: Actually I'm not sure they do act like that, I think that's just a "you" thing. They end their marriages so obviously they do see it as a bad thing.

Ive seen a lot of people in this topic say shes right but . Am I watching a different video than the rest of you? Because shes not even right with her main point. Shes just using her parents bad example as a straw man?

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I thought the 80% was true?

What I agreed with her about (in this video) was not leaving a guy simply because she out earns him and I found the other woman's response to be kinda sickening.

But I think women often leave men for reasons that I would completely agree with, such as being emotionally unavailable or unsupportive or not doing their share or just not being a partner in general. Not getting into things like actual abuse or cheating or anything in this topic.

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*Raises hand*

I am so thankful that my ex wife initiated divorce proceedings.

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Youll have to forgive him. Hes allergic to showing data and statistics.

You will have to forgive me.

I dont need data and statistics to form an opinion of concrete evidence via actual real world examples.

Also why even bother presenting data when you literally just interpret that data however you see fit to fill in your narrative?

SwayM posted...

You will have to forgive me.

I dont need data and statistics to form an opinion of concrete evidence via actual real world examples.

Also why even bother presenting data when you literally just interpret that data however you see fit to fill in your narrative?

I don't even understand what you are trying to say. I see you arguing against one of the more level headed women in this thread, but you don't seem to saying anything.

YoBlazer posted...

Men don't initiate most of the divorces because they're more likely to stay with the women they cheat on. A man with a mistress will stay with his wife as long as he gets thrilling sex elsewhere - it functions like a temporary escape from his home life.

That doesnt take into account all the men staying with their wives who have had affairs, and definitely doesnt account for the women leaving men when the womans earning potential increases or their male spouses earning potential decreases.

Regarding the first point, I dont think weve seen a study that says men are cheating 70-80 percent of the time, with women thus cheating 20-30 percent. Yet women are initiating 70-80 percent of divorces and infidelity is supposedly close to even.

bsp77 posted...

I don't even understand what you are trying to say. I see you arguing against one of the more level headed women in this thread, but you don't seem to be saying anything.

Its very straightforward.

heres a thing thats literally happening right now as we speak

actually thats not happening because I refuse to acknowledge it.

why?

its not data.

And If you noticed. Im not actually replying to the person in question. This is why. Not worth my time.

SwayM posted...

Its very straightforward.

heres a thing thats literally happening right now as we speak

actually thats not happening because I refuse to acknowledge it.

why?

its not data.

And If you noticed. Im not actually replying to the person in question. This is why. Not worth my time.

But what is your point? Do you think that the vast majority of divorces occur because she suddenly makes more than him and wants to trade up? That is inane.

or how about this, don't be in a relationship for money

Video prompted me to go and have a look / read up on it, not a deep dive but I found it interesting anyway.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220511-why-women-file-for-divorce-more-than-men

I think one of the more interesting parts of that article is the mention of men benefitting from marriage more so than women, which makes it easier for women, especially those who aren't financially dependent on the man + potentially college educated to leave said partnership. That also leaves the men much worse off wellbeing wise as opposed to women. The article presents the ramifcations for men in that situation as short lived interestingly enough. I'm not too sure how I feel about that. Anecdotally, I know of more women within my social circles that thrived upon leaving long term relationships and men that contemplated suicide after losing either their partner, or partner and children.

I'm actually going to do more of a deep dive on the subject because I find it interesting.

As women's earning power increases and the lack of benefits on their end from marriage become evident, divorce is becoming more viable. On the one hand, I'm happy that women are in a situation where they earn enough to feel confident to be on their own and support themselves without a reliance on someone else. On the other hand, knowing that suicide and mental health issues are rising issues for men, I worry for the lads in the sense that their feeling of worth is going to potentially amount to nothing sooner or later.

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If I recall, suicide is actually the biggest killer of men under 45 - 50 or so in the UK which is incredibly alarming.

With the world moving / shifting towards a society where men are seen as less useful or not as necessary in multiple areas of everyday life, on top of being consistently outperformed by the ladies in higher education, I worry those rates are going to go up. How dramatically? I don't know.

I have no idea what the solution is either, a lot of men don't even come forward with their issues and see suicide as an only-option, which is likely why their success rates are much higher than women's. We know they opt-in for more lethal means as opposed to women and intent is much higher, but how on fucking earth do we deal with that as a society?

Not trying to be a miserable doomer here either, I just think this subject could link into mental health for men more than people perhaps recognise.

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No of course not, I mentioned the baseline is just her being no more sexually attracted to her husband than some other guy, I touched on this earlier. The thread's about divorce. It makes sense women would file for it more often given that they're much more likely to stop being attracted to their spouses

synklare posted...

We know they opt-in for more lethal means as opposed to women and intent is much higher, but how on fucking earth do we deal with that as a society?

Like most important issues, I don't think there's really a solution. Just hope for the best and try to make the men in your life feel wanted/noticed or something I guess.

bsp77 posted...

What I agreed with her about (in this video) was not leaving a guy simply because she out earns him and I found the other woman's response to be kinda sickening.

Well looking at the study I posted earlier, women aren't in the relationship for sex, clearly. That IS, however, most mens' aim. Well, that and intimacy in general but women can get that easily elsewhere as well. Knowing this, why tf are women marrying? What IS in it for them? Exceptions exist of course but women generally are more interested in the, ahem, "provisioning ability" of men. Did you know women become more likely to divorce if they're promoted to CEO? Even if they were already making more money than their husband. It's a deep-rooted psychological desire.

I've always found long-term relationships kind of dysfunctional/unhealthy/unnatural tbh, they're always ALWAYS transactional. It just happens that the women are seeing themselves as being on the disadvantaged end of that transaction more often than not currently.

uHasNeckHairXFD posted...

Well looking at the study I posted earlier, women aren't in the relationship for sex, clearly. That IS, however, most mens' aim. Well, that and intimacy in general but women can get that easily elsewhere as well. Knowing this, why tf are women marrying? What IS in it for them? Exceptions exist of course but women generally are more interested in the, ahem, "provisioning ability" of men. Did you know women become more likely to divorce if they're promoted to CEO? Even if they were already making more money than their husband. It's a deep-rooted psychological desire.

I have never been in relationships for sex. And why would a guy marry for sex? That's just dumb. I could simply have one night stands if that was the case. It isn't difficult. I get into a relationship because of how I feel about someone. Sex is a bonus. And I think it is the same for people I have dated. Most of my gfs have craved sex on a daily basis, much more than I do.

Edit: it is also worth pointing out that many women lose interest in sex because the man starts taking them for granted or not being a partner in various ways. So she she loses interest in sex after he loses interest in an emotional connection.

I've always found long-term relationships kind of dysfunctional/unhealthy/unnatural tbh, they're always ALWAYS transactional. It just happens that the women are seeing themselves as being on the disadvantaged end of that transaction more often than not currently.

It sounds like you need to talk to a therapist about intimacy issues, because most relationships are NOT transactional.

bsp77 posted...

I have never been in relationships for sex. And why would a guy marry for sex? That's just dumb. I could simply have one night stands if that was the case. It isn't difficult. I get into a relationship because of how I feel about someone. Sex is a bonus. And I think it is the same for people I have dated. Most of my gfs have craved sex on a daily basis, much more than I do.

Lol, very subtle bragging aside, I mentioned intimacy as well. It's really all men want out of a marriage other than a family from what I've seen.

bsp77 posted...

It sounds like you need to talk to a therapist about intimacy issues, because most relationships are NOT transactional.

Lol@ the first part.
They are from what I've seen. Aside from couples who have kids, who usually just try to stay together for their sake

uHasNeckHairXFD posted...

Lol, very subtle bragging aside, I mentioned intimacy as well. It's really all men want out of a marriage other than a family from what I've seen.

I wasn't bragging. I am giving counterexamples.

Also, women crave intimacy so much, and they often lose interest in sex due to a lack of real intimacy. I try my best to make sure I uphold my end of the bargain

Lol@ the first part.
They are from what I've seen. Aside from couples who have kids, who usually just try to stay together for their sake

That wasn't a dig, it is something you should think about it. Your view on relationships is skewed. Sure, many suck, but many and healthy and strong. And much of that is in each partner's control to not let it slip.

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You and I are very different people then.

You can point to all the data in the world but it means nothing to me until you show me actual people involved in that data. Tell me what that data actually means to families, what youve seen or how it affects you.

Its ridiculous to me youd ask about percentages and demographics of this example.

Its not cold numbers on a sheet that dont actually tell you what people are thinking or feeling.

Its literally an example of shitty behaviour that at least one person believes with enough confidence that not only does she not get checked on it. The hundreds of comments all support her and further provide examples.

Its not giving you anything if you dont even acknowledge it as a literal example right in front of you. And how big of problem it is, how wide spread it is so far removed from the simple point of

look at this shitty example of marital behaviour that wasnt acceptable from men but now women seem to be bragging about it on main.

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Youre taking one example and looking so far beyond it for context.

This isnt suggesting anything beyond what the women in the video are stating. Its not indicative of what all women believe or how they act.

It just is what it is. Its very frustrating to present something so simple, so black and white. And then immediately have someone take it so far into the weeds that they lose all semblance of the point.

I think what TC is saying is that looking at data is irrelevant because he believes that so long as a sizable group
is experiencing something, its important to discuss and take seriously.

What constitutes as sizable is subjective. And can definitely be dependent on what group were looking at. But only looking at data is harmful because you may cause a group that was small to grow into a majority if not addressed early. Its why the redpill mentality is growing in popularity. Because they are being ignored until its too late.

So simply attacking the character of the OP lady and bringing up other things shes said doesnt actually discuss anything. People believe what she is saying in the clip, so it is important to refute that specific point.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I think what TC is saying is that looking at data is irrelevant because he believes that so long as a sizable group
is experiencing something, its important to discuss and take seriously.

What constitutes as sizable is subjective. And can definitely be dependent on what group were looking at. But only looking at data is harmful because you may cause a group that was small to grow into a majority if not addressed early. Its why the redpill mentality is growing in popularity. Because they are being ignored until its too late.

So simply attacking the character of the OP lady and bringing up other things shes said doesnt actually discuss anything. People believe what she is saying in the clip, so it is important to refute that specific point.

Thank you for once again being a decent poster with his head on straight.

This sums it up perfectly