Current Events > Since release, would you say the PS5 is a failure or success?

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it doesnt seem as successful or hyped as the PS4 was

hell more people seemed to care about the Switch

Successful for Sony. Unsuccessful as a console for entertainment... Unless you haven't had a PlayStation since PlayStation 3.

One of the biggest failures out of every console released

It's been very successful, all things considered.

Massive failure (not financially).

I just can't get over there being less than 10 exclusives. Just sorta makes it hard to justify its existence.

GameGodOfAll posted...

I just can't get over there being less than 10 exclusives.

There's five.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_5-only_games

Still better off than XS, which has no exclusive games at all.

GameGodOfAll posted...

I just can't get over there being less than 10 exclusives. Just sorta makes it hard to justify its existence.

this is why i still have no interest in buying one. my PC has better hardware, so without exclusive software, why would i care?

Questionmarktarius posted...

There's five.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_5-only_games

Still better off than XS, which has no exclusive games at all.

and one is a remake.

I'd consider it a failure so far. Then again, I also consider the Xbox Series X a failure as well. They are both extensions of last gen, which is great. You're still able to play last gen games on current gen hardware. I love this. But there isn't enough released that makes me absolutely need a PS5 or an Xbox Series X. The PS5 is a glorified PS4 Pro. The Xbox Series X is a PC. I'm okay with this.

Largely a failure. While it will be a commercial success in the books its complete lack of adoption means that it will only squeak by. Despite being the new console for Sony almost everything is still viewed as a "PS4 game", which is usually very damning for a console's lifespan (the comparison would be something like Breath of the Wild where it was on both the WiiU and Switch, and how it is largely viewed as a Switch game because of that being the more powerful/modern console).

And unless companies start putting things exclusively on PS5 this will not change. Giving people a reason to buy it over the PS4 beyond "it runs PS4 games better" is going to be its only path to relevance.

Ps4 didn't start getting good exclusives, let alone games, until 2016, and that's 3 years after it was released so its still way too early to critique ps5 its only been 2 years

In terms of usability, it's basically just a PS4++ with a few exclusive games. It's undeniably a success in terms of sales at the moment, but long term sustainability should be their goal. Hard to say if the lack of games will affect that.

Not necessarily sonys fault because of supply issues but yeah it's a failure. 2 years in and still unavailable and not worth purchasing

Huge success. This is the future of gaming system Generations that aren't Nintendo. Game development is so expensive and all non Nintendo games eventually go PC they have to ensure it can get to as many people as possible.

That means ensuring the previous gen gets the games for probably 3-4 years.

Idk yet. If I had a ps5 I would be able to know if it sucks or not

Current gen has been a failure but it's largely due to the global recession, supply chain shortage, and covid.

The console itself fucking rocks and its BC enhancements make the PS4 obsolete except for 3D PSVR playback. Been re-enjoying PS4 games that now perform miles better as they ideally should've.

Anything on the PS5 just looks better so quality of life.

A lot of missteps, but there is/was way more interest and technical leaps than with the PS4. Not a lot of people were hyped in the last gen because it wasn't much of an improvement.

We've reached the stage where consoles are just like PC and mobile gaming, and don't really need generations to differentiate. Microsoft gets this, but Sony doesn't want to, so it all seems kind of half baked.

Like, things are made for Android, iOS and Windows, which are platforms. As opposed to "made for the PS5". Better hardware just gets you better performance.

GameGodOfAll posted...

Massive failure (not financially).

I just can't get over there being less than 10 exclusives. Just sorta makes it hard to justify its existence.

Well the alternative was there being lots of exclusives that people couldn't play because the PS5 was hard to get. From what I've seen, Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7 and God of War Ragnarok were originally planned to be PS5 only.

GameGodOfAll posted...

Massive failure (not financially).

I just can't get over there being less than 10 exclusives. Just sorta makes it hard to justify its existence.

Hell of a lot more exclusives than Xbox has. And I say that as someone who prefers Xbox.

Make a PS5/4/3/2/1/P/V, that runs the original physical games, and I'll buy two.

Three, if it also plays Betamax tapes.

From the outside looking in I'd say it's a success. I don't have either current gen console, but when I do hear about someone that does it's almost always a PS5 and not an XBOX. Even my friends that are super stoked about current gen XBOX don't have one and just use gamepass on the PC.

archedsoul posted...

We've reached the stage where consoles are just like PC and mobile gaming, and don't really need generations to differentiate. Microsoft gets this, but Sony doesn't want to, so it all seems kind of half baked.

Like, things are made for Android, iOS and Windows, which are platforms. As opposed to "made for the PS5". Better hardware just gets you better performance.

This isn't true at all. Hardware makes a huge difference in what games are capable of. When a game is designed around weaker hardware, then yes, better hardware means better performance for the player.

But for the developer, it affects everything. Better hardware means more assets can be on screen at once, more complex A.I. behavior and A.I. pathfinding can be created, more complex shading and lighting can be used, environments can be more reactive to player actions, the physics engine can be more robust and realistic, etc. There's a lot going on under the hood that will be helped or hindered by what the hardware can handle.

So if you have a game on multiple platforms, it has to be built around the weakest hardware. Otherwise, the weakest platform will experience all kinds of issues. Which is something we saw with Cyberpunk 2077. It was an absolute mess on PS4/Xbox One. But it was fine on PS5, Xbox Series X and high end PC's.

I'd say, this is a curious console in terms of if people will feel as much loyalty to Sony.

Especially with the moves Microsoft has made. Of the big 3 console hardware companies, Sony has the biggest hill to climb imo, as Microsoft now has a lot more power over many of the major annual releases as well as other big releases while Nintendo will always have their bread-and-butter franchises. Obviously, Sony has a few big hits, GoW and Spider-Man to name a couple, but it's becoming harder to differentiate consoles than what it was during the PS2 and PS3 era, where Sony could market it as a DVD/blu-ray player. PS4 has the benefit of major Microsoft and Nintendo missteps, but both those companies have either reversed their negative trends or have set themselves up as gaming empires.

I still think, as of now, Microsoft has some work to do in convincing people to buy over Sony as Sony is still seen as "the console," but we have seen in weeks, that Xbox has outsold Sony in units sold.

Of course, Nintendo could crash and burn again for all we know. The Switch is doing really well, but Nintendo is getting to that point where they have to start teasing a new console, especially as the technological barriers become more and more transparent.

It's one of the most useless console generations I've ever experienced. We are at the point where better graphics really ain't that big of a jump. I say this as I play Callisto Protocol and God of War Ragnarok on my base launch PS4 and (fan aside) things look fucking gorgeous.

I have legit no reason to get a PS5 in the slightest. If anything it would just to be playing my PS4 games in a better performing capacity. Sony has provided literally zero reason to get one.

NoxObscuras posted...

This isn't true at all. Hardware makes a huge difference in what games are capable of. When a game is designed around weaker hardware, then yes, better hardware means better performance for the player.

But for the developer, it affects everything. Better hardware means more assets can be on screen at once, more complex A.I. behavior and A.I. pathfinding can be created, more complex shading and lighting can be used, environments can be more reactive to player actions, the physics engine can be more robust and realistic, etc. There's a lot going on under the hood that will be helped or hindered by what the hardware can handle.

So if you have a game on multiple platforms, it has to be built around the weakest hardware. Otherwise, the weakest platform will experience all kinds of issues. Which is something we saw with Cyberpunk 2077. It was an absolute mess on PS4/Xbox One. But it was fine on PS5, Xbox Series X and high end PC's.

Games are developed on high end PCs and then optimized for lower platforms.

PC games don't really have an issue of downgrading your settings to fit your hardware, so I'm not seeing that as any type of huge barrier, especially in 2022.

Last I heard, Cyberpunk's issues were because of garbage QA.

PiOverlord posted...

The Switch is doing really well, but Nintendo is getting to that point where they have to start teasing a new console, especially as the technological barriers become more and more transparent.

Nintendo could do well by adopting a "phone" model, complete with "Compatible with Switch 3 and above" labels and such.

A failure but that was perhaps due to poor timing if anything. From the pandemic, the chip shortage, war in Ukraine, or etc.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

It's one of the most useless console generations I've ever experienced. We are at the point where better graphics really ain't that big of a jump. I say this as I play Callisto Protocol and God of War Ragnarok on my base launch PS4 and (fan aside) things look fucking gorgeous.

I have legit no reason to get a PS5 in the slightest. If anything it would just to be playing my PS4 games in a better performing capacity. Sony has provided literally zero reason to get one.

It's not even about graphics by this point because they've hit their limit in quality. Processing power is more important now.

PS5 is a more significant technological jump from the PS4 than the PS4 was to PS3 due to the improvement in framerate and minimal load times.

Overall its probably a failure, but for me its a success. I use my PS5 way more than my Switch. Now that I think about it, I dont think Ive used my Switch in over a year.

PS5 has no games.

Design failure for sure. Otherwise it's a success.

Prismsblade posted...

A failure but that was perhaps due to poor timing if anything. From the pandemic, the chip shortage, war in Ukraine, or etc.

And the fact that they had no filter on how many each person could buy. Some neckbeard bought the entire stock just to scalp them for $1,000 each and they were more than happy to sell them to him.

The Steam Deck made you sign into your existing account (had to be old to make sure you werent spamming accounts) and every person got ONE. There aren't scalpers whose garages are stacked with steam decks because you could only get one per (established) account.

So underproduction, too much demand, and unscrupulous sales methods largely played a part in why this system is underwhelming. Like other people posted, the jump in graphics really isnt necessary; graphics are fine how they are. I think its actually time to step away from graphics and start focusing on gameplay again.

https://www.androidauthority.com/how-many-ps5-sold-3192706/

It has been successful despite chip issues/covid throwing a wrench in things. Screw graphics, I am enjoying the better performance w/load times that comes with SSDs being the default standard in both the PS5 and xbox series s/x for this current generation.

Actually confuses the hell out of me that people in this day and age still put such a huge priority on exclusives (good exclusives is nice......and will also have others port begging) when the vast majority of the stuff that is coming out is third party exclusives. Whether you have a playstation, xbox, or a PC, at the end of the day most of the games played is the exact same stuff.

Yeah, I am playing native PS5 versions of PS4 games on my PS5, but said games don't run like ass like they would on a last gen console so the PS5 has been worth it.

So far the only game that came out recently that really had crap performance options was gotham knights, but even on the PC that game has ass optimization.

Hayame_Zero posted...

It's not even about graphics by this point because they've hit their limit in quality. Processing power is more important now.

PS5 is a more significant technological jump from the PS4 than the PS4 was to PS3 due to the improvement in framerate and minimal load times.

That improvement of framerate is going to go bye bye when this cross generation gap finally closes. Game developers will always use every ounce of power (or poor programming) and I guarantee we will stop seeing 60FPS performance mode in the future.

Load times is cool, yeah, but unless it's truly erroneous load times can still be quite fine on the PS4. Ghost of Tsushima is quite marvelous in how fast it loads.

Mad-Dogg posted...

Actually confuses the hell out of me that people in this day and age still put such a huge priority on exclusives

Literally the only reason for anyone to buy a console is exclusives if they have a good PC. If it's also on PC I have no reason to buy a console version of the game.

The jump from PS4 to PS5 seems minimal, gameplay-wise anyway. We're just mostly playing the same stuff with better graphics and framerates. When No Mans Sky kept selling the procedual generation, i thought devs would be taking advantage of that with tighter parameters to create massive worlds easier or at least help with dense cities.

To be honest, in recent years, I was most pleasantly surprised by Minecraft's 1.19 caves and cliffs update. The terrain generation is so good now. Its just amazing exploring the world just to see those amazing basins, bending rivers, deep canyons, lush caves and massive mountains.

https://youtu.be/akTqE5I0_ms

ellis123 posted...

Literally the only reason for anyone to buy a console is exclusives if they have a good PC. If it's also on PC I have no reason to buy a console version of the game.

I agree with this part. It makes total sense for someone who mainly games on PC to take a wait and see approach when it comes to getting a console they may never need. My post was speaking from both a console gamer's perspective and from one who just does not think the exclusives between the playstation and xbox just isn't too big a deal breaker at the moment in comparison to what it was in the PS2, og xbox, PS3, 360, and even last gen eras. Demon's souls, returnal, ratchet and clank, horizon, god of war and whatever is fine, but the main focus at the moment is the huge amount of third party games that every platform shares right now.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass about PC gaming (I do own a desktop PC, but mine is only used for browsing, posting wherever, youtube, comic/manga reading, and playing indie games that did not get a playstation or a switch port yet. Also emulators to play PS2 and below stuff), so the day 1 PS5 has been really great for me. Every single game just runs really well on the PS5 (elden ring is a little iffy, but at least on the PS5 the option to simply play the PS4 version on the PS5 so it can push it to as high as it could go performance-wise is always there).......jank that everyone shares like saint's row and gotham knights aside.

does anyone else remember when the PS5 was announced and they did all those technical showcases and made it sound like the PS5 having an SSD was revolutionary technology that would completely change all gaming as we know it and sony fans everywhere went wild with the possibilities that this new innovation brings us

ellis123 posted...

Literally the only reason for anyone to buy a console is exclusives if they have a good PC. If it's also on PC I have no reason to buy a console version of the game.

They are great for people on budget and for technically enept people who just want a rig purely optimized for gaming. Things like graphics cards, cpu processors, SSDIs, RAM or whatever are foreign to most people.

That, and High end gaming laptops aren't cheap, and the cost and overall space needed for a dedicated gaming desktop and set up is.... more of a luxery then many seem to think.

Kuuko posted...

does anyone else remember when the PS5 was announced and they did all those technical showcases and made it sound like the PS5 having an SSD was revolutionary technology that would completely change all gaming as we know it and sony fans everywhere went wild with the possibilities that this new innovation brings us

The current consoles both have SSD's and that will bring changes going forward. It means games won't have to use gimmicks like *slowly squeeze through a crevasse* to hide the game loading assets. And games will be able to have more things happening on screen.

Prismsblade posted...

They are great for people on budget and for technically enept people who just want a rig purely optimized for gaming. Things like graphics cards, cpu processors, SSDIs, RAM or whatever are foreign to most people.

That, and High end gaming laptops aren't cheap, and the cost and overall space needed for a dedicated gaming desktop and set up is.... more of a luxery then many seem to think.

Valid PCs aren't that expensive versus consoles and you can get them pre-built. Similarly being "foreign" is no different than saying that consoles are as well, with roughly the same demographic being stumped. You also don't need to do a laptop (in fact, a gaming laptop is dumb for a good 90% of people) and while space is a thing it is not any different than a game console.

Mad-Dogg posted...

I agree with this part. It makes total sense for someone who mainly games on PC to take a wait and see approach when it comes to getting a console they may never need. My post was speaking from both a console gamer's perspective and from one who just does not think the exclusives between the playstation and xbox just isn't too big a deal breaker at the moment in comparison to what it was in the PS2, og xbox, PS3, 360, and even last gen eras. Demon's souls, returnal, ratchet and clank, horizon, god of war and whatever is fine, but the main focus at the moment is the huge amount of third party games that every platform shares right now.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass about PC gaming (I do own a desktop PC, but mine is only used for browsing, posting wherever, youtube, comic/manga reading, and playing indie games that did not get a playstation or a switch port yet. Also emulators to play PS2 and below stuff), so the day 1 PS5 has been really great for me. Every single game just runs really well on the PS5 (elden ring is a little iffy, but at least on the PS5 the option to simply play the PS4 version on the PS5 so it can push it to as high as it could go performance-wise is always there).......jank that everyone shares like saint's row and gotham knights aside.

I mean, they aren't big now and that's the reason that what console you get doesn't matter that much (beyond the Switch, which actually has exclusives and is the only one that you definitively say that every "console gamer" should have). The one that wants to "win" needs the best exclusives as that is the entire point of buying one over the other. Thus you should always focus on them as the rationale behind the system as everything else comes out in the wash. PS5 has the best exclusives? Then it's the console to have. It has worse ones? Then don't bother with it.

NoxObscuras posted...

The current consoles both have SSD's and that will bring changes going forward. It means games won't have to use gimmicks like *slowly squeeze through a crevasse* to hide the game loading assets. And games will be able to have more things happening on screen.

Yeah, the reason it doesn't seem remarkable is because many games since the PS5 launch were still made to accommodate last gen due to COVID. The possibilities that have been presented with the tech is still very much there.