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A lot do. Women just get the spotlight because why give the oppressors more spotlight than the oppressed. If we helped women instead of worked against them, it would eventually get to us. But if we keep whining about not being first even tho we're the oppresses, we're just holding back everything

Lost_All_Senses posted...

A lot do. Women just get the spotlight because why give the oppressors more spotlight than the oppressed. If we helped women instead of worked against them, it would eventually get to us. But if we keep whining about not being first even tho we're the oppresses, we're just holding back everything

Because people think like this.

Interesting how the 'opressors' have the higher suicide rates.

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Because people think like this.

You're assuming I think men should get no help. When all I said os it nakes sense to give women a lil more attention. Why do you feel men should take priority over women?

Keep in mind, Im also coming from the realistic mindstate that even if it was completely even, there would still be whining. Id love it to be even, but this whining would still exist even if it was.

bulletproofvita posted...

Interesting how the 'opressors' have the higher suicide rates.

Lol. So, women are forcing men into suicide? You sure it's not just the society men have set up for ourselves?

I think you guys take stuff personal when Im talking in general. I think talk about mental health for men has only gotten better tho. Friends of me here know I personally do my part if they come to me. And I started in this topic by acknowledging men do have places for support. Im not against it in any way.

You know what, maybe it is my fault and I came out the gate too strong. It's just that I hear men complaining about women whenever this gets brought up and I might of been coming from that headspace. Im not saying only focus on women, just that I understand why women would need extra support atm

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People coming to serious conversations with vague statistics with no context usually needs asterisks on what they say >_<.

But again, I agree men need help to. Every space Im in it's been going that direction tho. Literally every man I watch on Youtube talks about men's mental health when relevant and how it's not ok to neglect men's feelings just because they're men. So, part of this feels like people walking with blindfolds past what they're looking for while complaining it doesn't exist.

/r/menslib

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

A lot do. Women just get the spotlight because why give the oppressors more spotlight than the oppressed. If we helped women instead of worked against them, it would eventually get to us. But if we keep whining about not being first even tho we're the oppresses, we're just holding back everything

Gen Z and Millennials are not the oppressors tho. Most of us are more progressive when it comes to how we treat women in society, whether that be by supporting feminism, equal pay, body positivity, sex work, etc. Yet the men of this same demographic still get shit on because the men from generations before us instituted and upheld the male patriarchy.

Also think for a second. Why is it socially acceptable (as it should be, lets clarify that) for women to post revealing pictures on social media? But if a guy takes his shirt off for a selfie, hes a try-hard douchebag, or hes deemed too ugly/ overweight? Ive had male and female friends post laughing emojis and tell me to put my shirt back on when I posted myself years ago with a towel around my neck and covering my pecs, but if a girl were to post something in her bra and panties, her female friends would be like SLAYYYY GIRL while guys would be thirsting all over her.

Theres a clear discrepancy in the year 2022 in regards to how society treats men and women in the areas of body positivity and mental health. Lets not pretend like this doesnt exist.

MasterOfGames57 posted...

Gen Z and Millennials are not the oppressors tho. Most of us are more progressive when it comes to how we treat women in society, whether that be by supporting feminism, equal pay, body positivity, sex work, etc. Yet the men of this same demographic still get shit on because the men from generations before us instituted and upheld the male patriarchy.

Also think for a second. Why is it socially acceptable (as it should be, lets clarify that) for women to post revealing pictures on social media? But if a guy takes his shirt off for a selfie, hes a try-hard douchebag, or hes deemed too ugly/ overweight? Ive had male and female friends post laughing emojis and tell me to put my shirt back on when I posted myself years ago with a towel around my neck and covering my pecs, but if a girl were to post something in her bra and panties, her female friends would be like SLAYYYY GIRL while guys would be thirsting all over her.

Theres a clear discrepancy in the year 2022 in regards to how society treats men and women in the areas of body positivity and mental health. Lets not pretend like this doesnt exist.

Tbf what you just described is just pathetic men being thirsty. Women have the right to be picky (maybe they're more picky than they merit but still), men should probably take notes

uEuphoricXDrekt posted...

Tbf what you just described is just pathetic men being thirsty. Women have the right to be picky (maybe they're more picky than they merit but still), men should probably take notes

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/7/AAN5L_AAD8wD.jpg

MasterOfGames57 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/7/AAN5L_AAD8wD.jpg

How am I missing the poit? I think that explains the difference. Women are very picky, men aren't. I don't think that's a social construct

uEuphoricXDrekt posted...

How am I missing the poit? I think that explains the difference. Women are very picky, men aren't. I don't think that's a social construct

Because nowhere, literally nowhere, in my post was I referencing the dynamics of relationships, or the ways in which women choose their partners. Youre replying to a straw man.

MasterOfGames57 posted...

Because nowhere, literally nowhere, in my post was I referencing the dynamics of relationships, or the ways in which women choose their partners. Youre replying to a straw man.

What? Neither did I. I just explained why men cheer on women getting naked while women rebuke the reverse

Women shit on you because they don't want to see that, men encourage that from women because they do. Simple as

uEuphoricXDrekt posted...

What? Neither did I. I just explained why men cheer on women getting naked while women rebuke the reverse

Women shit on you because they don't want to see that, men encourage that from women because they do. Simple as

Women cheer on women too. You conveniently left that out. Maybe because it contradicts your point?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

A lot do. Women just get the spotlight because why give the oppressors more spotlight than the oppressed. If we helped women instead of worked against them, it would eventually get to us. But if we keep whining about not being first even tho we're the oppresses, we're just holding back everything

gtfo

Who the fuck actually refers to themselves as an oppressor. Some weird ass dudes, convinced that saying stupid shit like that is what good people do.

The negative consequences of "Machismo", perhaps?

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wanderingshade posted...

The negative consequences of "Machismo", perhaps?

Men definitely share their blame for this, but where are all the women coming to the defense of men in these instances? You have male feminists, as well as centrist and lefties supporting women in the realm of body image and mental health. Theres no movement circulated around mens body positivity or mental health.

If youre a young man with self esteem issues, youre in touch with your feelings, or you struggle with body dysmorphia, you get a nice big beta label attached to your name. But you also get shamed for the way your parents and grandparents regarded women.

Just go to the gym vegy and pump dose weights. You will feel good about yourself guaranteed

MasterOfGames57 posted...

Women cheer on women too. You conveniently left that out. Maybe because it contradicts your point?

Only when they see themselves in it. They're much more harsh when it comes to attractive women that they can't compete with (I think I have a pic showing this, it's a post by Enji Night being picked apart by jealous women on social media)

There's probably a lot of reasons why guys don't show support for other guys, I think the main reason though is that they just don't see themselves in other guys as much as women do. What some other guy is doing is his thing. Also there's not a movement for men encouraging confidence and "empowerment" and whatever as there is for women

Part of having a good body image is not caring about what the world thinks of it. Part of having good mental health is being able to get through life without it dragging you down with it. You envy the various instances of women getting empty praise online, but don't realize that if they need such emotional validation, then without it they're crippled, or lost at sea. As long as you care about you, that's all that matters. "The world", i.e. random strangers, shouldn't make a difference. Go through life on your own terms, don't let society set your own standards or shame you.

That's the other thing. Machismo or manliness also leans a bit on independence. Being dependent is unmanly. You aren't expected to need other people to help you, because a man should be able to do it himself. A man shouldn't be crying. Men don't ask for directions. Men don't show emotions. Men don't ...

And the more homophobic your surroundings, the more you're not allowed to talk about it. At best in most cases you get "I know it sucks, but you don't see me crying about it!"

I guess that's kinda why a like the energy of Red Green and Possum Lodge.

"Remember, I'm pulling for you. We're all in this together" "Keep your stick on the Ice". I mean, it is trying to take the whole "outdoorsy, rugged wilderness" and handy man tropes and make fun of them in a tongue in cheek way.

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This, and guess who in history instituted the patriarchy that men are suffering from now? Other men. The faster we get rid of the notion to "man up", "alpha males", "chads", and gender roles in general the better we as a society can actually tackle actual mental health.

gasgpmo posted...

Part of having a good body image is not caring about what the world thinks of it.

I don't really agree with this, lack of self-esteem issues is not really the same as the presence of confidence. I do think you need validation to feel good about yourself (for most people, obviously exceptionally good looking people will always know it)

Prestoff posted...

This, and guess who in history instituted the patriarchy that men are suffering from now? Other men. The faster we get rid of the notion to "man up", "alpha males", "chads", and gender roles in general the better we as a society can actually tackle actual mental health.

That patriarchy is what built everything we already have though, it's important to keep in mind that every paradigm has advantages and disadvantages. Patriarchy has problems, it's not the problem itself and a lot of sectors of society rely on masculinity and the acknowledgment that men and women are more suited to different things.

uEuphoricXDrekt posted...

I do think you need validation to feel good about yourself (for most people, obviously exceptionally good looking people will always know it)

Validation from individuals you hold in high esteem is fine. But seeking constant affirmation from random strangers on the internet is not going to help anyone in the long run.

All I'm saying is that if what you perceive as "the world" is bringing you down, then you need to divorce yourself from it and live your own life. And question whether this thing the world calls "body image" really matters in the first place.

Respect Men's Mental Health

gasgpmo posted...

Validation from individuals you hold in high esteem is fine. But seeking constant affirmation from random strangers on the internet is not going to help anyone in the long run.

All I'm saying is that if what you perceive as "the world" is bringing you down, then you need to divorce yourself from it and live your own life. And question whether this thing the world calls "body image" really matters in the first place.

Yeah I basically agree with that. To be honest I think health should be your first concern long before aesthetics, it just happens that they usually closely correlate (which is nice)

https://twitter.com/catwthewires/status/1599185042307096576?t=1BNz_swUi04y98naKMVZ2w&s=19

Yeah men unfortunately fall for the meme that women are more in touch with their feelings or better with feelings in general so they go to people who they should know don't care about them and can't relate for help. Therapy is expensive I suppose.

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If you're being serious then you're so naive it makes me sick to my stomach

Men no doubt have done this to themselves.

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You want me to go into detail about the long and established history of men using their female partners as personal therapists?

No. Do your own research or maybe talk to a woman in your life about it because this is so common you could literally check Twitter for "women therapists" and get thousands upon thousands of tweets of women speaking to the fact that they've been expected to be therapists for men. If you think I'd lie about a common phenomenon then you can fuck off.

Toxic masculinity leading to men who show feelings to be deemed as lesser men by men and women alike.
Societys ideal man is tall, works out, does not complain about their circumstances and has a well paying job. If you don't meet that criteria you will very quickly find out.

Us men did it to ourselves, considering we have been in power for most of history(I shouldn't have to say women's rights is still very recent in the history of the world, and not even that long ago in the history of America, and in some places they don't even have those rights)

But things seem to be changing for the better at least as the old dies off and the younger generation grows and gives birth

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Yeah, seems like it would be pretty difficult to prove either way. In the first place, what is "treating someone as a therapist"? Expressing your feelings? Doing so specifically in a way that is not welcome to the recipient? Is it true that men are more likely to talk about their feelings to their girlfriends than women are to their boyfriends? Seems to run contrary to what I usually hear. Could it be an example of the toxic masculinity discussed in this topic, where women are more prone to reacting negatively to men expressing their feelings than the reverse?

gunplagirl posted...

You want me to go into detail about the long and established history of men using their female partners as personal therapists?

You're saying "their female partners" (people who they absolutely -should- be able to talk to but I guess your partner has less skin in the game of your mental health than your guy buddies do, lol) now whereas before you were saying random women.

Wild how little women care about us lol, I'm realistic so it can't disappoint me but it's still always a little shocking ngl