Current Events > Always nervous about big purchases, can I get a rate my PC build?

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Haven't bought a new PC since 2010. I actually planned on just upgrading my old one, but feels like it's not worth replacing every individual part and the motherboard isn't compatible with certain things.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Stellackj/saved/#view=9XQpK8

I tried to go for decent gaming/ video editing budget options. $100 a year isn't too bad.

Id shell out a bit more for a dual fan cpu cooler, but otherwise go for it.

You did cross post this on the PC board? They nerd out on this stuff, trying to optimize builds and get you the best bang for the buck.

I'm in a similar boat, but my 2012 build is still working great for what I use it for. I might hold out for another year. I'll I've done is add a GTX 970 about 4 years ago and I still game on it. Instead of upgrading I bought a MSI gaming laptop to compliment what I already have.

Not bad

That's...not great.

For a grand, whats wrong with it

CreekCo posted...

For a grand, whats wrong with it

For example, this is $300 more and just absolutely blows that away
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zpxbfv
A far better case, MUUUUUUCH better GPU, a better CPU (with a much, much better cooling source). Definitely worth the extra, IMO. What's your budget?

Pretty dang good for a budget build. Not sure if an 8gb video card is the greatest thing ever for video editing, but i guess it depends on if you do it extensively or just as a hobby.

And I'm not too familiar with Radeon 6600 but i think it technically "supports" ray tracing in similar fashion to how the 16series nvidia cards "support" ray tracing.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

video editing budget options

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kdnyTn

Here's an option that is only $40 more, while again being FAR more competent
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7pgFrD

this is $100 cheaper, prebuilt, and better in the graphics dept by a considerable degree
https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-katana-x10/p/N82E16883630017?Item=N82E16883630017
i havent shopped pcs in like 3 years so idk prices and part comparisons off the top of my head, but i wouldnt go with the build in the OP for gaming
are we at the point where we need 32gb ram for gaming pcs? edit: oh video editing my b

Oubliettes posted...

are we at the point where we need 32gb ram for gaming pcs?

Partially yes, partially it's just so inexpensive that buying a 2x 8 GB kit doesn't make sense anymore.
That prebuilt is probably slightly okay-ish if you replace the cooling with something actually decent and use the newegg promo going on right now.

Caelthus posted...

For example, this is $300 more and just absolutely blows that away
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zpxbfv
A far better case, MUUUUUUCH better GPU, a better CPU (with a much, much better cooling source). Definitely worth the extra, IMO. What's your budget?

Around $1000, but I'd say $1500 max.

If there's easy cheap upgrades, I'll take them. If there's small ~10% upgrades for hundreds of dollars more I can wait a few years and make them later.
Looking up that build, no way in the world is that GPU $350. Though I do feel consigned to getting a 3060.
Same for the CPU. It's about $50 more than listed.
I have zero clue how to rate motherboards, cooling, PSU, or cases.

Caelthus posted...

Partially yes, partially it's just so inexpensive that buying a 2x 8 GB kit doesn't make sense anymore.
That prebuilt is probably slightly okay-ish if you replace the cooling with something actually decent and use the newegg promo going on right now.

oh i wouldn't buy that prebuilt, just an example i could find in like 30 seconds of browing
theres some decent prebuilts for the price on newegg if you're willing to browse tho, my last 3 pcs have been prebuilts from there, skytechs and ibuypowers. never had a problem with any of them. the ibuypower still going solid 8 years later, and i'm writing this from the skytech atm

ChocoboMog123 posted...

Looking up that build, no way in the world is that GPU $350. Though I do feel consigned to getting a 3060.

It actually is. GPU prices are in an absolute freefall right now on ebay and /r/Hardwareswap. You can get a used 3070 for under $400 right now on there easily. About the CPU - that's a deal at Micro Center, buy a 12600k and get the listed motherboard for free. And newegg has a combo deal with that power supply and case where you get the power supply effectively for free.

Oubliettes posted...

are we at the point where we need 32gb ram for gaming pcs? edit: oh video editing my b

Absolutely need it for VMs, etc.

As for gaming, I don't care about running Spiderman Tomb Raider 6400 in 440000p. I do care about streaming Overwatch, WoW, and emulated Android games.

Caelthus posted...

It actually is. GPU prices are in an absolute freefall right now on ebay and /r/Hardwareswap. You can get a used 3070 for under $400 right now on there easily. About the CPU - that's a deal at Micro Center, buy a 12600k and get the listed motherboard for free. And newegg has a combo deal with that power supply and case where you get the power supply effectively for free.

https://imgur.com/a/JpCWNHj Here's a picture I just took not even 5 minutes ago of sales on Ebay.

btw if you really are into editing nvidia is the way to go.

Just better supported by the usual industry programs by far.

If you use linux then AMD is a good choice still.

Yeah, if you enjoy streaming, don't even consider AMD whatsoever. NVIDIA's NVENC encoder runs circles around AMD so hard it's not even funny.

Caelthus posted...

That's...not great.

Damn, you must really not like this guy if you're pulling your punches this hard.

Caelthus posted...

Yeah, if you enjoy streaming, don't even consider AMD whatsoever. NVIDIA's NVENC encoder runs circles around AMD so hard it's not even funny.

The issue is NVENC encoding is pretty resource heavy, so a bunch of the tech giants are engineering an open source encoding codec for streaming on Twitch and YouTube. AVX1 encoding or something? Can't remember the exact name. Nvidia does it the best right now, but new encoding codecs are coming.

Caelthus posted...

Here's an option that is only $40 more, while again being FAR more competent
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7pgFrD

That motherboard you chose is out of stock, so I don't think its price is reflected in the final tally on PC part picker.

Alucard188 posted...

The issue is NVENC encoding is pretty resource heavy, so a bunch of the tech giants are engineering an open source encoding codec for streaming on Twitch and YouTube. AVX1 encoding or something? Can't remember the exact name. Nvidia does it the best right now, but new encoding codecs are coming.

AV1 is available on 4000 series and Intel dGPUs, but that's way out of the budget rn anyway.

In terms of quality/perf hit Turing/Ampere NVEnc is way above AMD's solution.

But editing is more than just encoding, and there's a massive gap in support for CUDA vs whatever AMD is using.

Good luck TC. These are helpful posts also.

I tried to take a lot of suggestions from here and the PC board, here's where I'm at:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Stellackj/saved/mPfNzy

I tried to find a RTX 3070 on ebay, but they're all either for auction, broken for parts, or expensive.

personally dont think you need ddr5, marginal performance benefits, and a z690 motherboard, it gives you no real performance benefit and i honestly doubt you'd overclock high enough to care about the vrms, if at all.

scaling down the motherboard and ddr5 to b660 and ddr4 would either save you money or put you into the 13600k upgrade, which would give you significant gains in both multithreaded and single threaded workloads.

A Scythe Fuma 2 would also blow out a 120mm watercooler and be significantly be more reliable.

If anyone can justify why this dude needs a Z690 and DDR5 while not saturating his storage allocation and a gpu that wouldn't push his cpu that much to need another boost from ddr5, let me know.

like so: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZXzLBj

TetsuoS2 posted...

personally dont think you need ddr5, marginal performance benefits, and a z690 motherboard, it gives you no real performance benefit and i honestly doubt you'd overclock high enough to care about the vrms, if at all.

scaling down the motherboard and ddr5 to b660 and ddr4 would either save you money or put you into the 13600k upgrade, which would give you significant gains in both multithreaded and single threaded workloads.

A Scythe Fuma 2 would also blow out a 120mm watercooler and be significantly be more reliable.

If anyone can justify why this dude needs a Z690 and DDR5 while not saturating his storage allocation and a gpu that wouldn't push his cpu that much to need another boost from ddr5, let me know.

like so: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZXzLBj

I tried to do the math and thought it was a ~$70 difference between DDR4 + MoBo and DDR5 + MoBo, but this list made a big difference:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2CW8r
It says it has compatibility issues but seems like I can just update the bios.

I wanted DDR5 because it seems more future proof. Would rather buy a new CPU later, I think, than a new motherboard (+ RAM). Honestly, I'm not entirely adverse to just paying an extra $70 for a better CPU if it'll make a big diff.

Edit: This cooler? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D3Gbt6/scythe-fuma-2-revb-3944-cfm-cpu-cooler-scfm-2100

Well I'm not gonna stop you if you really want to go high end motherboard+ddr5, but I really think you should go for the 13600k if you can.

For the BIOS you can usually just ask the seller if it's updated or ask them to do that for you, *in some cases.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/

It is faster than even the 12700k.

Yeah, that cooler is one of the best in that price range.

I would strongly suggest not buying a gpu off ebay. You never know if it was used for mining.

If I remember correctly, the H Intel boards are locked down for overclocking, meaning you'll get no extra benefit from your K SKU CPU. I actually really hate Intel for this, because they have three motherboard variants with features artificially locked behind higher-tier motherboards. If you are doing streaming, encoding, CPU intensive tasks, having an H series motherboard is very suboptimal.

No eBay video cards :(

Actually what all do you need this computer for? Just go AMD Ryzen 5 with DDR 4 memory and youll probably be happy and your wallet will thank you too.