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This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

Photo radar tickets don't hold up in court because being the owner of the vehicle isn't sufficient enough evidence that you actually committed the crime.

They normally just fine the owner by default and then the owner can transfer the fine to whoever was driving the car. But some way or another someone is paying the fine and the owner shouldnt have allowed a speeder to drive their car. At least thats the pigs logic

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

Its not up to the police to decide if a ticket gets paid.

What point are you trying to make

What point were you trying to make in response to my original post?

That radars do hold up on court where such things are implemented
you could have ascertained that by reading the post

You talked about police making the person pay, thats not how it works. A photo radar ticket is not the same thing as being pulled over by a police officer and being directly handed a ticket. If you receive a photo radar ticket you just have to contest it in court. If they can't prove you were driving the car at the time of the ticket they can't charge you and it will get thrown out. I literally fight every single photo radar ticket I have ever gotten and it isn't even hard. Just use a sick day so I still get paid and fight the ticket so I don't have to pay it.

Sounds like a semantics argument. Not interested

If you think the differences between the courts and police is semantics then there is no discussion to even be had, but I will assure you they are very different.

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

This is probably the worst idea in the history of CE. There are people who like to drive fast you know.

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

That radars do hold up on court where such things are implemented
you could have ascertained that by reading the post

They shouldn't though. They're technically unconstitutional.

I'm not a fan of the cameras and in some cases they make accidents worse. But I'm curious as to how they are unconstitutional.

Yes. In People vs. Goldsmith (2014), the California Supreme Court ruled red light camera tickets constitutional. The ruling also stated that images taken by red light cameras are proof of traffic violations and are considered court evidence (e.g., for speeding tickets in Los Angeles).
Goldsmith believed the evidence from a red light camera should be considered hearsay. He argued that it constitutes an inadequate foundation for evidence, but the court disagreed. What are the implications of this ruling?

Are Red Light Speeding Cameras Effective?
Yes. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) evaluated red light camera enforcement in Oxnard, California, in 1999 to determine its effectiveness. They studied 14 intersections and found that red light violation rates reduced by 42% several months after the enforcement program began.
Furthermore, they observed safer driving at other intersections even if a red light speeding camera wasnt present. Numerous other studies across the country showed similar results, especially when combined with extending yellow light timings.
The problems with these cameras are false positives and, in some states and cities, corruption by officials using the cameras as a revenue generation system. Corrupted officials do this by changing the timings of the green and yellow lights to catch more red-light runners.

Honestly, the car owner should get ticketed regardless, even if someone else is borrowing the car. If they don't wanna get ticketed then only let responsible people borrow the car. It eliminates the confusion.

https://www.simmrinlawgroup.com/faqs/are-red-light-speeding-camera-tickets-considered-constitutional-in-california/

I assure you whatever point you have to make is semantics. The differences between the courts and police isnt something I was trying to discuss, thats on you for trying to change topics

Honestly, the car owner should get ticketed regardless, even if someone else is borrowing the car. If they don't wanna get ticketed then only let responsible people borrow the car. It eliminates the confusion.

This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

America has literally millions of miles of roads, covering thousands of jurisdictions with different laws. Some areas probably do, but its definitely nowhere near a universal thing.

the only country that might have a system approaching the OP might be china since they went deep on the whole stalking thin

, sometimes they have police watching the road at times/during the school year to make sure everyone is going at the appropriate speed.

they even installed a speed trap on the path leading to the school so people drive within the speed limit.