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MorbidFaithless
11/10/22 9:40:02 PM
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About ten episodes in.

I knew Jeri Ryan joined the cast as Seven of Nine eventually, but not when. Earlier in season 3 when they first encountered that colony of former Borg, I thought she'd be introduced. But it's a lot cooler that she was full on Borg when they found her and we're watching her entire process of becoming human again. Really liking the character. The show overall seems to have just kicked things up a notch.

I'd always heard so much about how Sisko was the loose cannon captain, but damn, Janeway is a bad bitch and I am here for it. Though I think it is called for. As precarious a place as DS9 could be, the Voyager crew is going THROUGH IT. The Year of Hell was crazy. When Janeway ordered the crew to abandon ship

My impression is that it's considered the worst of the original Trek revivals but I'm really loving it. Casting Voyager off into the Delta Quadrant 75 years from home was a really bold choice, imo, considering it severely limits the options of so much of what Trek had built upon.

Shout out to my girl Kes for ascending to a higher plane of existence and shaving 10 years off the trip home.

Anyway, I wonder if Seven was well received by the audience at the time? A Borg? On MY starship? It's more likely thank you think.


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K181
11/10/22 9:40:49 PM
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https://youtu.be/PIGxMENwq1k

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MarcoRubio
11/10/22 9:41:19 PM
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Janeway is an S-Tier captain.

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pegusus123456
11/10/22 9:45:17 PM
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The issue people have with Voyager is mostly the massively inconsistent writing and the absolute refusal to use continuity. So you get some really good episodes, but you also get some absolute garbage episodes. You get some episodes where Janeway is a great captain, you get some episodes where she should be court martialed.

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lightwarrior78
11/10/22 9:48:41 PM
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It kind of peaks that season. 5 isn't bad, but 6 and 7 were a slog.

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Kim_Seong-a
11/10/22 9:51:24 PM
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I honestly loved all of Voyager but Kes getting replaced by Seven was such a boon. I liked Kes as a person but as a character she just never felt like she added much to any scene she was in.

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pegusus123456
11/10/22 9:52:29 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
I honestly loved all of Voyager but Kes getting replaced by Seven was such a boon. I liked Kes as a person but as a character she just never felt like she added much to any scene she was in.
On the other hand, they were going to replace Harry Kim which would have been way better.

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Kim_Seong-a
11/10/22 9:54:11 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
On the other hand, they were going to replace Harry Kim which would have been way better.

Harry Kim is literally the best character in all of Star Trek

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pegusus123456
11/10/22 9:56:05 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Harry Kim is literally the best character in all of Star Trek
If I had a gun with two bullets and were in a room with Harry, the Threshold lizards, and Neelix, I would shoot Harry in both balls.

It would, of course, be a waste of bullets because Harry's got no balls.

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MorbidFaithless
11/10/22 10:03:13 PM
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I listen to the Delta Flyers podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill and Garrett absolutely denies that Harry was ever on the chopping block. Of course, he could be saying that to... save face..? Idk.

I do get what is said about inconsistent writing. But I feel like that can be said for Trek in general? Or maybe I'll see something truly wild with Voyager, we'll see.

I liked Kes because she was such a different kind of character. Does she have magnetic presence of Seven of Nine? Not quite. I think the biggest mistake is that they were so wishy washy with her abilities, similar to Deanna Troi. If character can perform magic why doesn't character always perform magic?!

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CassandraCroft
11/10/22 10:13:46 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Harry Kim is literally the best character in all of Star Trek

ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING HEAD OFF!

I have got to ask, Just what the utter fuck in all that is holly are you smoking?

Harry Kim is THE WORST character in Star Trek. He is even worse than Wesley Crusher.

He was so bad the creators actually thought about killing him off. But because Garrett Wang who played him somehow got himself named one of the sexiest men alive it was the beautiful and likeable Kes that instead got the axe.

pegusus123456 posted...
If I had a gun with two bullets and were in a room with Harry, the Threshold lizards, and Neelix, I would shoot Harry in both balls.

It would, of course, be a waste of bullets because Harry's got no balls.

Great comment well said. I love it.

MarcoRubio posted...
Janeway is an S-Tier captain.

If by that you mean top tier by that comment well said. She is the second best Captain in Starfleet only beaten by James Tiberius Kirk.

Voyager is my third favourite series after The Original Series and The Next Generation.

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pegusus123456
11/10/22 10:20:31 PM
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That guy shits up every Star Trek topic he's in with his terrible opinions.

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bevan306
11/10/22 10:28:17 PM
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Voyager is my favourite trek, mostly because I enjoy the characters and dynamics. Funny to me that everyone rags on it for its bad episodes - the bad episodes of voyager are just stupid, whereas the bad episodes of almost every other trek series are frequently outright offensive

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CassandraCroft
11/10/22 10:32:12 PM
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black here.

Anyone who thinks that Harry Kim is a good character instantly makes their opinions invalid. Like I said Kim is worse than Wesley Crusher.

Oh and when they allowed Jennifer Lien to have her own hair it turned Kes into a beautiful woman:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/7/AAfUmvAAD3kf.jpg
Kes was a far superior character than that plank of wood Kim. It was no surprise that Janeway never promoted him as quite frankly he didn't deserve it.

Sisko a good Captain!!!??? ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING HEAD OFF!

Sisko was a fucking shit joke of a Captain. He was so fucking shit as Captain that even the creators could see that which is why they tried to turn him into Hawk a character Brooks played in the TV series Spenser For Hire and the spin-off A Man Called Hawk. Janeway rips Sisko apart in every conceivable way.

But then again this is what I should expect from someone who watches these utter crap pathetic streaming series which I do not acknowledge their existence. Oh look Star Trek has become such TV poison no TV channel wants a bar of them.

Star Trek 1966 - 2005.

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jumi
11/10/22 10:34:16 PM
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nb4Tuvix

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kuwab0
11/10/22 10:38:00 PM
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It got better when they realized the Kazon were awful and dumped them

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Ikzai
11/10/22 10:39:43 PM
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I feel bad for what happened to Kes in real life. :(

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hexa
11/10/22 10:48:36 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
My impression is that it's considered the worst of the original Trek revivals but I'm really loving it.

Voyager is better regarded than the series that followed it, Star Trek: Enterprise. And Voyager is better regarded than Discovery by most people

Anyway, I wonder if Seven was well received by the audience at the time? A Borg? On MY starship? It's more likely thank you think.

Many female Trekkies loved Seven of Nine. She was a strong-willed female that was thoughtful and contributed much to the missions. I believe that Seven of Nine was more popular among females than males
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MorbidFaithless
11/11/22 12:17:28 AM
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hexa posted...
Voyager is better regarded than the series that followed it, Star Trek: Enterprise. And Voyager is better regarded than Discovery by most people
I always forget Enterprise exists. It's the only live action Trek series I've seen zero episodes of. THAT concept really intrigues me too. Isn't it like set during the beginnings of Starfleet? Or like some of the first ships to go on missions..? I'll give it a try eventually.

hexa posted...
Many female Trekkies loved Seven of Nine. She was a strong-willed female that was thoughtful and contributed much to the missions. I believe that Seven of Nine was more popular among females than males
That's great. Like I said before her presence on screen is undeniable and she adds a nice contrast to the rest of cast in terms of character interaction. I love her bluntness and how unapologetic she is about being Borg.

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008Zulu
11/11/22 5:54:51 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
The issue people have with Voyager is mostly the massively inconsistent writing and the absolute refusal to use continuity.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-voy.htm

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Aressar
11/11/22 10:13:04 AM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
I always forget Enterprise exists. It's the only live action Trek series I've seen zero episodes of. THAT concept really intrigues me too. Isn't it like set during the beginnings of Starfleet? Or like some of the first ships to go on missions..? I'll give it a try eventually.

It's takes place during the earlier years of the Starfleet, but before the Federation is established. The first two seasons are pretty slow (as seems to be common with ST series) and are mostly episodes along the lines "this was the origin of this technology, and that was first contact with that species".

The third and fourth seasons are really good though. A shame it got cancelled after that, because I feel it could've been so much more fleshed out.


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Kaldrenthebold
11/11/22 10:42:51 AM
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CassandraCroft posted...
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black here.

Anyone who thinks that Harry Kim is a good character instantly makes their opinions invalid. Like I said Kim is worse than Wesley Crusher.

Oh and when they allowed Jennifer Lien to have her own hair it turned Kes into a beautiful woman:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/7/AAfUmvAAD3kf.jpg
Kes was a far superior character than that plank of wood Kim. It was no surprise that Janeway never promoted him as quite frankly he didn't deserve it.

Sisko a good Captain!!!??? ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING HEAD OFF!

Sisko was a fucking shit joke of a Captain. He was so fucking shit as Captain that even the creators could see that which is why they tried to turn him into Hawk a character Brooks played in the TV series Spenser For Hire and the spin-off A Man Called Hawk. Janeway rips Sisko apart in every conceivable way.

But then again this is what I should expect from someone who watches these utter crap pathetic streaming series which I do not acknowledge their existence. Oh look Star Trek has become such TV poison no TV channel wants a bar of them.

Star Trek 1966 - 2005.

Lol you literally have the worst opinion I've ever seen of a Star Trek fan. Kudos I didn't think this kind of garbage posting was possible.

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MarcoRubio
11/11/22 1:31:03 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
That guy shits up every Star Trek topic he's in with his terrible opinions.

Kaldrenthebold posted...
Lol you literally have the worst opinion I've ever seen of a Star Trek fan. Kudos I didn't think this kind of garbage posting was possible.

Not to mention they think the moon landing was fake

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spanky1
11/11/22 2:46:37 PM
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Seven was the best thing Star Trek made.

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Unsuprised_Pika
11/11/22 3:06:49 PM
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CassandraCroft posted...
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black here.

Anyone who thinks that Harry Kim is a good character instantly makes their opinions invalid. Like I said Kim is worse than Wesley Crusher.

Oh and when they allowed Jennifer Lien to have her own hair it turned Kes into a beautiful woman:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/7/AAfUmvAAD3kf.jpg
Kes was a far superior character than that plank of wood Kim. It was no surprise that Janeway never promoted him as quite frankly he didn't deserve it.

Sisko a good Captain!!!??? ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING HEAD OFF!

Sisko was a fucking shit joke of a Captain. He was so fucking shit as Captain that even the creators could see that which is why they tried to turn him into Hawk a character Brooks played in the TV series Spenser For Hire and the spin-off A Man Called Hawk. Janeway rips Sisko apart in every conceivable way.

But then again this is what I should expect from someone who watches these utter crap pathetic streaming series which I do not acknowledge their existence. Oh look Star Trek has become such TV poison no TV channel wants a bar of them.

Star Trek 1966 - 2005.

Strange New Worlds and lower decks are good tbh.

Also thinking Sisko is trash invalidates your opinion.

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Ikzai
11/11/22 10:12:03 PM
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Season 3 and 4 of Enterprise are some good Trek

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Baha05
11/11/22 10:13:04 PM
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K181 posted...
https://youtu.be/PIGxMENwq1k
Lol

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ChocoboMog123
11/11/22 10:26:17 PM
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More Star Trek hot takes:
I like that Harry Kim is just a regular dude, for the most part. He's not a great character, he's just a regular dude. Worse version of O'Brien. His best is his holodeck antics. He'd fit right in on a series like Lower Decks. I wish they would have killed him off, just to make him more interesting if nothing else.

If I had to name the worst Voy character, I'd say Chakotay. He creates issues with Seven, is written terribly in general, and is pretty racist. The way he handles merging the Maquis and Starfleet is pretty terrible, too, if you don't accept the hand-waving. I really hate Neelix and Harry is just kinda there, but they're not patently offensive. Chakotay does have some great episodes, though, when they let Robert Beltran break character.

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Kim_Seong-a
11/11/22 10:43:57 PM
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ChocoboMog123 posted...
I wish they would have killed him off,

I mean, they did, technically, that one time. Lol

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ChocoboMog123
11/11/22 10:45:07 PM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
I mean, they did, technically, that one time. Lol
Which would be fantastic if they EVER brought it up again, even in passing.

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Ikzai
11/11/22 10:59:19 PM
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ChocoboMog123 posted...
More Star Trek hot takes:
I like that Harry Kim is just a regular dude, for the most part. He's not a great character, he's just a regular dude. Worse version of O'Brien. His best is his holodeck antics. He'd fit right in on a series like Lower Decks. I wish they would have killed him off, just to make him more interesting if nothing else.

If I had to name the worst Voy character, I'd say Chakotay. He creates issues with Seven, is written terribly in general, and is pretty racist. The way he handles merging the Maquis and Starfleet is pretty terrible, too, if you don't accept the hand-waving. I really hate Neelix and Harry is just kinda there, but they're not patently offensive. Chakotay does have some great episodes, though, when they let Robert Beltran break character.

I agree with you on both counts, dude. Harry Kim is great. I like his podcast Delta Flyers. Seems like a genuine down to earth dude.

Chakotay was *racist* but the writers were misled. The team desperately wanted to have a character channel Native American values so they hired Jamake Highwater to consult with for the creation of the character. Too bad it turns out Jamake Highwater made a career scamming people on Native American beliefs misguiding an entire generation.

https://www.cracked.com/article_33719_star-trek-voyager-got-scammed-by-a-native-american-imposter.html

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MorbidFaithless
11/12/22 8:42:26 PM
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Seven of Nine just said the Kazon weren't even worth assimilating. I wonder if that's an in joke for the writer lol. I didn't mind the Kazon. While they don't really make sense as a species: how do you become advanced enough for warp travel but still can't find food or water consistently, space barbarians is kind of a cool idea haha.

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Doe
11/12/22 8:46:14 PM
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Sisko being a screaming loose cannon is incredibly over-exaggerated by the internet. I can think of a reason why... Really he only has a couple episodes that have him being kinda off his rocker. What really comes to mind is when Dax got him to 'be the villain' for that one traitor guy and have him biobomb a planet. That was just insane and I don't remember how he got away with it.

He's actually probably the captain charged with grounding the most crazy people. Dude's gotta put a leash on a 700 years old narcissist, an enhanced doctor who's too naive to know how dangerous he is, a literal terrorist, a literal spy, a religious ancap, a cult, a loose cannon my-own-justice security officer who's a member of the super-species they're at war with, a war... and on top of all that, he has to balance fatherhood.

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Kim_Seong-a
11/12/22 8:51:54 PM
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I didn't mind the Kazon but I didn't find them compelling enough to justify how often they showed up. Probably doesn't help that I also hated everything involving Seska and she's inextricably linked with their later stories.

That one episode where Nog's actor played a young Kazon was really good, though. Though I couldn't unhear Nog at all so it was kind of surreal lol.

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TMOG
11/12/22 8:56:34 PM
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hexa posted...
Many female Trekkies loved Seven of Nine. She was a strong-willed female that was thoughtful and contributed much to the missions. I believe that Seven of Nine was more popular among females than males
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Doe
11/12/22 8:57:55 PM
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ChocoboMog123 posted...
The way he handles merging the Maquis and Starfleet is pretty terrible, too, if you don't accept the hand-waving.
On the subject of Voyager, this was one of the things that really disappointed me about the premise. I watched some of season 1 and they didn't seem to care about the consequences of this at all. Tuvok in particular shouldn't have even survived episode one. A badge-toting traitor to the Maquis who shows such emotional indifference to his actions should've been found in his bunk with a phaser blast to his heart.

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BakonBitz
11/12/22 9:00:33 PM
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Voyager is in a weird place with me. As a kid I LOVED watching that show compared to DS9 or TNG. I liked it so much I would stay up late past midnight to watch it on TV. Not sure why? Maybe the intro setting up their situation was interesting to me and I wanted to watch it all to see if they'd make it back home.

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TMOG
11/12/22 9:00:54 PM
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Doe posted...
Sisko being a screaming loose cannon is incredibly over-exaggerated by the internet. I can think of a reason why... Really he only has a couple episodes that have him being kinda off his rocker. What really comes to mind is when Dax got him to 'be the villain' for that one traitor guy and have him biobomb a planet. That was just insane and I don't remember how he got away with it.
There was also the time that he took part in the assassination of a Romulan ambassador to manipulate them into joining the war, then said he regrets nothing and would do it again

Sisko loved his war crimes tbh
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Doe
11/12/22 9:03:57 PM
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TMOG posted...
Sisko loved his war crimes tbh
he was clearly trying to convince himself about that one tho. And while that episode cements the contrast Sisko takes compared to Picard, it is notably absent of 'crazy Sisko' screaming. Aside from punching Garak, it is his most calm and collected appearance.

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bulletproofvita
11/12/22 9:08:24 PM
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Gotta love Voyager
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Doe
11/12/22 9:09:18 PM
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^yo WHAT

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008Zulu
11/12/22 9:20:07 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...
Seven of Nine just said the Kazon weren't even worth assimilating.
Reminds me of the scene where zombies corner Homer Simpson, then walk away when they realise he doesn't have any brains.

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bulletproofvita
11/12/22 9:21:25 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/4/AAZ1uBAAD4Bq.jpg

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ChocoboMog123
11/12/22 9:22:28 PM
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https://media.tenor.com/Q0ekk_wHb_YAAAAd/jeri-ryan-seven-of-nine.gif
Seven also unironically got Obama elected.

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Panthera
11/12/22 9:33:02 PM
#49:


pegusus123456 posted...
You get some episodes where Janeway is a great captain, you get some episodes where she should be court martialed.

The problem with Janeway is she's basically two different characters who happen to share the same body. Some days she's a very principled "always follow the Prime Directive, we can't bend the rules" type who has to deal with how hard it can be to uphold those principles decades away from home, some days she's a ruthless pragmatist who only cares about preserving her crew's lives to the point that you have to question just how far she's willing to go. Both characters are good in a vacuum but the way she swaps between the two depending on what the episode needs is jarring as hell. The only trait she has at all times is loving coffee.

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MorbidFaithless
11/13/22 3:51:49 PM
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I never thought there would be a "Neelix is depressed and suicidal" episode lmao

I actually love Neelix, idc what the haters say

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pegusus123456
11/13/22 3:53:41 PM
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MorbidFaithless posted...


I actually love Neelix
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/6/AAGadeAADhcY.jpg

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