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CyricZ 11/04/22 11:04:27 AM #1: |
https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-16-square-enix-interview-lore IGN: In regards to diversity in the game, can we expect to see Black characters in Final Fantasy XVI, or people of color (non-white characters) in general? To clarify a bit more, theres been discussion around the trailers to date featuring mostly white characters, and I wanted to get clarity on whether we can expect the final game to be more diverse. Well when you explain it like that... --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/04/22 11:05:42 AM #2: |
tl;dr: "We're Japanese, piss off!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CARRRNE_ASADA 11/04/22 11:08:03 AM #3: |
Yoshida is very eloquent. They also probably thought theyd get more shit for putting token minorities and it wasnt worth the hassle in the age of twitter trying to cancel you if things are not 100% how they want it to be. --- SEXY SEXY! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeggetaX 11/04/22 11:15:19 AM #4: |
Square are a bunch of Euroboos. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rivers 11/04/22 11:15:32 AM #5: |
coo --- equites quattuor in saeculum saeculi 4h4l ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guns_of_Verdun 11/04/22 11:17:20 AM #6: |
Honestly they have no obligation to put anything into their games But "We can't make our FANTASY game have non white peeople because reality medievil England didn't." is such bullshit and they know it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syLPNzV8gD4 Christ Final Fantasy 9 had goddamn fish people in it I wish there just honest and said "We don't care" --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 11/04/22 11:19:03 AM #7: |
I wonder how people would react to the fact that medieval Europe had BAME people in it and not just white people. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 11/04/22 11:21:01 AM #8: |
That could just as easily be a yes as a no. It was a lot of words saying nothing. --- Release the Batgirl movie! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MixedRaceBaby 11/04/22 11:21:15 AM #9: |
FF14 has scientists that Black bunny girls with blonde hair and sunglasses. I think he's good --- For the mixed race babies! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gamespoht 11/04/22 11:21:45 AM #10: |
Sounds the same excuse fromsoft fans use since there's like zero diversity outside of CaC --- ''No copyright law in the universe is going to stop me''-Sonic The Hedgehog I am Gamespot's Unofficial Mascot....Love Me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PowerOats 11/04/22 11:22:01 AM #11: |
Bahamut is Black ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DipDipDiver 11/04/22 11:23:08 AM #12: |
Guns_of_Verdun posted... Honestly they have no obligation to put anything into their gamesI agree completely. He obviously put a lot of thought into his response but it's still a cop out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 11/04/22 11:51:58 AM #14: |
All he had to say was "no" lmao. Dude said "there can't be Black people in Europe because there weren't planes yet." --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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teep_ 11/04/22 11:52:38 AM #15: |
Funkydog posted... I wonder how people would react to the fact that medieval Europe had BAME people in it and not just white people. --- Grind. Future. A beautiful star. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 11/04/22 11:55:13 AM #16: |
This seems weird but more than anything, the fact that they thought so much about the detail of "geographical """realism"""" makes me even less interested in the game than I was. It looks and sounds so boring. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 11/04/22 11:56:59 AM #17: |
Good thing I'm sticking with Fire Emblem and Triangle Strategy. PS5 owners can have their modern FFs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 11/04/22 11:58:20 AM #18: |
PBusted posted... Good thing I'm sticking with Fire Emblem and Triangle Strategy. PS5 owners can have their modern FFs.Dedue would be a great Lex Luthor. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BaphometFlux 11/04/22 11:58:33 AM #19: |
Such a bad answer , he would have been better saying I dont want to. --- "Shisaanputa" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame_Zero 11/04/22 12:00:38 PM #20: |
DeadBankerDream posted... This seems weird but more than anything, the fact that they thought so much about the detail of "geographical """realism"""" makes me even less interested in the game than I was. It looks and sounds so boring.The setting is the only thing I'm iffy about. It looks fun and very promising, but I just don't like full-on high fantasy settings. Even the more fantasy-focused FFs had some amount of basic technology in them. --- ...I think I'm done here... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 11/04/22 12:01:28 PM #21: |
He implied that it's story related. So maybe it's a racist country? --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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teep_ 11/04/22 12:03:25 PM #22: |
Jiek_Fafn posted... He implied that it's story related. So maybe it's a racist country?That wouldn't mean no PoC, that would mean that the PoC present are all in inferior positions --- Grind. Future. A beautiful star. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeggetaX 11/04/22 12:06:00 PM #23: |
Oh come on guys are we really tryna call Square racist though? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys ... Copied to Clipboard!
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teep_ 11/04/22 12:09:11 PM #24: |
VeggetaX posted... Oh come on guys are we really tryna call Square racist though?They have the right to make whatever game they want, with whatever characters they want. I, personally, dislike the perpetuation of the myth "mediaeval Europe was only made up of white people" is all --- Grind. Future. A beautiful star. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmericaTheBrave 11/04/22 12:16:15 PM #25: |
Questionmarktarius posted... tl;dr: "We're Japanese, piss off!" That's pretty much what it is. "Your Western PC-ness has no power here." --- https://imgur.com/h74Kc6W ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kimbos_Egg 11/04/22 12:17:23 PM #26: |
teep_ posted... "mediaeval Europe was only made up of white people" .. you could probably count on a single hand foreign outsiders who weren't traders in medieval europe... --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thx1138 11/04/22 12:18:57 PM #27: |
CARRRNE_ASADA posted... Yoshida is very eloquent. They also probably thought theyd get more shit for putting token minorities and it wasnt worth the hassle in the age of twitter trying to cancel you if things are not 100% how they want it to be --- There ain't nothing to it but to do it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AirFresh 11/04/22 12:19:12 PM #28: |
AmericaTheBrave posted... That's pretty much what it is. "Your Western PC-ness has no power here."I don't think that's what he was saying at all. If anything you can tell he's put a lot of thought into the setting and this is the conclusion that came from it and even further explained how rich and diverse the world at large is which you can see in Final Fantasy Tactics, 11, 14, etc. Isolation seems to be a big theme of the story in 16. --- Don't Stress, Become #Fresh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmericaTheBrave 11/04/22 12:20:13 PM #29: |
Funkydog posted... I wonder how people would react to the fact that medieval Europe had BAME people in it and not just white people. Sounds like revisionist history. Before the Age of Exploration, the amount of non-whites in Medieval Europe didn't climb more than .1%. --- https://imgur.com/h74Kc6W ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 11/04/22 12:22:23 PM #30: |
This man and his team have worked unbelievably hard to make final fantasy XIV a massive success, a game that has an incredible amount of racial and ethnic diversity. He's worked hard to earn the opportunity to run a mainline final fantasy. Can we not do this to him? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AirFresh 11/04/22 12:25:21 PM #31: |
s0nicfan posted... This man and his team have worked unbelievably hard to make final fantasy XIV a massive success, a game that has an incredible amount of racial and ethnic diversity.Which is why a game set in the same world will get questions like this. In no way do I think this was some attempt at gotcha journalism. Both the question and the answer were pretty well articulated. --- Don't Stress, Become #Fresh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ricemills 11/04/22 12:27:02 PM #33: |
i don't trust him. the game probably actually has a black character but he hid it for surprise. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skype 11/04/22 12:27:12 PM #34: |
CyricZ posted... Well when you explain it like that... Is a pretty acceptable answer, yeah. --- Dead websight ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 11/04/22 12:27:45 PM #36: |
It's so weird that this has become an issue that needs to be brought up all the time. Not every story needs to represent the global population. We've had and still have countries with mostly homogeneous populations. As long as it's not pressure from corporate to erase the creative team's input, nobody should really give a fuck. Personally, I'd probably toss in a few traveler NPCs here and there if we're talking about a setting with open travel, but that also opens up the potential need to create lore based around other countries as well. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/04/22 12:29:19 PM #37: |
Nemu posted... but that also opens up the potential need to create lore based around other countries as well.or, you know, a sequel hook ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KhlavicLanguage 11/04/22 12:29:40 PM #38: |
seems reasonable ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarthGoomba 11/04/22 12:30:41 PM #39: |
What a complete joke of a response I can't believe people actually praise this guy so much, just because he made a mediocre WoW clone --- https://i.imgur.com/m6Rgs8D.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qUMZhdW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LACtH6q.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AirFresh 11/04/22 12:32:42 PM #40: |
MarthGoomba posted... What a complete joke of a responseHow was his response a joke response? And how is yours not? People love Final Fantasy XIV, to call it a mediocre WoW clone already shows that you're going to be disingenuous. --- Don't Stress, Become #Fresh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmericaTheBrave 11/04/22 12:33:11 PM #41: |
AirFresh posted... I don't think that's what he was saying at all. If anything you can tell he's put a lot of thought into the setting and this is the conclusion that came from it and even further explained how rich and diverse the world at large is which you can see in Final Fantasy Tactics, 11, 14, etc. Isolation seems to be a big theme of the story in 16. What I meant is that only the West (especially US and UK) are obsessed with making sure "everybody is represented" in every setting regardless of it makes sense or not. Japan isn't. They're still following the philosophy of "this is a medieval European fantasy setting so obviously only European people are in it." And there's nothing wrong with that. --- https://imgur.com/h74Kc6W ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 11/04/22 12:34:17 PM #42: |
I'm not sure I understand the argument of "FFXIV is diverse, therefore FFXVI doesn't have to be". --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meestermj 11/04/22 12:36:06 PM #43: |
Removing the "medieval europe" side of things, i can absolutrly see their reasoning. They wanted to make and portray X land, in X way. Their vision of this land is an incredibly isolated, cut off, likely xenophobic land. It has some story significance for being that way, and exists within a diverse world. --- Psn: beastlytoast Left-handed fire-slapsies leave me feeling confused about life. - Merydia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KhlavicLanguage 11/04/22 12:36:30 PM #44: |
can we examine how pressing our 2022 american standards for diversity onto a country that is 99.99% ethnically homogeneous might be problematic in itself or is that further down the terminally-online twitter reply chain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MixedRaceBaby 11/04/22 12:37:16 PM #45: |
CyricZ posted... I'm not sure I understand the argument of "FFXIV is diverse, therefore FFXVI doesn't have to be".Im just trying to say yoshi p is not racist hes a god --- For the mixed race babies! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 11/04/22 12:37:28 PM #46: |
KhlavicLanguage posted... a country that is 99.99% ethnically homogeneousHow do you think that happened? MixedRaceBaby posted... Im just trying to say yoshi p is not racistI think this is a bit compromised of a stance. Y'know I was originally going to say in the previous post "FFXIV is a good game, so FFXVI doesn't have to be diverse", but I honestly thought it would be hyperbolic and no one would argue from that direction. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 11/04/22 12:38:29 PM #47: |
I mean, on the topic of FF14, this is the same guy who explained why it made sense when Y'shtola started to have lighter skin in later expansions. So I'm not entirely surprised by this. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 11/04/22 12:39:01 PM #48: |
CyricZ posted... How do you think that happened?What, like Iceland, where the vikings were the only people to bother going there? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 11/04/22 12:39:06 PM #49: |
KhlavicLanguage posted... can we examine how pressing our 2022 american standards for diversity onto a country that is 99.99% ethnically homogeneous might be problematic in itself or is that further down the terminally-online twitter reply chain We could, but cyric wanted to shitpost today. But hey, since he takes issue with an ethnically homogeneous population in a magical fictional city based in reality that's been isolated from the rest of the world for an extended period of time for story reasons, maybe he can tell us how he's upset that Wakanda doesn't have more diversity. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 11/04/22 12:39:36 PM #50: |
Questionmarktarius posted... What, like Iceland, where the vikings were the only people to bother going there?We're not talking about Iceland. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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