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CyricZ
11/04/22 11:04:27 AM
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https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-16-square-enix-interview-lore

IGN: In regards to diversity in the game, can we expect to see Black characters in Final Fantasy XVI, or people of color (non-white characters) in general? To clarify a bit more, theres been discussion around the trailers to date featuring mostly white characters, and I wanted to get clarity on whether we can expect the final game to be more diverse.

Naoki Yoshida, Producer: This is a difficult question, but not one that was unexpected, seeing as diversity in entertainment media has become a much-discussed topic as of late. The answer I have, however, may end up being disappointing to some depending on individual expectations.

Our design concept from the earliest stages of development has always heavily featured medieval Europe, incorporating historical, cultural, political, and anthropological standards that were prevalent at the time. When deciding on a setting that was best suited to the story we wanted to tellthe story of a land beset by the Blightwe felt that rather than create something on a global scale, it was necessary to limit the scope it to a single landmass one geographically and culturally isolated from the rest of the world in an age without airplanes, television, or telephones.

Due to the underlying geographical, technological, and geopolitical constraints of this setting, Valisthea was never going to realistically be as diverse as say a modern-day Earth...or even Final Fantasy XIV that has an entire planet (and moon) worth of nations, races, and cultures at its disposal. The isolated nature of this realm, however, does end up playing a large part in the story and is one of the reasons Valistheas fate is tied to the rest of the world.

Ultimately, we felt that while incorporating ethnic diversity into Valisthea was important, an over-incorporation into this single corner of a much larger world could end up causing a violation of those narrative boundaries we originally set for ourselves. The story we are telling is fantasy, yes, but it is also rooted in reality.

Well when you explain it like that...

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Questionmarktarius
11/04/22 11:05:42 AM
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tl;dr: "We're Japanese, piss off!"
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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/04/22 11:08:03 AM
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Yoshida is very eloquent. They also probably thought theyd get more shit for putting token minorities and it wasnt worth the hassle in the age of twitter trying to cancel you if things are not 100% how they want it to be.


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VeggetaX
11/04/22 11:15:19 AM
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Square are a bunch of Euroboos.

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11/04/22 11:15:32 AM
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coo

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Guns_of_Verdun
11/04/22 11:17:20 AM
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Honestly they have no obligation to put anything into their games

But "We can't make our FANTASY game have non white peeople because reality medievil England didn't." is such bullshit and they know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syLPNzV8gD4

Christ Final Fantasy 9 had goddamn fish people in it

I wish there just honest and said "We don't care"


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Funkydog
11/04/22 11:19:03 AM
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I wonder how people would react to the fact that medieval Europe had BAME people in it and not just white people.

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creativerealms
11/04/22 11:21:01 AM
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That could just as easily be a yes as a no. It was a lot of words saying nothing.

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MixedRaceBaby
11/04/22 11:21:15 AM
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FF14 has scientists that Black bunny girls with blonde hair and sunglasses.

I think he's good

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Gamespoht
11/04/22 11:21:45 AM
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Sounds the same excuse fromsoft fans use since there's like zero diversity outside of CaC

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PowerOats
11/04/22 11:22:01 AM
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Bahamut is Black
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DipDipDiver
11/04/22 11:23:08 AM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Honestly they have no obligation to put anything into their games

But "We can't make our FANTASY game have non white peeople because reality medievil England didn't." is such bullshit and they know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syLPNzV8gD4

Christ Final Fantasy 9 had goddamn fish people in it

I wish there just honest and said "We don't care"
I agree completely. He obviously put a lot of thought into his response but it's still a cop out
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Rharyx211
11/04/22 11:51:58 AM
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All he had to say was "no" lmao.

Dude said "there can't be Black people in Europe because there weren't planes yet."

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teep_
11/04/22 11:52:38 AM
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Funkydog posted...
I wonder how people would react to the fact that medieval Europe had BAME people in it and not just white people.


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DeadBankerDream
11/04/22 11:55:13 AM
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This seems weird but more than anything, the fact that they thought so much about the detail of "geographical """realism"""" makes me even less interested in the game than I was. It looks and sounds so boring.

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PBusted
11/04/22 11:56:59 AM
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Good thing I'm sticking with Fire Emblem and Triangle Strategy. PS5 owners can have their modern FFs.
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DeadBankerDream
11/04/22 11:58:20 AM
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PBusted posted...
Good thing I'm sticking with Fire Emblem and Triangle Strategy. PS5 owners can have their modern FFs.
Dedue would be a great Lex Luthor.

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BaphometFlux
11/04/22 11:58:33 AM
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Such a bad answer , he would have been better saying I dont want to.

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Hayame_Zero
11/04/22 12:00:38 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
This seems weird but more than anything, the fact that they thought so much about the detail of "geographical """realism"""" makes me even less interested in the game than I was. It looks and sounds so boring.
The setting is the only thing I'm iffy about. It looks fun and very promising, but I just don't like full-on high fantasy settings. Even the more fantasy-focused FFs had some amount of basic technology in them.

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Jiek_Fafn
11/04/22 12:01:28 PM
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He implied that it's story related. So maybe it's a racist country?

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teep_
11/04/22 12:03:25 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
He implied that it's story related. So maybe it's a racist country?
That wouldn't mean no PoC, that would mean that the PoC present are all in inferior positions

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VeggetaX
11/04/22 12:06:00 PM
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Oh come on guys are we really tryna call Square racist though?

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teep_
11/04/22 12:09:11 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Oh come on guys are we really tryna call Square racist though?
They have the right to make whatever game they want, with whatever characters they want. I, personally, dislike the perpetuation of the myth "mediaeval Europe was only made up of white people" is all

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AmericaTheBrave
11/04/22 12:16:15 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
tl;dr: "We're Japanese, piss off!"

That's pretty much what it is. "Your Western PC-ness has no power here."

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Kimbos_Egg
11/04/22 12:17:23 PM
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teep_ posted...
"mediaeval Europe was only made up of white people"


.. you could probably count on a single hand foreign outsiders who weren't traders in medieval europe...

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thx1138
11/04/22 12:18:57 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Yoshida is very eloquent. They also probably thought theyd get more shit for putting token minorities and it wasnt worth the hassle in the age of twitter trying to cancel you if things are not 100% how they want it to be




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AirFresh
11/04/22 12:19:12 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
That's pretty much what it is. "Your Western PC-ness has no power here."
I don't think that's what he was saying at all. If anything you can tell he's put a lot of thought into the setting and this is the conclusion that came from it and even further explained how rich and diverse the world at large is which you can see in Final Fantasy Tactics, 11, 14, etc. Isolation seems to be a big theme of the story in 16.

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AmericaTheBrave
11/04/22 12:20:13 PM
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Funkydog posted...
I wonder how people would react to the fact that medieval Europe had BAME people in it and not just white people.

Sounds like revisionist history. Before the Age of Exploration, the amount of non-whites in Medieval Europe didn't climb more than .1%.

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s0nicfan
11/04/22 12:22:23 PM
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This man and his team have worked unbelievably hard to make final fantasy XIV a massive success, a game that has an incredible amount of racial and ethnic diversity. He's worked hard to earn the opportunity to run a mainline final fantasy. Can we not do this to him?

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AirFresh
11/04/22 12:25:21 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
This man and his team have worked unbelievably hard to make final fantasy XIV a massive success, a game that has an incredible amount of racial and ethnic diversity.
Which is why a game set in the same world will get questions like this. In no way do I think this was some attempt at gotcha journalism. Both the question and the answer were pretty well articulated.

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Ricemills
11/04/22 12:27:02 PM
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i don't trust him. the game probably actually has a black character but he hid it for surprise.

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Skype
11/04/22 12:27:12 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Well when you explain it like that...

Is a pretty acceptable answer, yeah.

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Nemu
11/04/22 12:27:45 PM
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It's so weird that this has become an issue that needs to be brought up all the time. Not every story needs to represent the global population. We've had and still have countries with mostly homogeneous populations. As long as it's not pressure from corporate to erase the creative team's input, nobody should really give a fuck. Personally, I'd probably toss in a few traveler NPCs here and there if we're talking about a setting with open travel, but that also opens up the potential need to create lore based around other countries as well.
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Questionmarktarius
11/04/22 12:29:19 PM
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Nemu posted...
but that also opens up the potential need to create lore based around other countries as well.
or, you know, a sequel hook
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KhlavicLanguage
11/04/22 12:29:40 PM
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seems reasonable
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MarthGoomba
11/04/22 12:30:41 PM
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What a complete joke of a response

I can't believe people actually praise this guy so much, just because he made a mediocre WoW clone


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AirFresh
11/04/22 12:32:42 PM
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MarthGoomba posted...
What a complete joke of a response

I can't believe people actually praise this guy so much, just because he made a mediocre WoW clone
How was his response a joke response? And how is yours not? People love Final Fantasy XIV, to call it a mediocre WoW clone already shows that you're going to be disingenuous.

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AmericaTheBrave
11/04/22 12:33:11 PM
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AirFresh posted...
I don't think that's what he was saying at all. If anything you can tell he's put a lot of thought into the setting and this is the conclusion that came from it and even further explained how rich and diverse the world at large is which you can see in Final Fantasy Tactics, 11, 14, etc. Isolation seems to be a big theme of the story in 16.

What I meant is that only the West (especially US and UK) are obsessed with making sure "everybody is represented" in every setting regardless of it makes sense or not. Japan isn't. They're still following the philosophy of "this is a medieval European fantasy setting so obviously only European people are in it." And there's nothing wrong with that.

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CyricZ
11/04/22 12:34:17 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the argument of "FFXIV is diverse, therefore FFXVI doesn't have to be".

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meestermj
11/04/22 12:36:06 PM
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Removing the "medieval europe" side of things, i can absolutrly see their reasoning.

They wanted to make and portray X land, in X way.
Their vision of this land is an incredibly isolated, cut off, likely xenophobic land.
It has some story significance for being that way, and exists within a diverse world.

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KhlavicLanguage
11/04/22 12:36:30 PM
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can we examine how pressing our 2022 american standards for diversity onto a country that is 99.99% ethnically homogeneous might be problematic in itself or is that further down the terminally-online twitter reply chain
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MixedRaceBaby
11/04/22 12:37:16 PM
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CyricZ posted...
I'm not sure I understand the argument of "FFXIV is diverse, therefore FFXVI doesn't have to be".
Im just trying to say yoshi p is not racist

hes a god

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CyricZ
11/04/22 12:37:28 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
a country that is 99.99% ethnically homogeneous
How do you think that happened?

MixedRaceBaby posted...
Im just trying to say yoshi p is not racist

hes a god
I think this is a bit compromised of a stance.

Y'know I was originally going to say in the previous post "FFXIV is a good game, so FFXVI doesn't have to be diverse", but I honestly thought it would be hyperbolic and no one would argue from that direction.

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Rharyx211
11/04/22 12:38:29 PM
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I mean, on the topic of FF14, this is the same guy who explained why it made sense when Y'shtola started to have lighter skin in later expansions. So I'm not entirely surprised by this.

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Questionmarktarius
11/04/22 12:39:01 PM
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CyricZ posted...
How do you think that happened?
What, like Iceland, where the vikings were the only people to bother going there?
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s0nicfan
11/04/22 12:39:06 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
can we examine how pressing our 2022 american standards for diversity onto a country that is 99.99% ethnically homogeneous might be problematic in itself or is that further down the terminally-online twitter reply chain

We could, but cyric wanted to shitpost today. But hey, since he takes issue with an ethnically homogeneous population in a magical fictional city based in reality that's been isolated from the rest of the world for an extended period of time for story reasons, maybe he can tell us how he's upset that Wakanda doesn't have more diversity.

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CyricZ
11/04/22 12:39:36 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
What, like Iceland, where the vikings were the only people to bother going there?
We're not talking about Iceland.

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