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NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 12:01:06 AM #1:	Maruki Maruki did nothing wrong Maruki did everything wrong Maruki - Results (49 votes) Maruki did nothing wrong 40.82% (20 votes) 20 Maruki did everything wrong 59.18% (29 votes) 29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8z07I1fzbQ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/5/AAfWzKAAD0WN.jpg --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968976606] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote> Maruki Maruki did nothing wrong Maruki did everything wrong Vote View Results Maruki - Results (49 votes) Maruki did nothing wrong 40.82% (20 votes) 20 Maruki did everything wrong 59.18% (29 votes) 29 Show Voting Form function poll_vote() { var vote_option = $("input[name='poll_vote']:checked").val(); if(!vote_option) return; $.ajax({ type: 'POST', url: '/ajax/forum_poll_vote', data: { option: vote_option, board: '400', topic: '80210423', message: '0', key: '16983251' }, success: function(response) { if(response.error) { alert(response.error); } else { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").html(response.html).show(); } } }); } function view_results_legacy() { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").show(); } function hide_results_legacy() { $("#poll_results").hide(); $("#poll_vote").show(); } https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8z07I1fzbQ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/5/AAfWzKAAD0WN.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 7:35:29 AM #2:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/3/AAfWzKAAD0Yr.jpg --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968980660] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/3/AAfWzKAAD0Yr.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 10/26/22 7:39:23 AM #3:	What kind of bullshit poll is this? Where is the option for he did somethings right and somethings wrong? <cite>Number090684 posted [p:968980702] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>What kind of bullshit poll is this? Where is the option for he did somethings right and somethings wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 7:41:04 AM #4:	Number090684 posted... What kind of bullshit poll is this? Where is the option for he did somethings right and somethings wrong? All or nothing! No bullshit fence-sitting in my poll! --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968980727] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Number090684 posted... </cite><quote>What kind of bullshit poll is this? Where is the option for he did somethings right and somethings wrong?</quote>All or nothing! No bullshit fence-sitting in my poll!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/26/22 7:43:24 AM #5:	I have zero clue who this character is and I played the game. He dlc or something? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:968980757] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>I have zero clue who this character is and I played the game. He dlc or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DB_Insider 10/26/22 7:44:50 AM #6:	Whoa spoiler dude! --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/179741-omega-labyrinth/79814320 <cite>DB_Insider posted [p:968980779] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Whoa spoiler dude!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerseusRad 10/26/22 7:48:10 AM #7:	He ended up changing things for how he thought they should end up, essentially. Its been a while, but he basically forced some random guy to drop one of his interests. Tennis, maybe? He wasnt good, but he essentially stole away the opportunity for him to ever get better, or at least try to. Its things like that make him wrong, even if he did make things better. Essentially, the issue is that hes just a man, he shouldnt be able to decide what is best for everyone. Maybe if he individually asked every single person how their life should go, and choose whether to change things, itd be okay. But instead he forced it on everyone --- http://i.imgur.com/EUkIomS.jpg <cite>PerseusRad posted [p:968980809] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>He ended up changing things for how he thought they should end up, essentially. Its been a while, but he basically forced some random guy to drop one of his interests. Tennis, maybe? He wasnt good, but he essentially stole away the opportunity for him to ever get better, or at least try to. Its things like that make him wrong, even if he did make things better.Essentially, the issue is that hes just a man, he shouldnt be able to decide what is best for everyone. Maybe if he individually asked every single person how their life should go, and choose whether to change things, itd be okay. But instead he forced it on everyone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 7:52:50 AM #8:	PerseusRad posted... He ended up changing things for how he thought they should end up, essentially. Its been a while, but he basically forced some random guy to drop one of his interests. Tennis, maybe? He wasnt good, but he essentially stole away the opportunity for him to ever get better, or at least try to. Its things like that make him wrong, even if he did make things better. Essentially, the issue is that hes just a man, he shouldnt be able to decide what is best for everyone. Maybe if he individually asked every single person how their life should go, and choose whether to change things, itd be okay. But instead he forced it on everyone That is a good point. But wouldn't the Phantom Thieves also be guilty of that? >_> It's not like their targets were gonna change their heart on their own anyway. They sorta forced them by beating up their shadow or whatever --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968980841] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>PerseusRad posted... </cite><quote>He ended up changing things for how he thought they should end up, essentially. Its been a while, but he basically forced some random guy to drop one of his interests. Tennis, maybe? He wasnt good, but he essentially stole away the opportunity for him to ever get better, or at least try to. Its things like that make him wrong, even if he did make things better.Essentially, the issue is that hes just a man, he shouldnt be able to decide what is best for everyone. Maybe if he individually asked every single person how their life should go, and choose whether to change things, itd be okay. But instead he forced it on everyone</quote>That is a good point. But wouldn't the Phantom Thieves also be guilty of that? >_> It's not like their targets were gonna change their heart on their own anyway. They sorta forced them by beating up their shadow or whatever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 10/26/22 8:18:53 AM #9:	cuttin_in_farm posted... I have zero clue who this character is and I played the game. He dlc or something? Takuto Maruki is a NPC character exclusive to Persona 5 Royal and wasn't in the original Persona 5. Maruki's storyline and main purpose in the story will only be added to the end of the original main story, altering it, if you have been visiting him throughout the game and max out(10) his Councillor confidant rank before the 11/18 deadline. Another requirement for eventually unlocking this additional storyline is that you also have to obtain the first 5 ranks of Sumire Yoshizawa's Faith confidant before the 12/22 deadline. If don't meet these requirements you'll mostly just get the ending of the original Persona 5. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:968981169] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>I have zero clue who this character is and I played the game. He dlc or something?</quote>Takuto Maruki is a NPC character exclusive to Persona 5 Royal and wasn't in the original Persona 5. Maruki's storyline and main purpose in the story will only be added to the end of the original main story, altering it, if you have been visiting him throughout the game and max out(10) his Councillor confidant rank before the 11/18 deadline. Another requirement for eventually unlocking this additional storyline is that you also have to obtain the first 5 ranks of Sumire Yoshizawa's Faith confidant before the 12/22 deadline. If don't meet these requirements you'll mostly just get the ending of the original Persona 5.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 10/26/22 8:20:09 AM #10:	If you mind control people are you really doing something bad if they aren't aware they're being mind controlled? --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:968981185] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>If you mind control people are you really doing something bad if they aren't aware they're being mind controlled?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 10/26/22 8:31:47 AM #11:	He was in the wrong, though his intentions were good. Forcing people to live in a reality you deem best for them without their consent is wrong. Sure, you could argue that some people were happier, but at the end of the day Maruki doesnt have the right to decide whats best for everyone. --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:968981336] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>He was in the wrong, though his intentions were good. Forcing people to live in a reality you deem best for them without their consent is wrong. Sure, you could argue that some people were happier, but at the end of the day Maruki doesnt have the right to decide whats best for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 2:08:59 PM #12:	bump --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968987809] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 10/26/22 2:24:15 PM #13:	Don't sleep through dreams that can come true. No more tears shall drop from your cheeks anymore. You won't need to strive for greatness. Believe in me so won't have to suffer from anything. --- "I dreamt I was a moron." <cite>Strider102 posted [p:968988100] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Don't sleep through dreams that can come true. No more tears shall drop from your cheeks anymore. You won't need to strive for greatness. Believe in me so won't have to suffer from anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 10/26/22 2:33:09 PM #14:	While his efforts were rooted in altruism, his grief at his girlfriend's death lead to him gaining a God complex. He unilaterally decided nobody should have to work for or struggle at any point in their life. You should be happy all the time. Not good at something? Don't struggle at it - just stop doing it. He basically created a pocket dimension where he was god. That was the issue; he took basic autonomy away from everyone. The phantom thieves corrected selfish and destructive personalities, but only after they had proven themselves to be inherently bad people. Maruki decided that no one should be allowed to be bad at all. All controlled by him. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:968988278] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>While his efforts were rooted in altruism, his grief at his girlfriend's death lead to him gaining a God complex. He unilaterally decided nobody should have to work for or struggle at any point in their life. You should be happy all the time. Not good at something? Don't struggle at it - just stop doing it. He basically created a pocket dimension where he was god. That was the issue; he took basic autonomy away from everyone. The phantom thieves corrected selfish and destructive personalities, but only after they had proven themselves to be inherently bad people. Maruki decided that no one should be allowed to be bad at all. All controlled by him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 10/26/22 2:35:14 PM #15:	She didn't die --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:968988329] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>She didn't die</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 10/26/22 2:36:40 PM #16:	Irony posted... She didn't die She did for all intents and purposes. He couldn't fix what was wrong with her, so he decided to erase her memories of their time together using cognitive psience. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:968988356] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>She didn't die</quote>She did for all intents and purposes. He couldn't fix what was wrong with her, so he decided to erase her memories of their time together using cognitive psience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 10/26/22 2:39:35 PM #17:	No he unintentionally altered her memories when his powers awakened. Her losing her memories of him was a side effect. Losing her memories and being dead are the same thing lol. --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:968988410] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>No he unintentionally altered her memories when his powers awakened. Her losing her memories of him was a side effect. Losing her memories and being dead are the same thing lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 10/26/22 2:41:22 PM #18:	Alucard188 posted... She did for all intents and purposes. He couldn't fix what was wrong with her, so he decided to erase her memories of their time together using cognitive psience. Eheh I was gonna say keeping that knowledge (cognitive psience) to yourself is not a good thing... --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:968988449] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>She did for all intents and purposes. He couldn't fix what was wrong with her, so he decided to erase her memories of their time together using cognitive psience.</quote>Eheh I was gonna say keeping that knowledge (cognitive psience) to yourself is not a good thing...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 10/26/22 2:46:54 PM #19:	Irony posted... No he unintentionally altered her memories when his powers awakened. Her losing her memories of him was a side effect. Losing her memories and being dead are the same thing lol. His powers awoke, he used them to alter the traumatic event in his girlfriend's life to break her out of PTSD, and it removed all memories of him in her mind. She was "fixed", but the cost was his to bear. He became a martyr. "I feel unfathomable pain, so no one else should suffer." --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:968988551] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>No he unintentionally altered her memories when his powers awakened. Her losing her memories of him was a side effect. Losing her memories and being dead are the same thing lol.</quote>His powers awoke, he used them to alter the traumatic event in his girlfriend's life to break her out of PTSD, and it removed all memories of him in her mind. She was "fixed", but the cost was his to bear. He became a martyr. "I feel unfathomable pain, so no one else should suffer."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 10/26/22 6:18:48 PM #20:	If everyone was happy and they didn't know their old memories and dreams were gone would it really be that bad? That said, the biggest problem Maruki had was that he did not have the ability to truly carry his plan out. Obviously the Phantom Thieves broke out of the illusion he created, but even random NPCs started questioning what the hell is going on when he starts bending reality (such as the little girl with the dead dog and the hobo). Even if you accept Maruki's reality and his plan supposedly comes into full effect, the game heavily implies Joker still knows things aren't quite right in that ending. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:968993336] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>If everyone was happy and they didn't know their old memories and dreams were gone would it really be that bad? That said, the biggest problem Maruki had was that he did not have the ability to truly carry his plan out. Obviously the Phantom Thieves broke out of the illusion he created, but even random NPCs started questioning what the hell is going on when he starts bending reality (such as the little girl with the dead dog and the hobo). Even if you accept Maruki's reality and his plan supposedly comes into full effect, the game heavily implies Joker still knows things aren't quite right in that ending. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 6:20:09 PM #21:	YellowSUV posted... (such as the little girl with the dead dog and the hobo) I mustve missed this. What happened here? --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968993367] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted... </cite><quote>(such as the little girl with the dead dog and the hobo)</quote>I mustve missed this. What happened here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/26/22 6:21:12 PM #22:	Also, it does work out in the "bad" ending for Maruki. I think Joker only knows because he willingly accepted it while everyone else was opposed to it and had to be brainwashed --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:968993388] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Also, it does work out in the "bad" ending for Maruki. I think Joker only knows because he willingly accepted it while everyone else was opposed to it and had to be brainwashed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 10/26/22 6:24:36 PM #23:	NeonOctopuses posted... I mustve missed this. What happened here? If I recall, the little girl realizes that her dog should be dead and the hobo wonders why everyone is acting so weird. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:968993466] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>NeonOctopuses posted... </cite><quote>I mustve missed this. What happened here?</quote>If I recall, the little girl realizes that her dog should be dead and the hobo wonders why everyone is acting so weird. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 10/26/22 6:28:21 PM #24:	Alucard188 posted... While his efforts were rooted in altruism, his grief at his girlfriend's death lead to him gaining a God complex. He unilaterally decided nobody should have to work for or struggle at any point in their life. You should be happy all the time. Not good at something? Don't struggle at it - just stop doing it. He basically created a pocket dimension where he was god. That was the issue; he took basic autonomy away from everyone. The phantom thieves corrected selfish and destructive personalities, but only after they had proven themselves to be inherently bad people. Maruki decided that no one should be allowed to be bad at all. All controlled by him. This. He wasn't making a perfect world. He was making what he pictured a perfect world to be. Basically imposing his will onto everyone else and changing their memories, so that they accepted it. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:968993551] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>While his efforts were rooted in altruism, his grief at his girlfriend's death lead to him gaining a God complex. He unilaterally decided nobody should have to work for or struggle at any point in their life. You should be happy all the time. Not good at something? Don't struggle at it - just stop doing it. He basically created a pocket dimension where he was god. That was the issue; he took basic autonomy away from everyone. The phantom thieves corrected selfish and destructive personalities, but only after they had proven themselves to be inherently bad people. Maruki decided that no one should be allowed to be bad at all. All controlled by him.</quote>This. He wasn't making a perfect world. He was making what he pictured a perfect world to be. Basically imposing his will onto everyone else and changing their memories, so that they accepted it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 10/26/22 6:30:49 PM #25:	NeonOctopuses posted... That is a good point. But wouldn't the Phantom Thieves also be guilty of that? >_> It's not like their targets were gonna change their heart on their own anyway. They sorta forced them by beating up their shadow or whatever Yeah but they were bad people in power who were purposefully making lives around them worse (along with one person who willingly wanted it changed). Even then there were questions if it was the right thing overall. The issue was it just isn't going to work on a grand scale. His logic was that no one should experience hardship, disappointment and suffering but sometimes people need to go through those things to reach their full potential and make us who we are. What he created was a house of cards illusion with no substance behind it. If he stuck with using it as a therapy treatment then yeah maybe that would have been a better path. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:968993619] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>NeonOctopuses posted... </cite><quote>That is a good point. But wouldn't the Phantom Thieves also be guilty of that? >_> It's not like their targets were gonna change their heart on their own anyway. They sorta forced them by beating up their shadow or whatever</quote>Yeah but they were bad people in power who were purposefully making lives around them worse (along with one person who willingly wanted it changed). Even then there were questions if it was the right thing overall. The issue was it just isn't going to work on a grand scale. His logic was that no one should experience hardship, disappointment and suffering but sometimes people need to go through those things to reach their full potential and make us who we are. What he created was a house of cards illusion with no substance behind it. If he stuck with using it as a therapy treatment then yeah maybe that would have been a better path. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crimsoness 10/26/22 6:31:50 PM #26:	The entire premise of Persona 5 is extremely off-putting tbh --- CrimsonAngel's alt <cite>Crimsoness posted [p:968993647] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>The entire premise of Persona 5 is extremely off-putting tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 10/26/22 6:41:26 PM #27:	Punished_Blinx posted... Yeah but they were bad people in power who were purposefully making lives around them worse (along with one person who willingly wanted it changed). Even then there were questions if it was the right thing overall. The issue was it just isn't going to work on a grand scale. His logic was that no one should experience hardship, disappointment and suffering but sometimes people need to go through those things to reach their full potential and make us who we are. What he created was a house of cards illusion with no substance behind it. If he stuck with using it as a therapy treatment then yeah maybe that would have been a better path. And then we saw that guys like Goro (and even Joker) rejected the reality, because there's a big difference between what Maruki thinks is best for everyone, and what actually is. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:968993844] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Punished_Blinx posted... </cite><quote>Yeah but they were bad people in power who were purposefully making lives around them worse (along with one person who willingly wanted it changed). Even then there were questions if it was the right thing overall. The issue was it just isn't going to work on a grand scale. His logic was that no one should experience hardship, disappointment and suffering but sometimes people need to go through those things to reach their full potential and make us who we are. What he created was a house of cards illusion with no substance behind it. If he stuck with using it as a therapy treatment then yeah maybe that would have been a better path.</quote>And then we saw that guys like Goro (and even Joker) rejected the reality, because there's a big difference between what Maruki thinks is best for everyone, and what actually is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/27/22 3:18:53 PM #28:	bump --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:969013121] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 10/27/22 3:23:58 PM #29:	It is basically the ~~law route~~ --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:969013215] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>It is basically the law route </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkBuster22904 10/27/22 3:51:27 PM #30:	There's also a fundamental difference in what he was doing vs the phantom thieves. The phantom thieves wood go to work on their target's shadow, ultimately swaying it and causing it to return to its host. The final change of heart would then be catalyzed in the palaces collapse. The shadow, however, was intrinsically a part of the person in question; they are, at the end of tge day, reflections of the deepest part of the person's psyche. All the phantom thieves were doing was appealing to and stimulating qualities that already existed in their targets. It stimulated change from within, without controlling for who the person would be on the other side. It also didn't change the world around them. If they did bad shit, it was still there when they hit their point of revelation, and they'd have to own up to it. All the thieves are really doing is breaking down the mental blocks people put up to dissociate themselves from their actions. What they do afterward is up to them. Maruki's work was both external and artificial. He's not waking people up to who they are, revealing their inner potential, or inspiring any actual growth. He's changing outside circumstances so things just... work. He's not teaching anybody to be strong or move on after the death of a loved one; he just gives them back. He's not actually solving for any corruption, so much as hiding the circumstances in which it might appear. And he does it in really convoluted ways. Some struggling artist would make a better archer? Rewrite their whole life, against their will. Futaba blames herself for her mom's death? Give mom back. Smile blames herself for Kasumi's death? OBLITERATE HER LIFE AND TURN HER INTO HER DEAD SISTER. Hos methods have nothing to do with who these people are, what's good for them, or even what they actually want; it's about just giving them what they ask for in the immediate moment, damn the consequences. And it doesn't work. The fact that Sumire still exists under the Kasumi mask is proof positive that all he's doing is painting over shit that still exists underneath. And Akechi, that bastard makes it abundantly clear that he'd much rather be dead than reduced to some saccharine smiling puppet; but guess what he gets in the bad ending. There's enough differences for me to pretty positively differentiate the Thieves and Maruki, and say pretty definitively that Maruki was wrong. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 <cite>DarkBuster22904 posted [p:969013811] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>There's also a fundamental difference in what he was doing vs the phantom thieves.The phantom thieves wood go to work on their target's shadow, ultimately swaying it and causing it to return to its host. The final change of heart would then be catalyzed in the palaces collapse. The shadow, however, was intrinsically a part of the person in question; they are, at the end of tge day, reflections of the deepest part of the person's psyche. All the phantom thieves were doing was appealing to and stimulating qualities that already existed in their targets. It stimulated change from within, without controlling for who the person would be on the other side. It also didn't change the world around them. If they did bad shit, it was still there when they hit their point of revelation, and they'd have to own up to it. All the thieves are really doing is breaking down the mental blocks people put up to dissociate themselves from their actions. What they do afterward is up to them.Maruki's work was both external and artificial. He's not waking people up to who they are, revealing their inner potential, or inspiring any actual growth. He's changing outside circumstances so things just... work. He's not teaching anybody to be strong or move on after the death of a loved one; he just gives them back. He's not actually solving for any corruption, so much as hiding the circumstances in which it might appear.And he does it in really convoluted ways. Some struggling artist would make a better archer? Rewrite their whole life, against their will. Futaba blames herself for her mom's death? Give mom back. Smile blames herself for Kasumi's death? OBLITERATE HER LIFE AND TURN HER INTO HER DEAD SISTER. Hos methods have nothing to do with who these people are, what's good for them, or even what they actually want; it's about just giving them what they ask for in the immediate moment, damn the consequences. And it doesn't work. The fact that Sumire still exists under the Kasumi mask is proof positive that all he's doing is painting over shit that still exists underneath. And Akechi, that bastard makes it abundantly clear that he'd much rather be dead than reduced to some saccharine smiling puppet; but guess what he gets in the bad ending.There's enough differences for me to pretty positively differentiate the Thieves and Maruki, and say pretty definitively that Maruki was wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerseusRad 10/27/22 4:07:48 PM #31:	I appreciate you bringing up the artist -> archer thing. I was thinking tennis and had forgotten the exact deal --- http://i.imgur.com/EUkIomS.jpg <cite>PerseusRad posted [p:969014176] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>I appreciate you bringing up the artist -> archer thing. I was thinking tennis and had forgotten the exact deal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flaming_Fire619 10/27/22 4:22:36 PM #32:	Yeah. If people seriously say that Maruki was right, they forget most of his Palace. There's an entire part where you see thar Maruki's inner self doesn't give a shit what you think is best for you. If he doesn't agree you get sent to "rehabilitation" which is just brain washing. He was Yaldaboth with the veneer of charity. He was just another hyper controller with a God complex that was interested in removing the free will of humanity to make himself feel better and improved --- Not changing until Shelton Benjamin wins the WHC Started: Jan. 10. 2009 http://myanimelist.net/profile/fantheflames <cite>Flaming_Fire619 posted [p:969014516] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. If people seriously say that Maruki was right, they forget most of his Palace. There's an entire part where you see thar Maruki's inner self doesn't give a shit what you think is best for you. If he doesn't agree you get sent to "rehabilitation" which is just brain washing. He was Yaldaboth with the veneer of charity. He was just another hyper controller with a God complex that was interested in removing the free will of humanity to make himself feel better and improved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tappor 10/27/22 4:31:41 PM #33:	Bad actions that stemmed from good intentions --- I only come here when I'm at work http://error1355.com/ce/Tappor.html <cite>Tappor posted [p:969014758] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Bad actions that stemmed from good intentions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 10/27/22 5:18:24 PM #34:	DarkBuster22904 posted... And it doesn't work. The fact that Sumire still exists under the Kasumi mask is proof positive that all he's doing is painting over shit that still exists underneath. And Akechi, that bastard makes it abundantly clear that he'd much rather be dead than reduced to some saccharine smiling puppet; but guess what he gets in the bad ending. Even in the good ending, they can't help but give you a tantalizing bit of what? Goro Akechi's reflection? Did he survive the suicide bit in the yacht dungeon? Is it bleed over from Maruki's influence? A cohabitation of Joker's psyche, visible only to Joker? Did they elaborate on that as anything other than fan service? --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:969015778] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>DarkBuster22904 posted... </cite><quote>And it doesn't work. The fact that Sumire still exists under the Kasumi mask is proof positive that all he's doing is painting over shit that still exists underneath. And Akechi, that bastard makes it abundantly clear that he'd much rather be dead than reduced to some saccharine smiling puppet; but guess what he gets in the bad ending. </quote>Even in the good ending, they can't help but give you a tantalizing bit of what? Goro Akechi's reflection? Did he survive the suicide bit in the yacht dungeon? Is it bleed over from Maruki's influence? A cohabitation of Joker's psyche, visible only to Joker? Did they elaborate on that as anything other than fan service?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/27/22 5:22:40 PM #35:	You only get that Akechi cutscene during the ending if you max out his ranking. So...maybe? --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:969015859] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>You only get that Akechi cutscene during the ending if you max out his ranking. So...maybe?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkBuster22904 10/27/22 5:38:35 PM #36:	Alucard188 posted... Even in the good ending, they can't help but give you a tantalizing bit of what? Goro Akechi's reflection? Did he survive the suicide bit in the yacht dungeon? Is it bleed over from Maruki's influence? A cohabitation of Joker's psyche, visible only to Joker? Did they elaborate on that as anything other than fan service? Never elaborated, but there's a lot of strange shit in that ending. That weirdly ominous moment where joker sees his phantom thief self in the window reflection comes to mind. It's pretty clear atlus is planning... something, moving forward. Personally, I like to think that the akechi bit, where he's flanked by two other guys, is (whole series spoilers, I guess) him being retrieved by the Kirijo group. The Arena games show Mitsuru has been keeping tabs on and (at least with Naoto) recruiting persona users. SEES is well aware of personas bleeding into reality, and the Phantom Thieves weren't exactly making themselves subtle (Shido Broadcast, anyone?). They're based in Tokyo, so there's no way the Jaldabaoth business escaped their notice; to say nothing of any new realities Maruki would have made for them. And considering we close out The Answer with SEES pledging to fins a way to change the cognition of the world, so as to free Door-kun... and considering that's literally EXACTLY what the phantom thieves are able to do... makes sense she'd make some effort to acquire one. And, being a very high ranking member of society, I can easily see her having had some connection or access to Shido; as a result, Shido's metaverse errand boy would have been first on her list. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 <cite>DarkBuster22904 posted [p:969016200] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>Even in the good ending, they can't help but give you a tantalizing bit of what? Goro Akechi's reflection? Did he survive the suicide bit in the yacht dungeon? Is it bleed over from Maruki's influence? A cohabitation of Joker's psyche, visible only to Joker? Did they elaborate on that as anything other than fan service?</quote>Never elaborated, but there's a lot of strange shit in that ending. That weirdly ominous moment where joker sees his phantom thief self in the window reflection comes to mind. It's pretty clear atlus is planning... something, moving forward.Personally, I like to think that the akechi bit, where he's flanked by two other guys, is (whole series spoilers, I guess) him being retrieved by the Kirijo group. The Arena games show Mitsuru has been keeping tabs on and (at least with Naoto) recruiting persona users. SEES is well aware of personas bleeding into reality, and the Phantom Thieves weren't exactly making themselves subtle (Shido Broadcast, anyone?). They're based in Tokyo, so there's no way the Jaldabaoth business escaped their notice; to say nothing of any new realities Maruki would have made for them.And considering we close out The Answer with SEES pledging to fins a way to change the cognition of the world, so as to free Door-kun... and considering that's literally EXACTLY what the phantom thieves are able to do... makes sense she'd make some effort to acquire one. And, being a very high ranking member of society, I can easily see her having had some connection or access to Shido; as a result, Shido's metaverse errand boy would have been first on her list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 10/27/22 5:40:14 PM #37:	Flaming_Fire619 posted... Yeah. If people seriously say that Maruki was right, they forget most of his Palace. There's an entire part where you see thar Maruki's inner self doesn't give a shit what you think is best for you. If he doesn't agree you get sent to "rehabilitation" which is just brain washing. He was Yaldaboth with the veneer of charity. He was just another hyper controller with a God complex that was interested in removing the free will of humanity to make himself feel better and improved Yaldaboth = 1984 Maruki = Brave New World --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:969016234] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Flaming_Fire619 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah. If people seriously say that Maruki was right, they forget most of his Palace. There's an entire part where you see thar Maruki's inner self doesn't give a shit what you think is best for you. If he doesn't agree you get sent to "rehabilitation" which is just brain washing. He was Yaldaboth with the veneer of charity. He was just another hyper controller with a God complex that was interested in removing the free will of humanity to make himself feel better and improved</quote>Yaldaboth = 1984Maruki = Brave New World</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/28/22 3:46:17 PM #38:	bump --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:969037472] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 10/28/22 3:48:05 PM #39:	What he did to Sumire is a prime example of how he doesnt actually know whats best for anyone. Sumire had an inferiority complex when compared to her sister topped off with survivors guilt over Kasumis death. Rather than help Sumire address her inferiority complex and forgive herself for her sisters tragic demise, he simply erases her completely and turns her into Kasumi. Sure, Sumire consented to it, but she was way too young and emotionally vulnerable to fully comprehend what she was doing. And when she learned the truth about who she really was? It only added MORE trauma to what was already there. Maruki did nothing to help her. He only made her situation worse in every way. He had no interest in helping her grow and mature as a person. His solution was to basically put a cheap bandage on top of her trauma and consider it healed. Sumire was just a microcosm of what he did to society as a whole. --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:969037504] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>What he did to Sumire is a prime example of how he doesnt actually know whats best for anyone. Sumire had an inferiority complex when compared to her sister topped off with survivors guilt over Kasumis death. Rather than help Sumire address her inferiority complex and forgive herself for her sisters tragic demise, he simply erases her completely and turns her into Kasumi. Sure, Sumire consented to it, but she was way too young and emotionally vulnerable to fully comprehend what she was doing.And when she learned the truth about who she really was? It only added MORE trauma to what was already there. Maruki did nothing to help her. He only made her situation worse in every way. He had no interest in helping her grow and mature as a person. His solution was to basically put a cheap bandage on top of her trauma and consider it healed.Sumire was just a microcosm of what he did to society as a whole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mad-Dogg 10/28/22 3:51:55 PM #40:	cuttin_in_farm posted... I have zero clue who this character is and I played the game. He dlc or something? Its massive spoilers for the royal version of persona 5. Probably should have put persona 5 royal in the title for this topic. Definitely one of those topics that makes me feel glad that I beat the game being talked about ages ago or else I would be pretty pissed, lol. --- GTag:MadDogg730 PSN:lMadDogg NNID:xMadDoggx More peeps on gamefaqs need to try the indie game cyber shadow. It gives NES era ninja gaiden vibes, which is cool. <cite>Mad-Dogg posted [p:969037582] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>I have zero clue who this character is and I played the game. He dlc or something?</quote>Its massive spoilers for the royal version of persona 5. Probably should have put persona 5 royal in the title for this topic.Definitely one of those topics that makes me feel glad that I beat the game being talked about ages ago or else I would be pretty pissed, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/28/22 5:30:38 PM #41:	My bad. I didnt think to do that --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:969039561] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>My bad. I didnt think to do that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silverpine 10/28/22 5:32:44 PM #42:	he was a bad character and his story was basic, boring, and predictable and somehow he was still the best new content in royal by a mile <cite>silverpine posted [p:969039622] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>he was a bad character and his story was basic, boring, and predictable and somehow he was still the best new content in royal by a mile </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopuses 10/28/22 5:47:25 PM #43:	You didnt like Royal? --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOctopuses posted [p:969039913] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>You didnt like Royal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ricemills 10/31/22 6:59:57 AM #45:	should've titled Persona 5 Royal spoilers since he's not in the vanilla version. and yes, there's people who've played P5 but not P5R. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:969092763] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>should've titled Persona 5 Royal spoilers since he's not in the vanilla version.and yes, there's people who've played P5 but not P5R.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aubrieta 10/31/22 7:13:13 AM #46:	Ricemills posted... and yes, there's people who've played P5 but not P5R. me... --- fly away, fly high... to the birds, this is freedom!~ <cite>Aubrieta posted [p:969092860] in Did *Perso... [t:80210423]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite><quote>and yes, there's people who've played P5 but not P5R.</quote>me...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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