Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 6 - Link Monsters were a mistake Edition

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ViolentAbacus
10/18/22 5:29:51 PM
#51:


I try to be conservative with my vote, so that's no problem.

BCT could you explain why you feel so strongly on Sultan, other than the fact that he called you scum on day 1?

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:33:26 PM
#52:


I mean I'm cool with mass today too. Like I know the idea is hold info from scum but I do legitimately think having hb help us talk through claims is probably more useful than what marginal upgrade we get from keeping the few unclaimed unclaimed especially since Sultan "accidentally" claimed yesterday

But we lost bus and doc. If Hb doesn't get killed that's great

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 5:33:57 PM
#53:


Lopen posted...
You believed Hb's claim though did you not?
He wasn't countered. And he still wasn't countered D3. And nobody's countering him now.

I also wanted to remind people of this:
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I'm not claiming.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Tribrigade town Vanilla
Posts 60 and 308 in topic 5. Sultan went from "I'm not claiming" to claiming vanilla. I DO want an explanation for that, Sultan.

Abacus, that's why I'm currently feeling so strongly on Sultan. There's also that he keeps going after me constantly and keeps justifying it by using no evidence, just his own biases. He's closed-minded and that's harmful behavior to town. Sultan, if you're town, I do expect an apology when this is all said and done.

Lopen posted...
Also it's funny he says "I" when answering a question about "scum"

Perspective slip !!!
No. You're grasping at straws.

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:35:22 PM
#54:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Posts 60 and 308 in topic 5. Sultan went from "I'm not claiming" to claiming vanilla. I DO want an explanation for that, Sultan.

Yes

That's the big reason it's you and Sultan. Sultan does not hesitate to claim so strongly as vanilla. I pointed this out yesterday though. You get no credit for bussing.

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Hbthebattle
10/18/22 5:36:03 PM
#55:


Day 1:
[7] SBell - (IGCD), (Red), (Poppy), BCT, Poppy, Chang, Han, Peaf, Ctes, Hb
[5] ctes - (Han), (Lopen), (Peaf), Red, Lopen, (Hb), Ben, Sbell, Red
[1] Chang - (Han), (Ben), (Sultan), Corrik, (Ben)
[1] Ben - (Lopen), (BCT), (Kirby), Kirby, (Lopen), (Peaf)
[1] BCT - (Sultan), Sultan, (Sbell)
[0] Han - (BCT), (Lopen), (Sbell)
[0] Kirby - (Poppy), (Lopen)
[0] Abacus - (Lopen), (BCT), (Ben)
[0] Corrik - (Chang)
[0] Poppy - (Corrik)
[0] Peaf - (Ctes), (SBell), (Kirby)
[0] Red - (Poppy)
[0] Sultan - (Lopen), (BCT)

Day 2:
[7] ctes - Han, (Lopen), Lopen, Abacus, poppy, Sultan, Kirby, HB
[2] Chang - Ben, Ctes
[2] Ben - (Kirby), (Kirby), (Kirby), Chang, BCT
[1] Poppy - Peaf
[0] Lopen - (HB), (Kirby), (Kirby), (BCT)
[0] Peaf - (BCT)
[0] HB - (Peaf), (Ben), (Lopen)
[0] Ben - (Kirby)
[0] Han - (Lopen)
[0] BCT - (Sultan)
[0] Sultan - (BCT)

Day 3:
[6] Ben - HB, (Kirby), BCT, Lopen, Kirby, Peaf, Ben
[1] HB - (Ben)
[0] Kirby - (Kirby)
[0] Lopen - (BCT)

BCT - 450 Gold
Chang - 350 Gold
HB - 500 Gold
Kirby - 450 Gold
Lopen - 450 Gold
Poppy - 400 Gold
Sultan - 350 Gold
Abacus - 350 Gold

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:39:08 PM
#56:


Looks right

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:43:04 PM
#57:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
He wasn't countered. And he still wasn't countered D3. And nobody's countering him now.

I'm saying if you believed hb day 2 then there would be no reason to believe a day cop was in the game and hence no reason to get another crossout

I did not believe hb day 2, and thought a day cop was in the game (and thought it was Sultan and thought he would likely scan me given how he talked about me day 2)

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Kirby321
10/18/22 5:45:00 PM
#58:


ViolentAbacus posted...
The interesting thing being that Ben may really not have lied about being busdriven around

It suddenly makes a lot more sense now why Peaf was so damn sure Ben wasn't lying about the bus.

And with Ben flipping Roleblocker, makes a lot more sense why Hb got a scan. Peaf must have switched Hb with someone else.

Refreshing the page on mobile and keeping my post intact is pretty much impossible, so I'm gonna use my laptop real quick to make sure no one else has already stated what I was going to say.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 5:47:29 PM
#59:


Lopen posted...
That's the big reason it's you and Sultan. Sultan does not hesitate to claim so strongly as vanilla. I pointed this out yesterday though. You get no credit for bussing.
...huh? Why would I get credit for something I'm literally not doing? You're not making any sense.

Do you honestly believe that Sultan and I are scum together? Like why would we have tunnel vision on each other for so much of the game if we were teammates? It would get old, and it would take quite the acting job to pull off. I can assure you I am not acting.

Hbthebattle posted...
BCT - 450 Gold
This is correct for me. I will volunteer that I have 250 left. My only purchases were the Crosspots N1 and N2, which has cost scum 250 gems so it's a net positive.

Lopen posted...
I'm saying if you believed hb day 2 then there would be no reason to believe a day cop was in the game and hence no reason to get another crossout
There was still the possibility of a day cop at that point in time if HB was lying. While I believed him, I wasn't anywhere near as certain as I am now. If there IS a day cop, that person needs to claim and explain why it took them so long with another claim in the picture.

It also served as bait for scum anyway so it's a moot point, and proves nothing regarding my alignment.

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:52:18 PM
#60:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Do you honestly believe that Sultan and I are scum together? Like why would we have tunnel vision on each other for so much of the game if we were teammates? It would get old, and it would take quite the acting job to pull off. I can assure you I am not acting.

I believe you're godfather and Sultan is really bad at playing Usurper. It makes more sense than Sultan making that strong of a soul read on you as a vanilla. I have more reason to think both of you are scum and will build my case as the day goes

My only annoyance is this means Kirby is town and has been saying I don't make sense as his legitimate feelings (despite multiple town confirmed disagreeing with him) and not as some sort of tactic. That makes me sad.

Anyway does anyone who has knowledge of yugioh have a good flavor pairing for the godfather Usurper combo though.

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:53:47 PM
#61:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
This is correct for me. I will volunteer that I have 250 left. My only purchases were the Crosspots N1 and N2, which has cost scum 250 gems so it's a net positive.

This is scummy btw. I was able to check the math on every player on 3 minutes. Why only check yourself and avoid same timing your cash

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Lopen
10/18/22 5:57:50 PM
#62:


BCT how sure were you hb was cop day 2. Like do you recall a percentage in your head for him being cop vs lying? Or a specific thing that had you believing him (or doubting him?)

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 6:00:33 PM
#63:


Lopen posted...
I believe you're godfather and Sultan is really bad at playing Usurper.
Coming from who could be the actual usurper, that's rich! Seriously, how would you know that such a rare role exists in this game?

Lopen posted...
This is scummy btw. I was able to check the math on every player on 3 minutes. Why only check yourself and avoid same timing your cash
Actually, it's quite towny, because I freely offered information that can help town reach a conclusion. Information that people would note is consistent with literally everything else I've said.

Lopen posted...
BCT how sure were you hb was cop day 2. Like do you recall a percentage in your head for him being cop vs lying? Or a specific thing that had you believing him (or doubting him?)
My doubt was a theory, since discarded, that someone else could've been cop (a day cop at that) but was holding out until D3 as to get one more scan off before claiming. Once that didn't happen, I was more certain, and I certainly wouldn't buy a counter-claim now.

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:02:41 PM
#64:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Lopen, Sultan, and Poppy

OR

Lopen, HB, and Abacus

This is interesting

Does BCT name me + his scummates in one and me + Hb + hb's town scan in the other?

Note BCT and Sultan both try to case doubt on hb still being alive today too

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:04:18 PM
#65:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
My doubt was a theory, since discarded, that someone else could've been cop (a day cop at that) but was holding out until D3 as to get one more scan off before claiming. Once that didn't happen, I was more certain, and I certainly wouldn't buy a counter-claim now.

How much doubt would you say that was, reasonably? Were you at all convinced by me trying to get us to lynch hb day 2?

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 6:05:19 PM
#66:


Lopen posted...
This is interesting

Does BCT name me + his scummates in one and me + Hb + hb's town scan in the other?

Note BCT and Sultan both try to case doubt on hb still being alive today too
What scummates? Do you mean yours?

And I am shocked that scum let HB live. That's it.

You are really desperate to win the game for scum today, aren't you?

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Kirby321
10/18/22 6:11:38 PM
#67:


Hbthebattle posted...
actually, I have an idea. Instead of a mass, let's have everyone report their finances.

I like this idea. I'm also okay with claiming as well, but we can hold off on that tomorrow.

Hbthebattle posted...
Kirby - 450 Gold

This would be right, but I also bought into the Pot of Greed + Crossout Designator meta like a fool, so I'm down 100 Gems >_> In hindsight, Hb being Cop really should've made it clear there wasn't a Day Cop, but I just thought there had to be some purpose for the combo. The fact that it seems to be a complete red herring is frustrating, because now that means I can't use any trap cards without Lightning Storm'ing my own trap.

Speaking of Lightning Storm (at least, I presume it's Lightning Storm if I read the cards right), what's up with BCT and Lopen's traps getting destroyed? That seems really odd.

Lopen posted...
I believe you're godfather and Sultan is really bad at playing Usurper. It makes more sense than Sultan making that strong of a soul read on you as a vanilla. I have more reason to think both of you are scum and will build my case as the day goes

My only annoyance is this means Kirby is town and has been saying I don't make sense as his legitimate feelings (despite multiple town confirmed disagreeing with him) and not as some sort of tactic. That makes me sad.

Anyway does anyone who has knowledge of yugioh have a good flavor pairing for the godfather Usurper combo though.

You still don't make sense. Godfather is an okay conclusion, but what the fuck are you on thinking that Usurper is in this setup?

Like... seriously, I really don't believe that you're not doing this stuff on purpose. Why should anyone here waste their time making up flavors for Godfather + Usurper combos when that has absolutely no bearing on this discussion for such a ludicrous theory.

Lopen posted...
This is scummy btw. I was able to check the math on every player on 3 minutes. Why only check yourself and avoid same timing your cash

That isn't scummy in the slightest. Anyone can do basic kindergarten math. It's obvious BCT went for the Pot of Greed + Crossout Designator combo twice in a row. His trap got activated the first time, and he put up another trap the next day, so it's a pretty reasonable conclusion that he went for the same combo twice.

Also, just to be clear, we're all lynching Poppy today, right? Anyone besides Hb should take off their votes. Unless there's any (silly) doubt that Hb is Cop, there is no reason to place your vote this early unless you're scum and are trying to mooch off Gems from Poppy's eventual corpse.

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:15:47 PM
#68:


So here is stuff you can remove from your POE. Completely.

3. HBtheBattle - cop
6. Poppy - scum scanned
8. ViolentAbacus - scanned by cop town, if gf HB is killed to town confirm, thus not gf

BCT still suggesting that hb + abacus can be scum at start of day shows he is not thinking about the game and is scum. Like I refuse to believe anyone at all humors abacus as scum at this point. Any amount of thought shows that at lylo you kill the cop and win.

1. BCT - scum. Claimed scum multiple times pretty much.

Leaving

2. Changmas
4. Kirby
5. Lopen
7. Sultan

So Chang/Kirby how can I convince you the last one is Sultan here.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 6:20:49 PM
#69:


Lopen posted...
BCT still suggesting that hb + abacus can be scum at start of day shows he is not thinking about the game and is scum
No, it's proposing theories that are still viable. That could be a team if scum thought Ben was dead regardless of what HB said and threw him to the wolves. It's very unlikely.

You're the one not actually thinking about the game OR my posts. And you're ALSO the one who claimed scum. I've never once claimed scum, nor have I lied this game. I'm town. Lying is harmful to town unless it's to toy with scum like you, Lopen.

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:21:32 PM
#70:


Ok that last post has me think maybe it's Kirby

Ugh

This is hard

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:21:54 PM
#71:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
No, it's proposing theories that are still viable

Hey Kirby why are you not calling him insane here

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 6:22:44 PM
#72:


Lopen posted...
Hey Kirby why are you not calling him insane here

BlueCrystalTear posted...
It's very unlikely.


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Lopen
10/18/22 6:24:00 PM
#73:


It is 0% likely. Literally 0%. Scum night kills hb and Abacus wins them the game. That's how the game plays out if Abacus is gf

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 6:27:59 PM
#74:


Lopen posted...
It is 0% likely. Literally 0%. Scum night kills hb and Abacus wins them the game. That's how the game plays out if Abacus is gf
Oh, so you're saying that, in this scenario, scum would kill one of their own members? Gotcha.

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:28:59 PM
#75:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Oh, so you're saying that, in this scenario, scum would kill one of their own members? Gotcha.

So you think hb is possibly scum then?

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/18/22 6:30:28 PM
#76:


The reason I didn't claim right away was I was still trying to throw scum off to make them think I was Day cop to draw something maybe a roleblock or a kill and stopped when it was obvious I was not fay cop

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Kirby321
10/18/22 6:32:49 PM
#77:


Hb is Cop. That's indisputable. The odds of him being scum are possible but crackpot-levels of unlikely.

Abacus being Godfather is not out of the equation, but I'd rather focus on potential guilty scans than sussing the scanned townies. The odds of scum having more than one Godfather is unlikely.

So BCT is insane for even considering the possibility, but he hasn't been making a show out of it unlike a certain someone else :P

You (Lopen), Sultan, and Poppy is a very reasonable conclusion from his perspective. Though I'm only sold on you and Poppy. Not quite sure who the last scum would be just yet.

Does anyone know if Chang has a theater degree? Because if not, then the natural PoE has to be between BCT and Sultan... and I'm honestly not sure who it could be. I will say that I'm leaning town on Sultan more than I am BCT, but the possibility of Abacus being Godfather is gnawing at the back of my mind. Ugh.

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:33:59 PM
#78:


BCT hypothetical. Let's just say for the sake of argument that I've thrown you into an omgus loop and that's making you play bad which is making me misread you as scum

Assume hb is town because there is no way he's scum
Assume Poppy is scum as a result
Assume abacus is town as a result

Who are the remaining two scum and why. You can't pick me because in my hypothetical we're both town that have thrown each other off.

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:35:10 PM
#79:


Kirby321 posted...
but the possibility of Abacus being Godfather is gnawing at the back of my mind. Ugh.

Ok

Kirby is scum

Kirby and BCT call it

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:35:51 PM
#80:


Sorry Sultan

Please try to convince people I'm right

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:38:54 PM
#81:


Let me explain

Kirby321 posted...
Hb is Cop. That's indisputable. The odds of him being scum are possible but crackpot-levels of unlikely.

This is fine. However if you're actually thinking about the game and accept hb is town, you realize that we were at lylo and scum intentionally avoided killing hb. If Abacus is gf, they absolutely kill him without remorse. It's a slam dunk.

Kirby321 posted...
but the possibility of Abacus being Godfather is gnawing at the back of my mind. Ugh.

Town never says these two statements in the same post. Never.

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TheSultanOfSlam
10/18/22 6:39:05 PM
#82:


Lopen posted...
Sorry Sultan

Please try to convince people I'm right

Lopen posted...
Sorry Sultan

Please try to convince people I'm right

I mean I am town and I was away so I tried to create some discreption some how but fine lopen think I am scum

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:39:52 PM
#83:


Note also in his POEs Kirby avoids suspecting BCT

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:40:54 PM
#84:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I mean I am town and I was away so I tried to create some discreption some how but fine lopen think I am scum

I said I'm sorry!

You're town!

Scum is Kirby and BCT! Both because their thoughts on hb's townliness state show they're not trying to solve the game.

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Hbthebattle
10/18/22 6:42:16 PM
#85:


Alright, let's think about this logically. Considering the flipped town roles, we're probably looking at a ninja/GF/extra (unblockable?) kill? What's the feasibility on everyone buying ghost belle and/or monster reborn?

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Lopen
10/18/22 6:42:48 PM
#86:


Man

Han had both of these two against the wall and then backed off because he randomly decided to get town reads on them for dumb reasons

I eagerly await Han barking like a dog and kneeling before my mafia superiority

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Hbthebattle
10/18/22 6:45:14 PM
#87:


Lopen posted...
This is fine. However if you're actually thinking about the game and accept hb is town, you realize that we were at lylo and scum intentionally avoided killing hb. If Abacus is gf, they absolutely kill him without remorse. It's a slam dunk.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think they might have been betting on there being some users who would have slaughtered me if I claimed blocked. What threw them off is that I wasn't.

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10/18/22 6:45:45 PM
#88:


Oh man

Ghost Belle

My man

Hell yeah. I could not afford it last night but can tonight.

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10/18/22 6:45:50 PM
#89:


Lopen posted...
Let me explain

This is fine. However if you're actually thinking about the game and accept hb is town, you realize that we were at lylo and scum intentionally avoided killing hb. If Abacus is gf, they absolutely kill him without remorse. It's a slam dunk.

Town never says these two statements in the same post. Never.

???
I'm sorry for sounding like a broken record, but that makes absolutely no sense.

How does Abacus being Godfather relate at all to killing the Cop instantly "without remorse"?

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10/18/22 6:46:56 PM
#90:


Hbthebattle posted...
I don't think that's necessarily true. I think they might have been betting on there being some users who would have slaughtered me if I claimed blocked. What threw them off is that I wasn't.

I'm saying if Abacus is gf you town confirm him and that's your late game ace. 100%. You don't risk trying to sick me on you. It's just really bad play to do that.

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10/18/22 6:49:49 PM
#91:


Kirby321 posted...
How does Abacus being Godfather relate at all to killing the Cop instantly "without remorse"?

People will believe the town scan on abacus if the cop flips

It's just bad play to not kill the cop there. Also Ben was setting him up as a lynch.

There is just too much benefit to killing hb if Abacus is gf.

Also I'm going to stress that mislynch on hb is only plausible if I'm town. You honestly think scum team thinks I'm able to convince 3 town that hb is scum? It's a terrible play unless I'm town and only need to convince 1.

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Hbthebattle
10/18/22 6:49:50 PM
#92:


Lopen posted...
I'm saying if Abacus is gf you town confirm him and that's your late game ace. 100%. You don't risk trying to sick me on you. It's just really bad play to do that.
Lopen, let's be honest. If Ben didn't shit himself trying to counter you'd STILL be on me, lol.

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10/18/22 6:53:19 PM
#93:


Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen, let's be honest. If Ben didn't shit himself trying to counter you'd STILL be on me, lol.

Maybe. I actually force the mass there and it comes down to you and which scum fakeclaims cop.

But my point is if I'm dumb town the play is viable due to needing to convince only one person you're scum. If I'm scum the play is not due to needing to convince more people

Surely you see my logic there right?

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Kirby321
10/18/22 6:54:09 PM
#94:


Lopen posted...
People will believe the town scan on abacus if the cop flips

It's just bad play to not kill the cop there. Also Ben was setting him up as a lynch.

There is just too much benefit to killing hb if Abacus is gf.

Also I'm going to stress that mislynch on hb is only plausible if I'm town. You honestly think scum team thinks I'm able to convince 3 town that hb is scum? It's a terrible play unless I'm town and only need to convince 1.

How can you make this argument when you literally said this:

Lopen posted...
Scum doesn't know Peaf's mechanics only that their roleblock got redirected

Scum has roleblocker
Hb claimed Cop
Ben was roleblocker
Ben roleblocked Hb
Scum killed Han
Peaf bus drove Hb
Ben's roleblock missed
Hb's scan went off

Like, now that the cards are all on the table, it makes 100% sense why scum kept Hb alive if they had a roleblocker on their side. They couldn't have known that Peaf was bus driver.

Wtf is this backward logic to try and pin me as scum lmao

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10/18/22 6:59:18 PM
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Like, now that the cards are all on the table, it makes 100% sense why scum kept Hb alive if they had a roleblocker on their side. They couldn't have known that Peaf was bus driver.

Of course not

But they did know that doc was dead and cop was legitimate. Why risk exposing scum by leaving hb on the board. If abacus is scum gf you rb + kill him imo

Because town will play the percentages on that. When you have a town scan it's like over 10x as likely to be town. Abacus coasts if it even gets that far.

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Lopen
10/18/22 7:01:45 PM
#96:


Why RB + kill? Because there are too many ways to stop a kill. It's not just busdriver. So if he's alive you want to keep that as a backup

If hb flips town with just a town scan on your gf that's the easiest win of the game ever

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Lopen
10/18/22 7:04:41 PM
#97:


And I'm sorry for armchair quarterbacking your team and saying you played it poorly but you kinda did

Too many ways to get hosed getting greedy like that

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Town RB

You and Poppy being scum makes a lot of sense now because you both clearly think little of my play and that I'd blindly lynch town cop who claims roleblocked without having mass claim first (when Sultan doesn't claim daycop I'm suddenly believing hb)

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Kirby321
10/18/22 7:05:17 PM
#98:


Lopen posted...
Of course not

But they did know that doc was dead and cop was legitimate. Why risk exposing scum by leaving hb on the board. If abacus is scum gf you rb + kill him imo

Because town will play the percentages on that. When you have a town scan it's like over 10x as likely to be town. Abacus coasts if it even gets that far.

There is no risk. You roleblock the Cop, they can't do shit. Roleblock the Cop and take pot shots at town in hopes of hitting power. We've seen those kinds of tactics before in previous games.

This is not that complicated, Lopen. Whether Abacus is Godfather or not has nothing to do with scum getting cocky and not predicting Bus Driver Peaf with the clutch save.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/22 7:22:12 PM
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The fact that Lopen continues to pursue me this relentlessly makes it pretty clear we're not scum together, right? I'm town and I know this. Lopen is scum. He keeps changing gears trying to see what works and it's only making him self-destruct.

Also if Lopen isn't scum, it's probably Sultan and either Abacus (godfather) or Chang, but I doubt Abacus is GF. I really doubt that HB is scum, too - like I said, it's very unlikely, but still a hypothetically possible scenario.

And you're right, Lopen. I am a bad player. That's because this is my first full game as town in forever. As scum, I was able to play up the "help me I don't know what I'm doing" con game and am still amazed at how I pulled that off. I'm doing nothing of the sort here.

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Lopen
10/18/22 7:25:36 PM
#100:


So I will say that now that I no longer think BCT and Sultan are paired that of the two Kirby is more likely the GF by far

The big reason is that I think day 2 when BCT speculated that Sultan was day cop that was legitimately a perspective slip and that slip only occurs if BCT scans scum.

But yeah I think a mesh of watch traps will be a solid play here.

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