Current Events > Why do people think "far left" isn't a thing?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

uhh are we on the same message board?

An American message board, full of Americans who live in a country where left representation is almost completely nonexistent? Yes, we are on Current Events on GamFAQs

TotACon posted...

Seriously?

actual democracy can't really exist under capitalism, but I generally expect that people interested in this are familiar with the term "social democracy" and what it entails, so I use it for convenience

"Haha Venezuela, am I right fellow new users?"

averagejoel posted...

actual democracy can't really exist under capitalism

Capitalism isn't the reason actual democracy doesn't exist in modern times.

averagejoel posted...

I generally expect that people interested in this are familiar with the term "social democracy" and what it entails, so I use it for convenience

Pretentious and wrong. Lovely.

Venezuela is one of the least democratic states in the west. How many Venezuelans have you talked to recently?

You spun this topic off of another topic that blamed the left for Chile not getting their more progressive constitution. Absolute clown show.

MrMallard posted...

You spun this topic off of another topic that blamed the left for Chile not getting their more progressive constitution. Absolute clown show.

Whose fault was it?

I'm about to go to sleep, but here's my take:

In the lead-up to the referendum, American media outlets like the Wall Street Journal and other financial review publications put out thinkpieces on why the new constitution would be bad. A big part of this was Chile being able to nationalise their own resources, producing and selling it at home and setting their own prices, which go against American interests.

There was a right-wing push to paint that constitutional reform in a negative light, if not at home then abroad, and that colored the narrative in a way that could have easily swayed the referendum within Chile. Maybe the government didn't have enough of a backbone or whatever word vomit you keep gargling up in whatever dogshit topics you keep posting. But it certainly isn't the only factor, and I find it more likely that the people who opposed the constitutional change and sought to manipulate the narrative - who tend to be right wing - are the people who let down the Chilean people in favour of getting fucked in the ass by some foreign oil magnate.

Saying that, the gist of my comment comes from you doubling down on this idea of a lazy, ineffective Leftist bourgeois who let their countrymen down with a combination of incompetence and malice. I find it hard to believe your take on anything when I've only ever seen you die on the stupidest fucking hills for the sake of lumping yourself with other drooling shitposters and prolonging stupid arguments, to the point of denying basic reality because acting like a chump is funny I guess.

Based on what I've seen, both of the coverage of the referendum and of your abysmal post history, I'm inclined to believe that the people responsible for the referendum going under are those with right-wing leanings. Maybe the government fucked up too - I'd be more inclined to entertain the thought if reading whatever "evidence" you had didn't make me feel like I'd sustained a concussion. Based on your word alone, I'm more inclined to believe that Chile actually doesn't exist and it's staged in Guam with crisis actors than whatever horseshit you've spun this garbage thread out of.

TotACon posted...

Capitalism isn't the reason actual democracy doesn't exist in modern times.

it's certainly a major contributing factor!

Pretentious and wrong. Lovely.

expecting adults in a political discussion to be aware of the term "social democracy" is pretentious? that's a new one

Venezuela is one of the least democratic states in the west.

1. how are you measuring that?
2. even if that is true, it doesn't negate what I said: in terms of the way the country actually functions, Venezuela is more similar to a nordic-style social democracy (i.e. capitalist with a welfare state and some social programs) than to actual socialism

MrMallard posted...

I'm about to go to sleep, but here's my take:

In the lead-up to the referendum, American media outlets like the Wall Street Journal and other financial review publications put out thinkpieces on why the new constitution would be bad. A big part of this was Chile being able to nationalise their own resources, producing and selling it at home and setting their own prices, which go against American interests.

There was a right-wing push to paint that constitutional reform in a negative light, if not at home then abroad, and that colored the narrative in a way that could have easily swayed the referendum within Chile. Maybe the government didn't have enough of a backbone or whatever word vomit you keep gargling up in whatever dogshit topics you keep posting. But it certainly isn't the only factor, and I find it more likely that the people who opposed the constitutional change and sought to manipulate the narrative - who tend to be right wing - are the people who let down the Chilean people in favour of getting fucked in the ass by some foreign oil magnate.

Saying that, the gist of my comment comes from you doubling down on this idea of a lazy, ineffective Leftist bourgeois who let their countrymen down with a combination of incompetence and malice. I find it hard to believe your take on anything when I've only ever seen you die on the stupidest fucking hills for the sake of lumping yourself with other drooling shitposters and prolonging stupid arguments, to the point of denying basic reality because acting like a chump is funny I guess.

Based on what I've seen, both of the coverage of the referendum and of your abysmal post history, I'm inclined to believe that the people responsible for the referendum going under are those with right-wing leanings. Maybe the government fucked up too - I'd be more inclined to entertain the thought if reading whatever "evidence" you had didn't make me feel like I'd sustained a concussion. Based on your word alone, I'm more inclined to believe that Chile actually doesn't exist and it's staged in Guam with crisis actors than whatever horseshit you've spun this garbage thread out of.

Wow. You know whatever this is, all this anger and hate isn't because of me, right? Regardless, what kind of "stupid hills" have I died on that wasn't a case of people like joel telling me "I'm advocating for genocide" and me saying "No I'm not"?

averagejoel posted...

it's certainly a major contributing factor!

Unregulated, maybe. That's why I advocate for regulation.

averagejoel posted...

how are you measuring that?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/09/venezuela-new-un-report-details-responsibilities-crimes-against-humanity

This is the latest I've got. Although you can just google "Venezuela democracy" and get a bunch of different articles, but I'm sure you'd put on your tinfoil hat and debunk all those as capistalist progadanga anyway.

Do you happen to know where the people affected by the Venezuelan humanitarian crisis are migrating to? Take a wild guess.

averagejoel posted...

even if that is true, it doesn't negate what I said: in terms of the way the country actually functions, Venezuela is more similar to a nordic-style social democracy (i.e. capitalist with a welfare state and some social programs) than to actual socialism

Ok, sure, Venezuela is "too right wing". What are examples of succesful "true socialist" governments in your opinion?

TotACon posted...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/09/venezuela-new-un-report-details-responsibilities-crimes-against-humanity

This is the latest I've got.

you said that "Venezuela is one of the least democratic states in the west." I asked how you are measuring that. that article does not answer my question.

Ok, sure, Venezuela is "too right wing".

that is not what I said. that is something that you made up.

TC is suspended. No need to reply to him.

Hoodroar posted...

Probably because they're far-left. Trumpers don't think far-right is a thing either.

This. Yes, there are differences in how much of a concern the far left vs the far right is right now. That doesn't fucking mean it doesn't exist.

Irony posted...

TC is suspended. No need to reply to him.

ah. I thought he had just unblocked me

"but Venezuela" did I time travel back to 2018? Did an actual fucking baboon make this topic?