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Questionmarktarius
10/06/22 1:40:15 PM
#51:


Plants pretending to be "meat" isn't going to magically convince anyone to go vegan, especially so when it costs more than bits of some dead animal.
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frozenstar
10/06/22 1:40:18 PM
#52:


I have considered it, but I just like dairy and eggs too much.

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Lairen
10/06/22 1:41:06 PM
#53:


As a non-vegan: I dont care if youre vegan or not

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FaultyCircuitry
10/06/22 1:41:21 PM
#54:


PlantBased posted...
The worst of which arguably happens in slaughterhouses.

You're advocating maximum cruelty of humans and non-human animals with this logic.

No, I'm saying that people need to be priority #1 and that the amount of people who put their weight behind animal rights while ignoring the conditions the workers suffer through need to get their priorities in line.

Better animal treatment should come as a byproduct of advocating for the working class, not the other way around.

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meestermj
10/06/22 1:42:01 PM
#55:


FaultyCircuitry posted...
Your reasons about it "stretching your budget" are wrong tho so
You don't know where I live, what cost of living is like, or what food costs are like.
So maybe shut up?
Fucking arrogant.

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K181
10/06/22 1:43:42 PM
#56:


Vegan: More people should consider veganism.
Internet: *RAGES*

More people should consider it and vegetarianism, but it's not for me.

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AP3Brain
10/06/22 1:45:32 PM
#57:


I could be vegan but I choose not to because it is inconvenient. Instead I TRY to reduce the amount of animal products I consume treating meat more like a supplement than an everyday staple.
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FaultyCircuitry
10/06/22 1:45:36 PM
#58:


meestermj posted...
You don't know where I live, what cost of living is like, or what food costs are like.
So maybe shut up?
Fucking arrogant.

Beans, rice and other non-meat sources of protein are almost universally cheaper than meat based diets.

You're just being lazy about learning to cook with less meat.

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yusiko
10/06/22 1:55:17 PM
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i want to try vegan cheese just to compare but i can never find any
the only meat replacement ive tried was an A&W impossible burger and the vegan chicken nuggets

i also ordered an uncle burger to compare it side by side with the fake meat
the impossible burger wasnt bad but i mostly just tasted the seasoning. the real burger tasted much better
i liked the vegan chicken nuggets a lot though

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Giant_Aspirin
10/06/22 1:55:28 PM
#60:


AloneIBreak posted...
My biggest concern is cost and ease. My budget is awfully tight and the family pack of chicken legs I bought the other day was less than $1.50/lb and will be impossibly easy to cook (apply seasoning, put in air fryer, press button), and will supply many meals. I suppose when I inevitably go vegan Im going to have to learn some cooking skills in the process.

the main sources of vegan protein (beans, lentils, chickpeas, tofu, etc) are super cheap. the hardest part is adjusting to using them, finding new recipes and abandoning things you've spent your entire life doing.

/r/vegan is a great resource, but some folks on there are almost too extreme even for me. i've found a number of great online resources.

https://www.budgetbytes.com/ has a lot of good recipes focused on being cheap. but she tends to revisit a lot of the same flavors across her recipes, so they get sorta "samey" after a while

https://www.vegkit.com/recipes/ this is from a vegan cooking show out of Australia. i haven't tried any of these, though (i just found this)

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Giant_Aspirin
10/06/22 1:58:36 PM
#61:


FaultyCircuitry posted...
No, I'm saying that people need to be priority #1 and that the amount of people who put their weight behind animal rights while ignoring the conditions the workers suffer through need to get their priorities in line.

i hate this "argument" against being vegan so much. if i could simply change my diet to eliminate the suffering of those people, i absolutely would. but short of literally growing all of my own food, that's not a realistic option.

just because i cant put an end to human exploitation on a global scale doesn't mean i should start contributing to the pain and suffering of animals.

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DarkBuster22904
10/06/22 2:00:11 PM
#62:


ZannoL posted...
I heard Chao cheese is a really good brand. I need to try it.

You mean this guy?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/5/AAOdzqAADwE7.png

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PlantBased
10/06/22 2:01:26 PM
#63:


FaultyCircuitry posted...
No, I'm saying that people need to be priority #1 and that the amount of people who put their weight behind animal rights while ignoring the conditions the workers suffer through need to get their priorities in line.

Better animal treatment should come as a byproduct of advocating for the working class, not the other way around.
Better animal treatment should come because they're sentient beings who deserve to live their lives free from exploitation for human profit in systems that are also destroying our planet.

I'm a socialist so I definitely respect your advocacy for workers but hamstringing veganism until some vague, indeterminate date that the workers finally get their due sounds like a cop-out to me. We can do both at the same time.

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Giant_Aspirin
10/06/22 2:02:09 PM
#64:


*claps*

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ZannoL
10/06/22 2:03:48 PM
#65:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
You mean this guy?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/5/AAOdzqAADwE7.png
lol
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FaultyCircuitry
10/06/22 2:04:13 PM
#66:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
i hate this "argument" against being vegan so much. if i could simply change my diet to eliminate the suffering of those people, i absolutely would. but short of literally growing all of my own food, that's not a realistic option.

I'm not saying it's a reason to not be vegan, but a reason why ethical veganism doesn't hold water.

Even on vegan friendly and 'organic' farming operations are rife with worker abuse.

There is no ethical consumption in a system that abuses it's workers. Trying to do so without ending the systems in place that affect workers doesn't mean anything.

It's just a way to feel good about the decision (which fine, do what makes you feel better about your choices.) It doesn't make it ethically better.

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Giant_Aspirin
10/06/22 2:05:23 PM
#67:


so causing less suffering is pointless unless you can eliminate all suffering. is that what you're saying?

FaultyCircuitry posted...
There is no ethical consumption in a system that abuses it's workers.

the world is not black and white.

surely you recognize the difference between buying a product that was produced from slave labor vs a product that was produced by a poorly paid worker? do you think those have the same ethical implications?

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FaultyCircuitry
10/06/22 2:09:51 PM
#68:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
so causing less suffering is pointless unless you can eliminate all suffering. is that what you're saying?

No, I'm saying that animal suffering is a drop in the pool compared to the need to advocate for the working class.

There is a big reason most ethical vegans are liberals. They think abstaining from something that feels bad to consume means anything. You're not contributing to a decreased demand for the products in any meaningful way.

It's a way they can feel good about something they want to not happen without having to actually do anything about the core issues at hand.

Meanwhile, the rich corporations that own the majority of farming operations are laughing on their way to the bank.

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AloneIBreak
10/06/22 2:10:00 PM
#69:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
the main sources of vegan protein (beans, lentils, chickpeas, tofu, etc) are super cheap. the hardest part is adjusting to using them, finding new recipes and abandoning things you've spent your entire life doing.
Tofu, at least the packages, seems pricey? Maybe Im misremembering. Do you have buy the beans dry and soak them or whatever? I was thinking I could make black bean burgers en masse because I love beans and nearly all veggie burgers Ive had. Mushrooms too.

The plant based attempts at being meat taste fine but dont really seem that healthy, nor are they cheap so I never bother with those. Gardein makes a really good veggie burger.

Ill check out those websites (probably not Reddit yet because I can only imagine how annoying that sub is), but I feel like Im going to need a support group with the time comes lol.

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Crescente
10/06/22 2:10:24 PM
#70:


meestermj posted...
Saying everyone should be vegan is an entirely privileged viewpoint to have.


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Gobstoppers12
10/06/22 2:12:02 PM
#71:


Lol

No

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FaultyCircuitry
10/06/22 2:12:08 PM
#72:


Until the systems in place that encourage abuse of animal and human alike are eliminated consumption is consumption. It is survival.

I'm not saying animal rights activists are wrong in their beliefs of wanting humane treatment of animals. I'm saying they're prioritizing wrong.

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Giant_Aspirin
10/06/22 2:12:15 PM
#73:


FaultyCircuitry posted...


No, I'm saying that animal suffering is a drop in the pool compared to the need to advocate for the working class.

like PlantBased said, these are not mutually exclusive by any means. i fight for both.

FaultyCircuitry posted...
You're not contributing to a decreased demand for the products in any meaningful way

you sound like one of those people who say "oh your one vote doesnt matter".

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FaultyCircuitry
10/06/22 2:13:47 PM
#74:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
like PlantBased said, these are not mutually exclusive by any means. i fight for both.

you sound like one of those people who say "oh your one vote doesnt matter".

I'm a "electoral politics don't fix anything" person.

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Giant_Aspirin
10/06/22 2:16:26 PM
#75:


AloneIBreak posted...
Tofu, at least the packages, seems pricey? Maybe Im misremembering. Do you have buy the beans dry and soak them or whatever? I was thinking I could make black bean burgers en masse because I love beans and nearly all veggie burgers Ive had. Mushrooms too.

at my local grocery (Meijer), a 16oz package of tofu is $2.49. super cheap. i usually buy canned beans and thoroughly rinse them. dried beans are cheaper, though.

AloneIBreak posted...
The plant based attempts at being meat taste fine but dont really seem that healthy, nor are they cheap so I never bother with those. Gardein makes a really good veggie burger.

the stuff like Beyond / Impossible aren't great for you -- so processed. Dr Praeger's makes good stuff, but they're like $5 for two servings. not expensive but not cheap either.

AloneIBreak posted...
Ill check out those websites (probably not Reddit yet because I can only imagine how annoying that sub is), but I feel like Im going to need a support group with the time comes lol.

ive had good results from "Veganomicon" and "Vegan Comfort Classics", as well as the America's Test Kitchen vegan cookbook.

feel free to reach out if you have questions or anything!

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BurmesePenguin
10/06/22 2:17:59 PM
#77:


Shame to hear Woody is a groomer
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Unsuprised_Pika
10/06/22 2:20:21 PM
#78:


Absolutely not.

I've cut down heavily on red meat and significantly on other meat but I still eat a lot of fish and dairy.

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ZannoL
10/06/22 2:24:04 PM
#79:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
at my local grocery (Meijer), a 16oz package of tofu is $2.49. super cheap.
Same.

I find it at Target for that exact price.
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Crescente
10/06/22 2:24:09 PM
#80:


Eggs and cheese are the best things in life. I can never say no to those. Also...the reason why vegans don't eat eggs is just...lame as heck lol.
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DarkBuster22904
10/06/22 2:33:19 PM
#81:


Crescente posted...
Eggs and cheese are the best things in life. I can never say no to those. Also...the reason why vegans don't eat eggs is just...lame as heck lol.
As is their reason for not eating honey.

I respect their position for the most part, but hard-line veganism lacks a lot of nuance that it could really stand to have. Not all animal products are intrinsically unethical.

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yusiko
10/06/22 2:35:51 PM
#82:


i saw a reddit conversation asking why vegans dont eat eggs and the reason they listed was that the chickens eat their own unfertilized eggs so we shouldnt take them from them

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BloodMoon7
10/06/22 2:40:21 PM
#83:


Technically. I mainly eat poultry and some pork. Doesn't mean I wanna be vegan tho.

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KainFourteh
10/06/22 2:41:52 PM
#84:


Haha.

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Heartomaton
10/06/22 2:58:33 PM
#85:


Nope. No one has to eat the way anyone else thinks they should.

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DyingPancake
10/06/22 3:00:42 PM
#86:


Id rather not do that

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Letron_James
10/06/22 3:02:16 PM
#87:


Vegan no thanks it seems super unhealthy and too expensive to actually be a "vegan" even if it's not I'd rather you know enjoy food.

I'd be a vegetarian easily, Vegan no thanks

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AloneIBreak
10/06/22 3:02:41 PM
#88:


Whats the reason for no honey?

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dummy420
10/06/22 3:03:38 PM
#89:


I might consider being a vegetarian but vegan is to much restriction for me. Still not likely to go vegetarian though.

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MarcyWarcy
10/06/22 3:03:59 PM
#90:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Some of y'all seem super defensive about eating meat. Kinda hilarious.

its weird because the quote in the op isnt even pushy or condenmning anyone
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Blade_Trinity
10/06/22 3:13:22 PM
#91:


Nah, meat is way too tasty. I don't really wanna end up a miserable fuck from eating shitty vegan slop.

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Beefbud
10/06/22 3:18:26 PM
#92:


lol @ people acting like eating vegan is more expensive

beans and tofu are very cheap

but also idk why people go vegan in response to factory farming, I mean you can still purchase more humanely raised meat. I don't think I would ever go 100% vegetarian/vegan but currently I only eat meat maybe once or twice a week.

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PMarth2002
10/06/22 3:19:29 PM
#93:


I don't like veggies or beans and enjoy meat and dairy too much.

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Robot2600
10/06/22 3:19:32 PM
#94:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
absolutely not, I would never go vegan. Fuck that, I need nutrients and I want to eat as naturally as I can. You cant eat naturally as a vegan, you need tons of supplements and/or fake food. Plus I just enjoy meat and dairy.

i could go vegetarian but it would involve eating 12 eggs a day. So whats the point at that point?

this is just inaccurate.

you don't need fucking supplements. in fact, most meat-eaters need to eat some damn broccoli more than anything else. some people, usually women, might get anemia from eating a shit vegetarian diet of french fries and peanut butter, but green beans, peas, lentils, all have high iron.

you don't need to eat 12 eggs either :P

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Will_VIIII
10/06/22 3:20:33 PM
#95:


If I had the space for a chest freezer I'd pick up hunting. After a couple years I'd end up saving money on red meat, unless I failed to hunt a deer one season.

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Doom_Art
10/06/22 3:21:17 PM
#96:


Honestly I'll probably try it when I get into a more comfortable position in my life. Everyone I've ever spoken to who's done it says it's a big adjustment at first but you feel loads better after.


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Lanzol
10/06/22 3:21:24 PM
#97:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
absolutely not, I would never go vegan. Fuck that, I need nutrients and I want to eat as naturally as I can. You cant eat naturally as a vegan, you need tons of supplements and/or fake food. Plus I just enjoy meat and dairy.

i could go vegetarian but it would involve eating 12 eggs a day. So whats the point at that point?

You really don't need a ton of supplements or "fake" food

Even as a meat eater you should be taking supplements so
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Ryuko_Chan
10/06/22 3:22:23 PM
#98:


Robot2600 posted...
this is just inaccurate.

you don't need fucking supplements. in fact, most meat-eaters need to eat some damn broccoli more than anything else. some people, usually women, might get anemia from eating a shit vegetarian diet of french fries and peanut butter, but green beans, peas, lentils, all have high iron.

you don't need to eat 12 eggs either :P
need to as in i wouldnt do it otherwise. because i only want a diet with some sort of "meat", and i will not eat faux vegan meat. so if that means a carton of eggs so be it

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Lanzol
10/06/22 3:24:32 PM
#99:


Okay

'I refuse to be vegan cus I wanna go out of my way to eat animals'
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Lanzol
10/06/22 3:26:12 PM
#100:


Tofu/soy sausages are pretty good and not that processed, def less processed than real sausages

That's p much the only "fake" meat I eat, I only get beyond/impossible burgers when im out with friends and that's the only real option
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