Current Events > Wizards of the Coast MTG division has lost their minds. $999, 4 booster packs.

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Number090684
10/05/22 1:00:23 PM
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Each 30th Anniversary box comes with 4, 15 card booster packs that are all full of non tourney legal proxies with a slim chance of pulling a "Power 9" card. Glad I quit paper over a year ago. Time for a boycott of these incredibly predatory anti consumer products and practices. Wonder how Pokemon TCG players will react when they try something similar to this on them?
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solosnake
10/05/22 1:04:11 PM
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I remember reading about how they were gonna slip some of these old cards in new packs for fans, but damn they are gonna charge $1000 a box?

Thats insane, they might as well have opened them all and sold them on ebay themselves if they are gonna do that

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Hop103
10/05/22 1:07:49 PM
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$1000 is insane for a pack of trading cards that aren't vintage, not to mention they're all "illegal" cards.

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Number090684
10/05/22 1:10:53 PM
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This goes beyond whales. Seems like this is a product for hardcore collectors, investors and resellers and nothing more.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
10/05/22 1:16:11 PM
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Lets celebrate with our fans the 30th anniversary of our game!.....by ripping off consumers with non legal cards!!! Its amazing they were even able to say announce the product with a straight face.

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TheDurinator
10/05/22 1:17:05 PM
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This only exists for people to speculate with and resell sealed boosters down the line to the bigger fool. Nobody is cracking these packs.
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WingsOfGood
10/05/22 1:18:04 PM
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wow 7 posts before majorie taylor green mentioned
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Accolon
10/05/22 1:23:16 PM
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The announcement had the gall to say they wanted players to feel the excitement of opening these old cards.

Anyway, if you want proxies you can get some good looking ones online for like 4 bucks each. Or just print them out yourself.

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spikethedevil
10/05/22 1:26:58 PM
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Proxies? Sorry not that good on MTG terminology.

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Stormvale12
10/05/22 1:28:03 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Proxies? Sorry not that good on MTG terminology.

Fake cards you use in place of real ones.
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spikethedevil
10/05/22 1:28:48 PM
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Stormvale12 posted...
Fake cards you use in place of real ones.

Official fake cards? WTF is the point?

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Prestoff
10/05/22 1:30:58 PM
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I know card packs aren't lootboxes/gatcha systems, but they are still pretty damn predatory. There's a big reason trading cards exploded like crazy in popularity these past couple of years and card openings like this are a big reasoning for it. MTG has been getting more and more egregious with these limited edition sets and how crazy expensive some of them can get. I remember getting into them back in 2011 with Mirrordin and stopped in 2013 after the Ravnica arc ended. I realised I dumped +$1000's into this hobby that involved card board with ink on them and most of that thrill was opening packs hoping for the super expensive Mythic that will always result in a net loss for resale value.

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Tyranthraxus
10/05/22 1:33:12 PM
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solosnake posted...
I remember reading about how they were gonna slip some of these old cards in new packs for fans, but damn they are gonna charge $1000 a box?

Thats insane, they might as well have opened them all and sold them on ebay themselves if they are gonna do that
They are not even the old cards they are non legal reprints with alternate backings.

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spikethedevil
10/05/22 2:37:42 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Official fake cards? WTF is the point?


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Pastryarchy
10/05/22 2:39:57 PM
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They only offer that shit because some whales will actually pay for it, which means it's not just a few whales. It's pods.

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MICHALECOLE
10/05/22 2:40:32 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Official fake cards? WTF is the point?
To be able to play with them
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chrono625
10/05/22 2:56:23 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
To be able to play with them

they can only be used in non official games, like, with friends. Cannot be used in tournaments and competitions.

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MICHALECOLE
10/05/22 2:58:34 PM
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chrono625 posted...
they can only be used in non official games, like, with friends. Cannot be used in tournaments and competitions.
Correct
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Accolon
10/05/22 3:02:12 PM
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If they actually cared about players wanting to play, they'd offer these at normal booster prices so people could do drafts and such.

They're just proxies, so who cares if they end up not holding big value? Certainly not the main player base.

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ellis123
10/05/22 3:05:21 PM
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Accolon posted...
If they actually cared about players wanting to play, they'd offer these at normal booster prices so people could do drafts and such.

They're just proxies, so who cares if they end up not holding big value? Certainly not the main player base.
Capitalism only works under perceived value for non-"required for life" products. If they sold them for cheap the people who bought the original cards solely for investment purposes would have their feelings hurt.

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Accolon
10/05/22 3:06:13 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Capitalism only works under perceived value for non-"required for life" products. If they sold them for cheap the people who bought the original cards solely for investment purposes would have their feelings hurt.

Would proxies actually tank the price of the original cards though?

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Number090684
10/05/22 3:21:53 PM
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Accolon posted...
Would proxies actually tank the price of the original cards though?

It's hard to tell in this situation. The new proxies could drop the prices of the originals slightly, but the gold border proxies by a much larger margin, because more copies of those cards with that artwork and functionality are technically being put out there now. However like the gold border proxies before these new ones, these new proxies are not the same visually as the originals cards, so they cannot be mistaken for them, and these new proxies are not allowed to be used in official competitive organized play.
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ellis123
10/05/22 3:23:26 PM
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Accolon posted...
Would proxies actually tank the price of the original cards though?
Generically, no. But Wizards wouldn't bank on that in the same way that high-end clothes manufacturers destroy their product if it doesn't sell.

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spikethedevil
10/05/22 3:28:58 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
To be able to play with them

Why not use the real cards or make these real if theyre official how are they fake? I just dont see the point of official fake cards.

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ellis123
10/05/22 3:31:35 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Why not use the real cards or make these real if theyre official how are they fake? I just dont see the point of official fake cards.
It is tournament legal versus not. It's sort of like how you can buy a car that isn't legal to race with from a company that otherwise makes racing-legal cars. "Fake" is just how people are calling the cards that aren't tournament legal.

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Prestoff
10/05/22 3:31:49 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Why not use the real cards or make these real if theyre official how are they fake? I just dont see the point of official fake cards.

I would assume it would hurt resell value of said old cards if they did a reprint.

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Tyranthraxus
10/05/22 3:49:11 PM
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Prestoff posted...
I would assume it would hurt resell value of said old cards if they did a reprint.

This. A non insignificant amount of money comes from people who buy literal pallets of this shit because they never reprint the exact same card twice. If they suddenly reprinted it a lot of those investors / flippers would lose confidence.

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GreenMario
10/05/22 4:07:05 PM
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How much is a normal price for a single 15 card booster pack if you just head to the game store and buy the latest one?

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Accolon
10/05/22 4:07:25 PM
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GreenMario posted...
How much is a normal price for a single 15 card booster pack if you just head to the game store and buy the latest one?

Like 4 dollars

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GreenMario
10/05/22 4:08:34 PM
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Wow, super overpriced. @_@ The 999 set, I mean.

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Accolon
10/05/22 4:10:49 PM
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Also the new sets each require designers to create and test the cards, and artists to make the 200+ pieces for the set.

This is all old cards with existing artwork. No effort was needed to put it together.

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WingsOfGood
10/05/22 4:14:24 PM
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GreenMario posted...
How much is a normal price for a single 15 card booster pack if you just head to the game store and buy the latest one?

$4 but easily found for less like $3
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chrono625
10/05/22 6:08:02 PM
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I mean they could have easily made a legal card with a special border around it to differentiate an original versus the re-release. It wouldnt tank the originals value in the slightest.

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ellis123
10/05/22 6:33:35 PM
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chrono625 posted...
I mean they could have easily made a legal card with a special border around it to differentiate an original versus the re-release. It wouldnt tank the originals value in the slightest.
Even a new border would not matter. The collectability of the original versions of cards stims from their rarity and the like far more than it does in their playability (though obviously for the top cards the playability does matter) or any other particular factor. In that line, however, the old version of the card isn't really beholden to the new version regardless of anything else with the exception of the reserved list cards (which are just ones that have excessively overinflated prices anyways due to the "invest here" sign pointing at them). Something like Lighting Bolt, for instance, is a $750 card in Alpha regardless of printings because if you want to go "full bling" it doesn't matter if a new one comes out: you have to have the original. The reserved list cards are the only ones that the price might change and that entirely has to do with the vast majority of them having a massive buy-out sometime in the past, and even then you could easily argue that none of them would relevantly change because the people that wanted the old version of the card would still go for that version over the others regardless of the price due to the way that collectability works.

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Tyranthraxus
10/05/22 6:48:55 PM
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chrono625 posted...
I mean they could have easily made a legal card with a special border around it to differentiate an original versus the re-release. It wouldnt tank the originals value in the slightest.

That's what they do. They have white borders. Sometimes they reprint a card with a black border but it's in a different set with a different set icon.

And while some cards have just never been reprinted, even if they did get reprinted the value of the old cards won't change because the reprints would be different.

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Smackems
10/05/22 7:20:40 PM
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This is.... A word I can't say here

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OmegaM
10/06/22 10:17:49 PM
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I don't think it's worth getting angry about this since it won't affect at all what you need for tournaments. Also, I believe we've known for a long time that Wizards might print non--tournament legal versions of cards on the Reserved List. Still, I don't know who's going to buy this except for people so rich that $1000 is essentially nothing to them.
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Raikuro
10/06/22 11:26:02 PM
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Hasbro got a new president at the beginning of the year and by some strange coincidence all prices started jumping up.
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