Current Events > One Piece... so Usopp is just an idiot? *spoilers*

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Just got to the episode where he leaves the crew and challenges Luffy to a fight cause... he has some sort of inferiority complex? Cause he is a moron?

I've hated his ass from the start. I honestly don't get how there are people that like him.

I will give Usopp credit for doing everything possible to win the fight.

I love Usopp because he represents the every man who doesnt have any outrageous haki or devil fruit powers. He has to fight all these crazy powerful people with just his mind, good aim, and a sling shot

Like... this doesn't make sense for any of Usopp's characterization. Kinda surprised at Oda for writing what comes across to me as baseless drama for the sake of it at the expense of good characterization

He's a bleeding heart and upset at how callous he perceives Luffy.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

He's a bleeding heart and upset at how callous he perceives Luffy.

I kinda loved how after Luffy beat him he said, "I won't let anything hold us back", showing that he obviously cared but he won't let his sentimental side stop him.

the ship is a memento of usopp's village and he was the only one to see the ship's spirit during skypiea

he was in denial about the ship not being able to be salvaged and after getting robbed by the franky family he was angry about luffy seemingly "abandoning" things when they stop being useful

he fights luffy even knowing he wouldn't win to show how far he's come from the coward he used to be

ussop did put up a good fight against luffy
which is even more impressive because oda once said that no matter how strong ussop gets he will always be the weakest strawhat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzw0CXeWYJ0

ChocoboMog123 posted...

He's a bleeding heart and upset at how callous he perceives Luffy.

He's also cowardly and revealed to be depressed all the time, so it probably is over compensation on his part.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Like... this doesn't make sense for any of Usopp's characterization. Kinda surprised at Oda for writing what comes across to me as baseless drama for the sake of it at the expense of good characterization

It is to show that he has grown as a character. It's exactly in line with his characterization, just that it requires that the characters not be gimmick/one-note characters and thus able to grow over the course of the story. Water 7 is Usopp's character arc and is where he finally comes to terms with himself.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I kinda loved how after Luffy beat him he said, "I won't let anything hold us back", showing that he obviously cared but he won't let his sentimental side stop him.

It's even more extreme if you buy in the interview where Oda implied/indirectly stated that the only reason that Usopp wasn't just flat out killed in that scene was because of the editor.

he's the Hawkeye of the Strawhats.

You will learn to respect Usopp later in the series.

He's always been a little bitch. And he always will be.

MrDrMan posted...

You will learn to respect Usopp later in the series.

I've been watching Wano and I do like him in that arc. My wife is completely caught up and I started enjoying the Wano Arc so I watch new episodes with her and I catch up on previous arcs throughout the week.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

fight cause... he has some sort of inferiority complex? Cause he is a moron?

It's more he is way too attached to the ship because the girl he has a crush on gave it to them. Though I think it's implied he knew he couldn't win. But yeah, he's an idiot, every accomplished shipwright he meets says that ship is pretty much about to fall apart and he won't listen.

zoro is my favorite strawhat
also if you ask oda perverted questions he will answer them
its how we know that luffy can stretch his genitals
buggy the clown could detach his man bits and make them fly around
and nico robin could create multiple versions of her lady bits on any surface she could see

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I've been watching Wano and I do like him in that arc. My wife is completely caught up and I started enjoying the Wano Arc so I watch new episodes with her and I catch up on previous arcs throughout the week.

Oh well I was just messing around. If youve seen Wano I cant really spoil you. Yes Usopp is an idiot.

Part of it was the personal connection to the ship and how much it's gone through with them. You could also I suppose look at it like this: the Strawhats are getting rid of a vital part of the crew because its usefulness has come to an end. How far off the chopping block could someone like Usopp be?

Sheesh, and then Robin leaves the crew in this arc too? I mean we get Franky and I assume Usopp comes back here too, but this is a lot of roster drama.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Sheesh, and then Robin leaves the crew in this arc too? I mean we get Franky and I assume Usopp comes back here too, but this is a lot of roster drama.

The conclusion to this arc is my favourite one piece arc ever and one of the best in anime.

Usopp losing it over the ship is very in character. There's a lot of hints dropped up to that point that show he loved that ship more than anyone. The main thing that's out of character (or at least a poor judgment call) is how luffy handled that argument.

this is honestly one of the best story arcs in one piece
its right up there with alabasta
you are in for a hell of a ride coming up

Imo a better solution would have been to build the new ship literally around the going merry that way she could have been with them still and not burned alive and abandoned in the middle of the ocean.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Part of it was the personal connection to the ship and how much it's gone through with them. You could also I suppose look at it like this: the Strawhats are getting rid of a vital part of the crew because its usefulness has come to an end. How far off the chopping block could someone like Usopp be?

this. He sees himself as the ship. He knows everyone is getting stronger and he is still weak.
he feels like when its no longer convenient to the crew theyll get rid of him too

also, Usopp sucks

Was not fond of that event, but I love Usopp. Not for his skillset or what he represents either. Usopp, Mr Satan, and Rango are kowardly liars that hide behind outlandish klaims, but through dumb luck, things work out anyway. That shit never ceases to amuse me. This guy's been bluffing from day 1 that he's some great pirate leader revered by a thousand subordinates or whatever, so I nearly died when Dressrosa happened and through dumb luck, he saves all those pirate slaves, resulting in his busted barely koncious body being elevated by a giant proclaiming "This is our god".

Usopp was my most dislike out of the crew but Sanji slowly took over that role for reasons you will find out later....and his constant screaming Nami and Robin's name. Oh and Usopp did not deserve to beat Perona....

Dumb topic

pinky0926 posted...

The main thing that's out of character (or at least a poor judgment call) is how luffy handled that argument.

It's easy to forget, but Luffy is the captain of the Strawhats. And I seem to recall Zoro and Sanji backing Luffy and telling Chopper that Luffy is the captain, and he can't have crewmembers do shit like Ussop did. I'd actually argue it's in character for Luffy, in the sense that he's shown he's perfectly capable of being serious when he needs to be. And your crewmember basically trying to mutiny is a serious situation.

yusiko posted...

this is honestly one of the best story arcs in one piece

It would be better without the Sniper King theme nonsense, but then, One Piece has always been an Anime that isn't afraid to take the piss on Anime tropes

It is simultaneously Usopp's weakest moment as a crew member and his strongest moment in terms of character (to that point). Him basically telling Luffy to fuck off because he wanted to replace the derelict Merry was wrong for several reasons. The fact that he was willing to fight his obviously MUCH stronger best friend and captain for his belief in something was something of a turning point for Usopp the coward. Don't get me wrong, he's still a coward (it's just who he is) but until that moment, Usopp had really just tagged along and hadn't shown any real conviction for anything aside from avoiding fights. His fight with Luffy showed that deep, deep down, he actually does have a spine and will fight anyone if he believes strongly enough in something, well-reasoned or not. It was also a key moment for Luffy as Captain. To that point, Luffy's will and strength had justified his role as Captain but he'd never had to deal with the "weight" of the job. Confronting Usopp's insubordination was a stark reality check for his duty as the leader of his crew. It wasn't an enjoyable experience but it was utterly necessary to demonstrate that goofy and whimsical though he may be, he will NOT tolerate disrespect and rebuke for doing his job as Captain of his ship. Note that his crewmates protest his decisions regularly BUT they always go along with it because ultimately Luffy's ship and they respect that. Usopp's stand was the example of what happens when protestation becomes outright insubordination. It's something that's traditionally punishable by death in that setting.

one of my favorite one piece moments is in this arc
you will know it when you see it

I am waiting for the next arc after that on Netflix, it has been months since new episodes were added.

Crazyman93 posted...

It's easy to forget, but Luffy is the captain of the Strawhats. And I seem to recall Zoro and Sanji backing Luffy and telling Chopper that Luffy is the captain, and he can't have crewmembers do shit like Ussop did. I'd actually argue it's in character for Luffy, in the sense that he's shown he's perfectly capable of being serious when he needs to be. And your crewmember basically trying to mutiny is a serious situation.

Thats true after what was said, but luffy should have been more honest to begin with I think. He simply didn't tel usopp why he was making the decision he was making, which made him seem callous and uncaring. And he got defensive when pressed, and said the one thing he shouldn't have said (which is why Sanji kicked him). That's poor leadership and he paid for it..

Of course Usopps an idiot.

pinky0926 posted...

The conclusion to this arc is my favourite one piece arc ever and one of the best in anime.

Usopp losing it over the ship is very in character. There's a lot of hints dropped up to that point that show he loved that ship more than anyone. The main thing that's out of character (or at least a poor judgment call) is how luffy handled that argument.

It's out-of-character for Luffy but it's frankly more interesting characterization than what we get from him most of the time. If he showed his ruthless desire to become the Pirate King more often he'd be a lot more interesting. The only other time he gets serious in the series is the generic "Bad guy does a bad thing and it makes him mad".

Lots of people are kinda stupid in this arc.

Robin thinking the government won't turn on her (I'm gonna assume she thinks working for the government will save herself or the Straw Hats), she stupid. Iceberg basically being a hypocrit about Frankie making "weapons"? Stupid past Iceberg.

"You are bad for making weapons because all weapons are bad! I guess that means there is no use for good people to have weapons to defend others against bad people!!!!"

But people are dumb in real life so... yeah.

Just keep watching

robins not an idiot here
things will make more sense about what she is doing pretty soon

Watching 251 now... Robin's Sorrowful Decision. Let's see if I think she is not dumb. Lol

Pfffft, so they were gonna BUSTER CALL the Straw Hats?

I have a question about Buster Calls. If they are that powerful, why not use it against White Beard? Kaido? Big Mom?

It seems like if they were willing to pull that out for the Straw Hats, why not any of the other major threats?

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

I love Usopp because he represents the every man who doesnt have any outrageous haki or devil fruit powers. He has to fight all these crazy powerful people with just his mind, good aim, and a sling shot

Nami doesn't have those either.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Pfffft, so they were gonna BUSTER CALL the Straw Hats?

I have a question about Buster Calls. If they are that powerful, why not use it against White Beard? Kaido? Big Mom?

It seems like if they were willing to pull that out for the Straw Hats, why not any of the other major threats?

because white beard, kaido and big mom are all leagues more powerful than the strawhats combined at this point in the story
the buster call would not be a real threat to them

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Pfffft, so they were gonna BUSTER CALL the Straw Hats?

I have a question about Buster Calls. If they are that powerful, why not use it against White Beard? Kaido? Big Mom?

It seems like if they were willing to pull that out for the Straw Hats, why not any of the other major threats?

One is a group of pirate rookies, da others are literal yonko

yusiko posted...

because white beard, kaido and big mom are all leagues more powerful than the strawhats combined at this point in the story
the buster call would not be a real threat to them

So the 5 Admirals, plus all the ships powers are insignificant compared to any of the Yonko?

Wasn't Garp the equal to Gold? Are the marines so inept none of them are anywhere close to an equal to the current Yonko?

I did watch Marineford so I do recall isn't the head admiral (the one who goes Buddha?) a current match for Whitebeard?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

So the 5 Admirals, plus all the ships powers are insignificant compared to any of the Yonko?

Wasn't Garp the equal to Gold? Are the marines so inept none of them are anywhere close to an equal to the current Yonko?

I did watch Marineford so I do recall isn't the head admiral (the one who goes Buddha?) a current match for Whitebeard?

Answering this question would require spoiling stuff from the Marineford Arc and beyond. I hope that other user realizes this and doesn't accidentally drop more details than you're supposed to know at this point.

Null_Gain posted...

Answering this question would require spoiling stuff from the Marineford Arc and beyond. I hope that other user realizes this and doesn't accidentally drop more details than you're supposed to know at this point.

I've been watching Wano with my wife so I'm aware of that Arc... though it has little to do with Marines thus far.

Ah ok.

It's been a while but I do think your question about Garp and Roger gets answered in Marineford.

If you want to know now Garp and Roger were good friends with each other and when Roger decided to turn himself in, he chose to surrender to Garp, making him a hero. Though considered rivals, Roger was flat out stronger than Garp. Kind of like how Luffy and Smoker are rivals, but Luffy kicks his ass everytime they meet.

As for the Emperors, being super strong individually is only the begining. They'll command an entire army, a fleet of ships, have tons of weapons and control large territories.

Just got to "Sniper King"... fucking Usopp. =/

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Just got to "Sniper King"... fucking Usopp. =/

I'm so sorry...

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Pfffft, so they were gonna BUSTER CALL the Straw Hats?

I have a question about Buster Calls. If they are that powerful, why not use it against White Beard? Kaido? Big Mom?

It seems like if they were willing to pull that out for the Straw Hats, why not any of the other major threats?

Actually the Buster call was because Spandam is an idiot and used the wrong snail. It's just that a buster call has no way to stand down. Once it's issued, the Navy destroys the island. Arguably it's because they don't want to admit they unleashed the apocalypse on an island by mistake. I've read their official excuse was it was to make sure Robin died because she survived the last one.

As to the Yonko, there's something about a balance of power that hasn't been made totally clear in the series. You have the Marines/Navy, the Seven Warlords, and the Yonko. There's a lot of fretting later in the series before the Whitebeard War about not having the Seven Warlords actually have seven members. But it's all wonky to me because the Warlords are in theory supposed to heed a Summons by the World Government to help the Navy, yet it seems like none of them actually have any loyalty to them. Mihawk apparently does whatever he wants, which is destroy uppity East Blue pirate warlords for waking him up, and then Crocodile was planning to take over the world. There's more but I'm trying not to spoil anything but the arc you're on.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Robin thinking the government won't turn on her (I'm gonna assume she thinks working for the government will save herself or the Straw Hats), she stupid. Iceberg basically being a hypocrit about Frankie making "weapons"? Stupid past Iceberg.

"You are bad for making weapons because all weapons are bad! I guess that means there is no use for good people to have weapons to defend others against bad people!!!!"

Robin's deal as I recall was she turns herself in for execution in return for sparing the Straw Hats. So yeah, she's stupid here. Ignoring the fact she should have known they'd never honor such a deal in the long run, she should have known they'd come after her to save her.

And it may just be the dub that did it, but I recall Iceberg was more pissed about Frankie leaving the weapons laying around on Scrap Island for anyone to steal and use than he was about Frankie making them in the first place. And well, it does end up being a justified concern.

Null_Gain posted...

As for the Emperors, being super strong individually is only the begining. They'll command an entire army, a fleet of ships, have tons of weapons and control large territories.

That's even just counting them alone, Whitebeard has ten ships each loaded with guys who would make strong captains on their own, and has an absolutely huge number of pirate captains that swear loyalty to him on top of it. And it's fair to assume the others have that as well given that it's said you either swear loyalty to an Emperor, or you thumb your nose at them at every turn if you want to survive.

Actually, the balance of power I mentioned earlier seems to hinge on all four Emperors refusing to work with each other. As TC will see in the Whitebeard War arc, the idea of Shanks and Whitebeard teaming up terrifies the Navy.

One Piece is a series you'll like better if you allow yourself to feel something. If you're worrying about if Usopp is a "little bitch" or not you seem like someone who doesn't have the sort of spirit of dreams the series is trying to capture. I kind of pity you really...it's good to grow up, but being able to let ourselves feel something intangible is part of what separates us form the animals.