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So what's with all of these shows that don't take part after the movies?

Did they shoot themselves in the foot? No new jedi order. Sequel trilogy is in the exact same spot as the OT. Except worse actually

Why did they fuck up so hard.

Do a gritty continuation of Rey's story where she is badly disfigured in a fight & turns into a white-clad Darth Vader basically

Make it like a Metroid Fusion thing

baiken2 posted...

So what's with all of these shows that don't take part after the movies?

Because there are a lot of interesting periods of Star Wars history in between, and in other regions.

I don't know what part of that plot idea is like Metroid Fusion.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Because there are a lot of interesting periods of Star Wars history in between, and in other regions.

Right. And that's all they have done.

No plans for the future of the franchise?

_Stuff_ posted...

I don't know what part of that plot idea is like Metroid Fusion.

Disfigured and beloved female sci-fi action star is horribly mangled and dons a protective suit of armor while she heals

Japan
Alien

Idk

baiken2 posted...

No plans for the future of the franchise?

The future of the franchise is to explore the stories we've got in front of us right now. That's the plan.

baiken2 posted...

No plans for the future of the franchise?

There are probably more plans for the future of the franchise than there are, currently, entries in the franchise.

Disney is scared to go too far forward or to far backward. The galactic history is like 30,000 years old. But most of that stuff was erased when the old Expanded Universe was deleted. I would really like to explore the beginning of civilization, which even old Expanded universe only ever hinted at.

Every species in the galaxy used to be enslaved by an empire called the Infinite Empire. Run by aliens. Humans were slaves. Then a disease killed off the species in charge, and everyone got free and began all the civilizations we now know

Maybe do a series about that

A New Hope
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Zikten posted...

Maybe do a series about that

Sounds pretty lame if I'm being honest.

another idea is explore the first discovery of the Dark Side, and the ensuing Civil War amongst the ancient Jedi when the Dark Siders eventually left to become Sith

Infinite Empire is talked about in Knights of the Old Republic

Jedi civil war is briefly talked about in the mmo The Old Republic, in quests on the jedi starting planet

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Sounds pretty lame if I'm being honest.

Its literally the origin story for star wars essentially. All species today come from slaves of that empire

It is also why humans don't know what their original homeworld is

Zikten posted...

Its literally the origin story for star wars essentially. All species today come from slaves of that empire

It is also why humans don't know what their original homeworld is

That's expanded universe shit though, right? EU stuff has a history of being pretty lame.

Zikten posted...

Jedi civil war

Now this I can get behind.

New theory, gobs is rebelelite

The star wars apologetics is weird.

The ST didn't really handle all that much PT material, so that's where I'd pick up. Kenobi, for instance, and even The Mandalorian to an extent, or parts of Fallen Order, do very well at that

Gobstoppers12 posted...

That's expanded universe shit though, right? EU stuff has a history of being pretty lame.

The Expanded Universe was better with pre movie stuff than post. Most of the stuff people complain about was post movie material. Their ancient stuff was well regarded

Kyle Katarn stealing the Death Star plans means verrry little to me

Adapt loosely Dark Forces 2

Whenever someone describes stuff from the Star Wars extended universe, I wonder if I accidentally ate the wrong mushrooms.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Whenever someone describes stuff from the Star Wars extended universe, I wonder if I accidentally ate the wrong mushrooms.

Did you never play Knights of the Old Republic?

(could also buy a 2nd Dark Troopers plotline, which is how it should be to make them/the ones in Mando memorable imo)

For people new to the idea, I sort of can understand the Infinite Empire sounding bizarre I guess. But I don't see what is so weird about the Jedi Civil War. Its a pretty logical explanation of what probably happened in their history. The only people who would have a problem with it I guess are people who refuse to ever accept that there was ever a Sith Empire. People who cling to pure Lucas lore on the number of Sith in the galaxy

Zikten posted...

Did you never play Knights of the Old Republic?

I once played The Empire Strikes Back on the Game Boy, for like 35 minutes. I died and gave up.

The Rule of Two never made sense. Even if Sith wanted it to be a thing, you cant enforce that. In a galaxy of trillions of people, there would be unofficial sith all over the place. People would research the dark side and do their own thing. Maybe you'd have even a bunch of different Two's. All claiming to be the real sith

Zikten posted...

The Rule of Two never made sense. Even if Sith wanted it to be a thing, you cant enforce that. In a galaxy of trillions of people, there would be unofficial sith all over the place. People would research the dark side and do their own thing. Maybe you'd have even a bunch of different Two's. All claiming to be the real sith

Because those will be weakling pretenders who will eventually get wiped out from lack of knowledge

baiken2 posted...

Because those will be weakling pretenders who will eventually get wiped out from lack of knowledge

How do you decide who is the pretender though? What if unofficial sith uncover sith knowledge that the "official sith" don't have, and it leads to greater power. This isn't like some royal family thing. Anyone has the potential to be the greater sith. In comics and books and games set in star wars, the galaxy is filled with artifacts that can empower people. Also anyone can be born with greater power. What if there are "official sith " but some new person is born with a massive connection to the force and ends up slaughtering the official sith

Zikten posted...

How do you decide who is the pretender though? What if unofficial sith uncover sith knowledge that the "official sith" don't have, and it leads to greater power. This isn't like some royal family thing. Anyone has the potential to be the greater sith. In comics and books and games set in star wars, the galaxy is filled with artifacts that can empower people. Also anyone can be born with greater power. What if there are "official sith " but some new person is born with a massive connection to the force and ends up slaughtering the official sith

Because the stronger ones will end up killing the weaker even if it's not fair.

So it's not official. Just the survivor wins

In the mmo, the story for the Sith Inquisitor is about a slave who ends up being more powerful than your masters

baiken2 posted...

Because the stronger ones will end up killing the weaker even if it's not fair.

So it's not official. Just the survivor wins

That is basically what I just said though. You made it seem like the official two sith can never be defeated

Zikten posted...

That is basically what I just said though. You made it seem like the official two sith can never be defeated

Well if they are fake they likely will have a hard time amassing that power.

Because the real ones will have generations of knowledge

Zikten posted...

The Rule of Two never made sense. Even if Sith wanted it to be a thing, you cant enforce that. In a galaxy of trillions of people, there would be unofficial sith all over the place. People would research the dark side and do their own thing. Maybe you'd have even a bunch of different Two's. All claiming to be the real sith

Just using the dark side doesn't make you a Sith, "unofficial" Sith aren't a thing.

The Rule of Two is really more of the Guideline of Two anyway, there's always the two main Sith and they usually both have secret apprentices on the side. But it makes sense to a degree given that any time the Sith have raised any kind of Sith army, they inevitably fall to infighting because they're inherently power hungry. Limiting their numbers is really the only option.

I remember liking the thrawn trilogy and some of that expanded universe shit as a kid.

I don't know why but Disney kind killed the weird mystique star wars had. Or maybe I just got older

You guys are all missing my point. How will 2 Sith enforce a rule to ban more Sith, all over an entire galaxy? And how you will prevent people from being born with stronger force powers than you? Or how will you stop people from finding artifacts that you didn't know existed?

The Rule of Two is dumb and it just makes star wars more boring

You're missing the point that there's more to being a Sith than just using the Dark Side.

You have to be trained in the Sith arts and you're not getting that from anyone but another Sith.

Murphiroth posted...

You're missing the point that there's more to being a Sith than just using the Dark Side.

You have to be trained in the Sith arts and you're not getting that from anyone but another Sith.

You can learn from a Sith ghost. You can learn from ancient holo recordings. People can and do figure stuff out on their own, even in our universe

I just don't know why you love the Rule of Two so much. It makes star wars less exciting

Murphiroth posted...

Just using the dark side doesn't make you a Sith, "unofficial" Sith aren't a thing.

The Rule of Two is really more of the Guideline of Two anyway, there's always the two main Sith and they usually both have secret apprentices on the side. But it makes sense to a degree given that any time the Sith have raised any kind of Sith army, they inevitably fall to infighting because they're inherently power hungry. Limiting their numbers is really the only option.

Makes sense for an army, but I'd imagine you would get a Sorcerer's apprentice situation before long regardless. The Sith Master and Apprentice; the Master has a few Apprentices all told they're the only one. Because even if two is a rule, he's a Sith and he likes to screw the rules. He'll kill the ones he doesn't like someday, but until then those Apprentices are like "I'm going to secretly take my own Apprentices so I can be the Master too" (This is a step before they try to kill their Master). And some of those guys are like "Hey, I can be a Master if I take a couple Apprentices..." And soon there's a ton of Sith all in different stages of training all getting some actual training like some kind of murder based pyramid scheme.

Zikten posted...

You can learn from a Sith ghost. You can learn from ancient holo recordings. People can and do figure stuff out on their own, even in our universe

I just don't know why you love the Rule of Two so much. It makes star wars less exciting

Yep, totally love the Rule of Two, me, the guy who outright called it the Guideline of Two in this very topic.

Idk why they're so reluctant to explore the Old Republic era, considering how popular it was before.

Nacen posted...

Idk why they're so reluctant to explore the Old Republic era, considering how popular it was before.

I think they want to make sure they get it very, very right. It's a beloved setting, on par in the fandom with the original trilogy and prequels.

If they do a TV show/film series telling the story of something like KotoR, they had better get their absolute A-team on it.

MyMainAccount posted...

Makes sense for an army, but I'd imagine you would get a Sorcerer's apprentice situation before long regardless. The Sith Master and Apprentice; the Master has a few Apprentices all told they're the only one. Because even if two is a rule, he's a Sith and he likes to screw the rules. He'll kill the ones he doesn't like someday, but until then those Apprentices are like "I'm going to secretly take my own Apprentices so I can be the Master too" (This is a step before they try to kill their Master). And some of those guys are like "Hey, I can be a Master if I take a couple Apprentices..." And soon there's a ton of Sith all in different stages of training all getting some actual training like some kind of murder based pyramid scheme.

This is the way it seems to go in most of the books.

Probably because its the only thing that makes any damn sense when you think about it.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I think they want to make sure they get it very, very right. It's a beloved setting, on par in the fandom with the original trilogy and prequels.

If they do a TV show/film series telling the story of something like KotoR, they had better get their absolute A-team on it.

And if they do a KOTOR movie it will mention the Infinite Empire. It was a major plot point in that game