Current Events > Magnus Carlsen quits chess game vs man who used vibrating anal beads to cheat

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Not that I put any stock into this happening, but I believe the vibrating anal beads would be used like Morse code. The person in control of them would then telegraph to the wearer what moves to make, utilizing computer programs, artificial intelligence, and large amounts of data to give a better idea of what your opponent is doing and how to counter them.

That's just off the top of my head though.

It's actually even simpler than that. At really high levels of chess, it doesn't take a lot of information to get a real advantage (even looking at an engine once or twice during a game would increase your win rate significantly if you're already that good). In some cases, even just knowing "there's a really good move here" is enough.

You might be like "That's crazy" but chess puzzles are all built around that notion. Even as a more novice player, if you're told "Make what you think is the best move in the situation" you're less likely to find the best line compared to if I told you "Actually there is checkmate in 3 to find here" (especially when it comes to considering how much time you're going to spend looking for it under time control).

I'm not even claiming the guy is cheating or that this is how they are doing it, but I think it's underestimated how much a little information can help.

"there's a really good move here" is probably it. Only vibrate in this situation and then vibrate the code for the piece to be moved.

Isn't this like... kink shaming?

Yep but 1) there was no evidence of him cheating and 2) you're literally quoting elon musk once you start talking about AI anal beads, take that as you will

The likelihood that this was a legitimate outcome is very low, beyond what even random probability would have.

The particular game he played used a line he personally only ever played one time in his history, and this is the line that his opponent not only knew how to counter, but did so with the precision of a modern chess engine.

cheating isn't a kink

The Nimzo-Indian Defense isn't that uncommon bro. Even if Magnus himself doesn't go for the Queen's Pawn opening.

While the win could be legitimate, because he has cheated in competitive play before makes it equally as likely that he cheated again especially when there was more incentive to do so.

laying novelties and untheoretical sidelines is not any sort of un-overcome-able advantage. There's a reason they're sidelines: they are not believed to confer as strong an advantage as the main line. Carlsen likes to play side lines to put the game in the realm of his extremely strong fundamental play, but the drawback to that is he effectively cedes true positional advantage he could have had if he played a sharper line. And Niemann is no slouch.

This is true more so for classical games as opposed to the time control they were playing(was it blitz)? See Magnus' classical games and you'll see more often that not he plays the reputable lines, his rapid and blitz games he plays sidelines because he knows even though hes not going to get true positional advantage as you said, he knows theres simply not enough time for a human player to come up with the best opening moves consistently if they're already playing the opening outside of their theoretical knowledge

This story has really morphed into something it's not, lol.

Here's the real story. Some guy who isn't that good beat the best chess player in the world. No.1 guy threw a tanty. Elon Musk said some insane shit on twitter as per. That's it.

I'm confused. How exactly does using vibrating anal beads give me him knowledge of his opponents next move? Are they really that powerful?

It is funny that "the best player" only memorized a play in advance and that's what makes them the best. Wouldn't it be fair to say that if they were really the best, they should have adapted to their opponent moves instead of following a pre-planned moveset that didnt work out? Regardless of cheating, playing chess should be about reading opponent moves and not just following a recipe. I could be wrong as I dont play chess and maybe following recipes is what makes you the best.

Magnus got cocky and he paid for it. The guy happened to study the line that was played.

Out of all of the thousands of lines possible from a given board state, and out of all of the lines that Carlson has and has not played, he happens to have studied that specific one? And picked moves that are on the levels of chess engines?

It was in protest.

Okay it's unclear to a lot of people in this topic that aren't avid chess players with 1000+ games.

"Playing too well" is absolutely a thing, and there are books of statistics and computer analysis that explain all of this. It starts with understanding chess engines and it ends with detailed essays explaining how someone cheated but it boils down to this:

it's actually extremely easy to see if its a human or AI playing in many cases. You have the idea that chess engines are "just a little bit better" but it's more like they are 1000x better than any human could ever be and it's obvious to everyone in the chess world.

It's the equivalent of say, someone claiming they are playing Starcraft 2, but the "video" shows them clicking in an obviously Tool-Assissted speerun way. Like they start clicking 200 times a second and maintain that speed of click for 20 minutes, then claim that they are "just really fast."

It's literally like that.

You are right to be skeptical of Magnus resigning like this, but here is the thing: he's fucking right, and if you know about the guy you know he wouldn't do this without being sure. Magnus is cool as fuck, he's one of the coolest chess players, most of them have their heads totally up their own ass, but he's not like that. He doesn't stream bullshit and try to sell you on clickbait shit games, like Hikaru Nakamura does, for example.

I 100% believe Magnus, but I would be willing to look at the AI analysis of the games in question to see if the supposed cheating games were in fact cheating.

It's the equivalent of say, someone claiming they are playing Starcraft 2, but the "video" shows them clicking in an obviously Tool-Assissted speerun way. Like they start clicking 200 times a second and maintain that speed of click for 20 minutes, then claim that they are "just really fast."

cheating isn't a kink

Excuse me

What.

You are right to be skeptical of Magnus resigning like this, but here is the thing: he's fucking right, and if you know about the guy you know he wouldn't do this without being sure.