Current Events > netflix allegedly moving away from binge method

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pokedude900 posted...

Watching the show weekly when all the episodes are made available at once doesn't change the fact that most people I would normally discuss it with are unlikely to do the same. Again, everyone watches at their own pace with the binge format.

Funny that.

Nothing prevents discussion of the latest ffxiv expansion that dropped with my buds even when they have beaten it and I have not.

I just tell them where I am at and confirm they got there too and they are respectful.

If you cannot discuss a show with your friends who have seen the whole thing already it is your friends who are the problem not the whole show being released.

And if you aren't talking about discussing it with your friends but randos online I am afraid that I cannot find your argument to be valid as you can still be spoiled on weekly releases when you go to the internet.

VeggetaX posted...

The argument people are presenting here is that availability makes the product worst. That limited showings is the more productive way of doing things.

It is 100% an argument of self control and controlling other people.

1. I cannot stop myself from binging it all, please control me and stop me
2. I don't want other people to be able to do that either because it is not fair they would then be able to discuss the ending before I have got there

Yea this is like the most selfish entitled argument I have seen on CE in a long time.

Lmao some people salty over this. It was the default model since the start of tv. We had a good run with binge watching, but it creates for experiences that dont make a lasting impression.

And about corporate greed...well it IS a business first and foremost. If people only subscribed for one month to only watch ehat they wanted and quit, then they wouldnt have the money to keep producing so many shows and movies.

This topic is literally No-Lifers vs. People With Shit To Do.

TMOG posted...

This topic is literally No-Lifers vs. People With Shit To Do.

Which side are you on?

TMOG posted...

This topic is literally No-Lifers vs. People With Shit To Do.

It's always funny when a person on this websight tries to act like they have a life.

TMOG posted...

This topic is literally No-Lifers vs. People With Shit To Do.

I have never binged a full season of anything on netflix.

Know why?

1. I have self control
2. I actually have other things to do.

But you apparently have and say you have the life and others don't? huh

sus

Truthfully, when an entire season releases at once, I watch it LESS than once a week. I don't have the time to sit down and binge it. And since discussion fizzles out after a week or two, I lose my drive to keep up with it.

pokedude900 posted...

Truthfully, when an entire season releases at once, I watch it LESS than once a week. I don't have the time to sit down and binge it. And since discussion fizzles out after a week or two, I lose my drive to keep up with it.

lmao

changing the goalposts now it appears

Netflix will wonder why people aren't watching their shit until the season finishes. Lol.

WingsOfGood posted...

lmao

changing the goalposts now it appears

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? You were creating your own narrative to begin with.

Solid_Sonic posted...

Which side are you on?

I definitely have more to do during my day than sit around watching an entire season of a show, especially if it's something I'm going to want to actually pay attention to instead of treat as background noise while multitasking something else.

TMOG posted...

I definitely have more to do during my day than sit around watching an entire season of a show, especially if it's something I'm going to want to actually pay attention to instead of treat as background noise while multitasking something else.

then watch it that way

WingsOfGood posted...

I have never binged a full season of anything on netflix. ... But you apparently have and say you have the life and others don't

Once again, nice reading comprehension.

TMOG posted...

I definitely have more to do during my day than sit around watching an entire season of a show, especially if it's something I'm going to want to actually pay attention to instead of treat as background noise while multitasking something else.

Only people with superficial lives act like they have better things to be doing than chilling and entertaining themselves digitally.

I also find it weird that people who have not made a show or invested their money into a show are arguing:

1. we need to have people be better engaged with a show
2. we want people to remember it more

Like, are you purposely trying to sound like a paid shill or something? You aren't on the netflix board of directors. This show is not an extension of your identity. Who gives a care about how engaged people are with it or how long they discuss it.

You have a life is what you guys are arguing yet you also argue you want sustain discussion of a dumb show to last longer over multiple months....

Solid_Sonic posted...

Only people with superficial lives act like they have better things to be doing than chilling and entertaining themselves digitally.

Yep.

AceMos posted...

then watch it that way

He can't control himself.

WingsOfGood posted...

I also find it weird that people who have not made a show or invested their money into a show are arguing:

1. we need to have people be better engaged with a show
2. we want people to remember it more

Like, are you purposely trying to sound like a paid shill or something? You aren't on the netflix board of directors. This show is not an extension of your identity. Who gives a care about how engaged people are with it or how long they discuss it.

You have a life is what you guys are arguing yet you also argue you want sustain discussion of a dumb show to last longer over multiple months....

Discussions can be fun. Weekly release means more discussion and therefore more fun.

uwnim posted...

Discussions can be fun. Weekly release means more discussion and therefore more fun.

I like discussion and speculation too but never have I thought "I wish the makers of this would purposely draw it out so I can discuss this for months instead of just let me finish it so I can discuss it for a day or two."

A few people in this topic aren't even reading the posts they're replying to and it shows.

WingsOfGood posted...

Funny that.

Nothing prevents discussion of the latest ffxiv expansion that dropped with my buds even when they have beaten it and I have not.

I just tell them where I am at and confirm they got there too and they are respectful.

If you cannot discuss a show with your friends who have seen the whole thing already it is your friends who are the problem not the whole show being released.

ok but the main source of discussion for many shows is speculation of what comes next, why characters are doing what theyre doing, etc

theres not nearly as much to discuss at the end of the show when most things are resolved

ive been watching stargate for the first time recently

any time i make a post over on the stargate reddit about an episode plenty of discussion still happens

and stargate is a largely dead IP

oh and as pointed out earlier more posts does not mean more ppl talking about a thing

odds are the same handful of ppl would be talking about a show no matter how its released

WingsOfGood posted...

I also find it weird that people who have not made a show or invested their money into a show are arguing:

1. we need to have people be better engaged with a show
2. we want people to remember it more

Like, are you purposely trying to sound like a paid shill or something? You aren't on the netflix board of directors. This show is not an extension of your identity. Who gives a care about how engaged people are with it or how long they discuss it.

You have a life is what you guys are arguing yet you also argue you want sustain discussion of a dumb show to last longer over multiple months....

You find it weird people enjoy a community aspect of a show and dont like it when that community aspect is neutered?

counter argument to weekly discussions

there is multiple shows, games, world events happening that you can discuss to ad nauseum

that is why binge is better

when you finish a season on your own time because hopefully you have self control, you can discuss and be done with that

so you can move on and discuss something else

because surely you aren't only watching 1 single show and investing all your waking hours to discuss it and imagine what its cliff hanger means amirite?

AceMos posted...

any time i make a post over on the stargate reddit about an episode plenty of discussion still happens

and stargate is a largely dead IP

100%

yep

the argument of discussion is simply not sincere

The amount of logical fallacies in your argument is staggering.

Alright, I'm out. I'm done talking in circles.

LinkPizza posted...

When you said millennials had no patience, I was saying why wait for something if waiting provides no benefits. Thats just about things is general. Well wait IF waiting does have benefits For something like this, many people binge because for them, waiting provides no benefits

I completely disagree. There is the reason why the millennial generation are known as three pumps and a squirt in the sex scene.

But but but I want it now!

SHRlKE posted...

I completely disagree. There is the reason why the millennial generation are known as three pumps and a squirt in the sex scene.

But but but I want it now!

odds are you are a millennial

oh also in reality millennials have very kinky sex lives

Also it should be pointed out that Netflix is literally the only streaming service still doing full season releases at this point

Certai people itt are acting like that model is obviously superior when everyone else seems to disagree

side note how many people out there are really micromanaging their streaming service subscriptions on a monthly basis? Its just a subscribe and forget it thing for most people

pokedude900 posted...

The amount of logical fallacies in your argument is staggering.

Alright, I'm out. I'm done talking in circles.

there is no logical fallacy and you not pointing out is telling

learn some self control

pokedude900 posted...

Truthfully, when an entire season releases at once, I watch it LESS than once a week. I don't have the time to sit down and binge it. And since discussion fizzles out after a week or two, I lose my drive to keep up with it.

Like holy moly my dude you can somehow set a special day to watch a show not out yet every week but when a show is already out you are upset because you cannot do that for it?
That is a self control issue.

By the way people still discuss stranger things. I bet you knew that. Try coming up with sincere arguments.

pokedude900 posted...

Again, everyone watches at their own pace with the binge format.

I feel like this is good, though Everybody, including bingers, can watch at their own pace

DezDroppedFreak posted...

oh my god you are so obtuse

Jojo being swapped from weekly to batch release/mishandling by Netflix has demonstrably killed its hype and fan discussion. The difference in engagement between part 5s release, which was weekly, and 6s, which has been two 12 episode batch drops in ten months, is astounding. I dont know how it will affect the series going forward (Aka we better get steel ball run at some point), but as far as actual fan driven engagement goes, its in the toilet. It has not been lower since the animes beginning. Netflix has completely stifled any engagement and discussion of that show with the change in release format.

If you dont care about that, fine, but it is a show that swapping from weekly to batch has actually hurt discussion and engagement

Wow. Still insulting, I see Though, they say when all you have is insults left, youve already lost, so

Anyway, Im not obtuse But youre arguments are Hype works differently for different people. Maybe some people lost hype because of the batch release. Others may have lost hype had it been weekly release. I know that weekly release makes me lose my hype. And Ive heard other say the same. So, it would never be perfect, anyway. And people can still discuss it. Ive seen shows that were out for months or longer have discussions that got started up again just because someone made a new topic/post about it. And anyone can do that. So, if youre weekly, you can still make a topic saying how far you are, and only talk about things up to that point

And fan discussion doesnt actually have anything to do with success There are many people who love a show, but dont go in message boards or social media to discuss it with everybody. Some just talk to others in real life. Some just watch and enjoy it, talking to no one And even in fan discussion, a lot of posts also doesnt measure anything Maybe its one posts from a ton or users, or a bunch of posts from a few users Both of those can have the same amount of posts, but mean different things in terms of discussing a show

Ive seen binge shows with plenty of discussion and engagement. Maybe the amount changes. But its still there, and thats the important part

WingsOfGood posted...

I have never binged a full season of anything on netflix.

Know why?

1. I have self control
2. I actually have other things to do.

But you apparently have and say you have the life and others don't? huh

sus

Idk. I usually have the weekends off Sure, I have shit to do. But I also have time to relax. Not to mention, I can watch while doing certain shit. Like laundry or while at work And when Im relaxing with my BF. Having shit to do doesnt mean you cant binge And not everyone who binges finished the first day. Could take 2 or 3 depending on how busy work is

pokedude900 posted...

Truthfully, when an entire season releases at once, I watch it LESS than once a week. I don't have the time to sit down and binge it. And since discussion fizzles out after a week or two, I lose my drive to keep up with it.

Which makes sense. Thats how I feel when shows release weekly I lose interest in a couple of weeks, and then forget about it And then its hard for me to get back into afterwards

SHRlKE posted...

I completely disagree. There is the reason why the millennial generation are known as three pumps and a squirt in the sex scene.

But but but I want it now!

Idk where you got the three pumps and a squirt thing from And I am a millennial, and know that millennials grew up with regular tv. And having the option watch everything without waiting a week was pretty awesome to get Again, we can have patience. But why wait when it doesnt benefit you. If youre thirsty, grab a drink The only reason to wait is if you have limited drinks. But if you dont have limited drinks at the time, then drink

TheGoldenEel posted...

Also it should be pointed out that Netflix is literally the only streaming service still doing full season releases at this point

Certai people itt are acting like that model is obviously superior when everyone else seems to disagree

side note how many people out there are really micromanaging their streaming service subscriptions on a monthly basis? Its just a subscribe and forget it thing for most people

Many of the other streaming sites are actually tv channels that got there out streaming service. So, them releasing things weekly makes sense as they still have tv channels that are doing that. And they dont want the service to fall to far behind Some people like NetFlix specifically FOR the full season drop, though

And while I dont really micromanage mine too much, I know many people who do. For the ones only watching certain shows, why should they keep a streaming service for a year when they watch everything they want to in a month? Its just a waste of money at that point

Linkpizza I am talking about a show that was weekly for its nearly decade long run, had plenty of discussion, went batch, and most of that dropped off a cliff

anything you say against that is moot

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Linkpizza I am talking about a show that was weekly, had plenty of discussion, went batch, and most of that dropped off a cliff

anything you say against that is moot

And basing how well a show is based off of discussion isnt a good measure at all

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Linkpizza I am talking about a show that was weekly for its nearly decade long run, had plenty of discussion, went batch, and most of that dropped off a cliff

anything you say against that is moot

What show is this?
Almost sounds like you enjoyed the discussion more than the show.

WingsOfGood posted...

I like discussion and speculation too but never have I thought "I wish the makers of this would purposely draw it out so I can discuss this for months instead of just let me finish it so I can discuss it for a day or two."

I have binged some old shows before and thought it would have been better to have watched it weekly.

Also, regarding discussions and whatnot, weekly releases solve the coordination problems by providing external reference points. While with a binge model release, people have to organize.

WingsOfGood posted...

What show is this?
Almost sounds like you enjoyed the discussion more than the show.

I believe they are referring to JoJos season 6

not what Im arguing. I am not arguing about Netflixs algorithm to determine success or failure. I am literally saying you either lose a large chunk of that community aspect or it falls off a cliff after a week with batch format, and jojo is the one community I am in where it went from weekly to batch, and that engagement and discussion fell off a cliff.

In that way, Netflix has killed jojo

WingsOfGood posted...

What show is this?
Almost sounds like you enjoyed the discussion more than the show.

No I enjoy the show. I also enjoyed the community aspect of it which is demonstrably not the same anymore

Honestly I feel like Weekly shows are better for viewer engagement as well

like I feel like Im way more likely to finish a mid show if its just a 30-60 minute appointment each week as opposed to an 8 hour chunk of content I lose interest in halfway through

i dont know what the numbers are on this though, Id be curious

Lmao.

Jojo is the worst one to use here because whether your release it binge or weekly the content is already finished.

Manga was done years ago so people can spoil you. Similarly, people been discussing a manga that was done for years anyways.

Netflix didn't hurt Stone Ocean by releasing it as binge. What hurt it was the shift from FREE to paid. It was free on crunchyroll.
Also, having only 12 episodes then half a year break was quite jarring.

Not only did it go from free to paid, it being done this way meant it wasn't just like $9 or w./e netflix is now but $18.

Imagine if it was oneNetflix WEEKLY!

Then you might need 3 subs to watch the full show and WOW

talk about killing a community....

DezDroppedFreak posted...

not what Im arguing. I am not arguing about Netflixs algorithm to determine success or failure. I am literally saying you either lose a large chunk of that community aspect or it falls off a cliff after a week with batch format, and jojo is the one community I am in where it went from weekly to batch, and that engagement and discussion fell off a cliff.

In that way, Netflix has killed jojo

You can always restart discussion. I know plenty of binge shows where people have made topics after discussion stopped for a bit, and people started talking about it again You can even watch weekly yourself, and start a discussion every week telling others not to discuss anything past that episode. And even set up a group with friends to do that Discussion usually has an ending point. Nothing wrong with that

People Ive talked to still enjoy the show Regardless of how they were released. At least, they seem to. So, I dont see how NetFlix killed Jojo It only stop weekly discussions, and thats only if someone doesnt make a topic. If you dont want weekly discussions to stop, then keep making topics. Plus, lots of other interesting topic about a show are available. Like a deeper look into characters. Or trying to understand certain parts a little better Things like that You can always keep discussion going if you trying

Tell me where I said anything about spoilers. I have read the series.

No, swapping to a batch format demonstrably hurt engagement. Jojo Fridays are dead. That is not a thing anymore. Yes, you can say not having a freemium option did not help it either.

Also that is not abnormal for an anime. What is abnormal is dropping it in batch instead of weekly and making what would be a three month break a six month break. I think Spy X Family is a good example of where weekly drops has dramatically helped hold the hype for the second part

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Tell me where I said anything about spoilers. I have read the series.

So do you believe no one discussed stone ocean until the anime came out?

Youre going to have to tell me where I ever brought up spoilers

WingsOfGood posted...

Lmao.

Jojo is the worst one to use here because whether your release it binge or weekly the content is already finished.

Manga was done years ago so people can spoil you. Similarly, people been discussing a manga that was done for years anyways.

Netflix didn't hurt Stone Ocean by releasing it as binge. What hurt it was the shift from FREE to paid. It was free on crunchyroll.
Also, having only 12 episodes then half a year break was quite jarring.

The manga having been finished well before any of the anime parts makes the argument stronger, not weaker.

Also, shows would become free on Crunchyroll after a weeks delay, but there would be plenty of discussion in the first week for popular shows. So plenty of people were either paying or pirating.

I thought I was done with Stranger Things after season 2 but a friend hyped up Season 4 for me.

The final two episodes were delayed by a couple of weeks and in that time I was able to watch season 3 and the rest of season 4, just in time for the final.

It actually worked out for me because for most shows I usually wait until most of the episodes are out to finally jump in & binge.

you guys can like however you want. it's just the reasons to like weekly releases has been dumb as hail. "i have better discussions with friends. i have a life. availability is bad. i like to wait.".

uwnim posted...

The manga having been finished well before any of the anime parts makes the argument stronger, not weaker.

You mean it makes the binge argument stronger and the weekly one weeker.

How so?

The idea that binging kills dicussion is disproven.

How so?

You literally have people who have binged and finished a series to the end.

Then new people come in who have not.

And they both are able to discuss the series.

Isn't that...

crazy?

Crazy isn't it?

But I thought when people finish something, they forget all about it or meanly spoil others etc.

Yet they can completely finish to the end and then.... still discuss it with others.

Wild.

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Youre going to have to tell me where I ever brought up spoilers

Oh now you pivot to insincere discussion?

So do you believe no one discussed stone ocean until the anime came out?

Is not asking about spoilers.

You finished the manga before the show.

Yet you want to still discuss it? Yet you had discussed it before the show existed?