Current Events > What is the point of NG+ in games?

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Like what is the point of playing the same game but just a lot easier to the point there is no challenge whatsoever?

fun, entertainment

Game Mastery. Using all the cool abilities in a fresh run. Cuz it was a good game.

It's better than sequels coming up with bullshit plot reasons why you lose all your crap from previous games.

Verdekal posted...

It's better than sequels coming up with bullshit plot reasons why you lose all your crap from previous games.

whut?

wanderingshade posted...

Game Mastery. Using all the cool abilities in a fresh run. Cuz it was a good game.

You dont get to enjoy using special abilities to kill people when you could just kill them with a single standard attack. There is no challenge whatsoever.

To play the game again with the items you had before, to make the game more fun with you being so powerful and being able to use stuff you could not when you first played through the game.

Verdekal posted...

It's better than sequels coming up with bullshit plot reasons why you lose all your crap from previous games.

Id hate starting new games with all my overpowered stuff. That kills the fun for me.

Experience it all again without the tedium of low level fights with weak gear.

Try new strategies.

Try out tactics on parts of the game that come before you unlock those tactics.

And some games increase the difficulty in the new game.

i guess for a different ending achievement, hard mode achievement, something you missed, etc. some games change things or have new items, too

Some people like to dominate things they struggle with in the first run. And the like to experiment with these sort of things. It's kinda why I used GameShark codes on games that I already beaten. It's a fresh way to experience a game. Some people like that sort of thing and others don't see the point, if you don't get it then you don't get it. It's like asking someone why their taste buds like oranges over apples. There's no point in asking lol

See, when you don't grow up rich and priviledged, you wouldn't get new games whenever you wanted. You needed to make games last until the next major giftgiving holiday. NGplus essentially doubled the gameplay allure.

Achievement clean up

Its the power fantasy. Dragons Dogma is a great example.

Dark souls 2 did ng+ right

The best way to do New Game+ is if it comes with a brand new difficulty mode to compensate for all the abilities you have at the start.

In some cases it's for new game plus only super bosses or dungeons or maybe to get the entire story in a lot faster time span than one that may have taken weeks or months to finish.

Im personally not a big fan of it unless theres new content or quality of life improvements of some kind.

Dragons Dogma is a great example of postgame/NG+ done right, not because youre OP but because of the new stuff it adds.

It served a story purpose in Chrono Trigger where defeating the final boss at certain points in the story unlocked different endings.

Tales games have all of those unlockables

It's fun to steamroll enemies. A boss gave you a rough time on playthrough 1? Who's laughing now punk!

I feel like Chrono Trigger and Automata did NG+ right. Others are boring or lifeless.

Slaya4 posted...

I feel like Chrono Trigger and Automata did NG+ right. Others are boring or lifeless.

The Ratchet and Clank series does too. It adds new upgrade levels to your weapons, reveals the skill point requirements, makes the enemies harder, and adds a cash multiplier for each enemy you kill without getting hit.

CT did NG+ right in the sense that its story was written, more or less, as a CYOA. But a game like FFX, which was linear as fuck, had a NG+ simply for getting good equip and abilities.

I like it in the tales games because a lot of times the non-MCs get shafted and so it's nice to play through the game as them with all of their kit unlocked already.

I think it's also nice if you want a simpler time playing through the game if you want to relax and enjoy the story again.

curbstomp run

I don't think the original Resident Evil games had NG+, but you could unlock a rocket launcher that has infinite ammo and use it every enemy in another playthrough.

A lot of games scale their difficulty to match when you do a NG+.

Naysaspace posted...

CT did NG+ right in the sense that its story was written, more or less, as a CYOA. But a game like FFX, which was linear as fuck, had a NG+ simply for getting good equip and abilities.

FFX doesnt have NG+.

spikethedevil posted...

FFX doesnt have NG+.

Yeah, probably thinking of FFX2, which is slightly less linear. Like, the main story is linear, but there are like twenty different stories spanning the game that can end in multiple ways and there are different endings to the game, so it's more worthwhile to play through it again. In FFX there are like three things that can change based on your actions.

Not everyone wants to play through an entire saga from scratch just to recruit different characters or see an alternative ending. Or to even just enjoy the story/world/level-design again.

A number of games have their own built-in cheat kodes and easy modes. Sometimes NG+ is just there to be an earned set of cheats.

Then there are kases where NG+ fits in with the games cyclical or time travel theme and/or have paths/options that you kannot do without being impossibly over-leveled or already in possession of some item that you don't really get until later.

There more to gaming than challenge.

Absolutely demolishing the game can be fun

theres also different types of NG+

The kind that ups the enemy levels is also fun bc it extends replay ability

For those who really like a game, to make different choices and take a different path when the story branches. Usually, as a means to see a different ending or beat a boss that could not have been beaten the first playthrough (or would have required massive amounts of grinding.)

Was chrono trigger the first ng+?

Hambo posted...

Yeah, probably thinking of FFX2, which is slightly less linear. Like, the main story is linear, but there are like twenty different stories spanning the game that can end in multiple ways and there are different endings to the game, so it's more worthwhile to play through it again. In FFX there are like three things that can change based on your actions.

Lol only reason to replay FFX is to get the goddamn missable primers

It can be fun to annihilate everything.

Besides, not every NG+ works like that. A game like Devil May Cry's equivalent of NG+ is playing through again on a higher difficulty, and those higher difficulties often need the upgrades you unlocked on your first run to really stand a chance. And you won't have everything unlocked on your first run through a DMC game anyway!

VampireCoyote posted...

fun

Topic over in first word

SHRlKE posted...

Lol only reason to replay FFX is to get the goddamn missable primers

FFX aged like trash and is a crap game these days and I will stand by that to my death

Theres no reason to play it even once anymore

VigorouslySwish posted...

FFX aged like trash and is a crap game these days and I will stand by that to my death

Theres no reason to play it even once anymore

Ill take shit takes for 100.

spikethedevil posted...

Ill take shit takes for 100.

I will concede that the inability to skip cutscenes makes replaying a chore

There's like 11 hours of unskippable dialogue each playthrough

spikethedevil posted...

Ill take shit takes for 100.

its a shit game dude

way too easy, stupid story, HORRIBLE voice acting, the required blitzball part sucks ass, even the music is subpar for an FF game

the sphere grid was the only decent part in its time, but the idea has been tinkered with and done much better in other games since then and now it just feels basic and outdated in FFX

come to terms with it bro u know its true

UnfairRepresent posted...

I will concede that the inability to skip cutscenes makes replaying a chore

There's like 11 hours of unskippable dialogue each playthrough

yeah that really sucks too

it was released in a time when cutscenes were seen as some of the best parts of the game, so back then people didnt mind it. But now cutscenes are seen as intrusive and shitty (the cutscene is dead) and the best way to tell the story is during gameplay

VigorouslySwish posted...

HORRIBLE voice acting, t

I thought the voice acting was great

ass, even the music is subpar

WHAT!?

It has a legit GOAT OST contender .

UnfairRepresent posted...

I thought the voice acting was great

WHAT!?

It has a legit GOAT OST contender .

ok now youre just trolling

Replay value.

The first game that I played in which NG+ was a thing was Takes of Symphonia, you needed to beat it three times to 100% the whole game. In order to view certain parts of the game, you will need to play it about 7 times due to how a certain scene plays out in Flanoir.

VigorouslySwish posted...

ok now youre just trolling

If someone served you a plate full of used cat litter, Unfair would call it filet mignon and eat every bite just because you said it was a pile of dirty shit.

VigorouslySwish posted...

ok now youre just trolling

https://youtu.be/U9dEu29RY44

https://youtu.be/hk88cJ9KRjE

https://youtu.be/oqlLEjBqYZQ

https://youtu.be/V4kj5ScQnd8

UnfairRepresent posted...

https://youtu.be/U9dEu29RY44

https://youtu.be/hk88cJ9KRjE

https://youtu.be/oqlLEjBqYZQ

https://youtu.be/V4kj5ScQnd8

I mean compared to most games, yeah it was still a good soundtrack. But compared to other FF games, it was lacking. FF games are always some of the best soundtracks in the industry, if not THE best

VigorouslySwish posted...

I mean compared to most games, yeah it was still a good soundtrack. But compared to other FF games, it was lacking. FF games are always some of the best soundtracks in the industry, if not THE best

I'd say X and IX are the BEST FF soundtracks

You can feel the emotion in them