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COVxy 08/31/22 7:31:36 PM #101:	Alucard188 posted... Giving them better social supports. Does lowering the age of work intersect with this at all? Or are you just upset at the *reality* that for some children, they are placed in a fucked up situation that having the ability to get work is better than not? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:967709007] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>Giving them better social supports.</quote>Does lowering the age of work intersect with this at all?Or are you just upset at the reality that for some children, they are placed in a fucked up situation that having the ability to get work is better than not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 08/31/22 7:32:44 PM #102:	The GOP wants child labor to come back. --- Doom, the game with unlimited ways to play. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:967709027] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>The GOP wants child labor to come back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 08/31/22 7:36:36 PM #103:	COVxy posted... Does lowering the age of work intersect with this at all? Or are you just upset at the *reality* that for some children, they are placed in a fucked up situation that having the ability to get work is better than not? So now we're regurgitating talking points. You know what benefits the poor? Giving them better social supports. Lowering the legal work age without giving support to the families is at best a bandaid solution that does nothing to address the root cause of _why they are poor_. I.E. Fix the reasons why families are poor and allow kids to decide when and if they want to work. Working to provide for your family at 13 is society's failing. Lowering the working age without giving supports for families to address why they're poor only benefits the corporations and the governments. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:967709126] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>Does lowering the age of work intersect with this at all?Or are you just upset at the reality that for some children, they are placed in a fucked up situation that having the ability to get work is better than not?</quote>So now we're regurgitating talking points.<quote>You know what benefits the poor? Giving them better social supports. Lowering the legal work age without giving support to the families is at best a bandaid solution that does nothing to address the root cause of _why they are poor_.</quote>I.E. Fix the reasons why families are poor and allow kids to decide when and if they want to work. Working to provide for your family at 13 is society's failing. Lowering the working age without giving supports for families to address why they're poor only benefits the corporations and the governments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 08/31/22 7:38:29 PM #104:	I wanted to work as a kid, my kids want to work i had money, my kids have money --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:967709178] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>I wanted to work as a kid, my kids want to work i had money, my kids have money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/31/22 7:41:29 PM #105:	Gamerguymass posted... You do know that America generally has the highest age of consent in the entire western world right? Most everywhere else has it lower already and their societies aren't crumbling into decay like people think will happen. It's not even 18 in the majority of America not to mention there is a federal age of 16 applying to soldiers overseas. I honestly don't think most people here seem to understand what the age of consent or lowering it even means. People act like lowering it is the same thing as legalizing rape. Lowering it would lead to more instances of rape having to be proven", wouldn't it? Gamerguymass posted... Because some people seem to think discussing lowering the age teenagers can get a job by one year is the same thing as lowering the age of consent and equate it to rape. I think the comparison is more that both lead to easier exploitation of children... <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:967709235] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite><quote>You do know that America generally has the highest age of consent in the entire western world right? Most everywhere else has it lower already and their societies aren't crumbling into decay like people think will happen. It's not even 18 in the majority of America not to mention there is a federal age of 16 applying to soldiers overseas.I honestly don't think most people here seem to understand what the age of consent or lowering it even means. People act like lowering it is the same thing as legalizing rape.</quote> Lowering it would* lead to more instances of rape having to be *proven", wouldn't it?Gamerguymass posted... </cite><quote>Because some people seem to think discussing lowering the age teenagers can get a job by one year is the same thing as lowering the age of consent and equate it to rape.</quote>I think the comparison is more that both lead to easier exploitation of children...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 08/31/22 7:42:06 PM #106:	Alucard188 posted... So now we're regurgitating talking points. I.E. Fix the reasons why families are poor and allow kids to decide when and if they want to work. Working to provide for your family at 13 is society's failing. Lowering the working age without giving supports for families to address why they're poor only benefits the corporations and the governments. Pro-tip: i don't disagree with anything you said, except the bolded. Because while they are being exploited, if it puts them in a better situation than they were in before, it is literally benefiting them. When you're poor, it's just a given that your life consists of being exploited by others. The question is, pragmatically, what can i do to be better off than I was before. I wouldn't be where I am without accepting situations that clearly were not fair. But they got me ahead! If you remove those, *before* fixing the underlying problems, which is often what privileged people do or want to do after peeking their heads into the lives of the poor, you have not only done nothing to help them, you've ensured that they never escape poverty. It's easy to say "that's not fair, let's fix it", much harder to anticipate the actual effect that will have on people unless you have perspective. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:967709247] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>So now we're regurgitating talking points.I.E. Fix the reasons why families are poor and allow kids to decide when and if they want to work. Working to provide for your family at 13 is society's failing. Lowering the working age without giving supports for families to address why they're poor only benefits the corporations and the governments.</quote>Pro-tip: i don't disagree with anything you said, except the bolded. Because while they are being exploited, if it puts them in a better situation than they were in before, it is literally benefiting them.When you're poor, it's just a given that your life consists of being exploited by others. The question is, pragmatically, what can i do to be better off than I was before. I wouldn't be where I am without accepting situations that clearly were not fair. But they got me ahead! If you remove those, before fixing the underlying problems, which is often what privileged people do or want to do after peeking their heads into the lives of the poor, you have not only done nothing to help them, you've ensured that they never escape poverty.It's easy to say "that's not fair, let's fix it", much harder to anticipate the actual effect that will have on people unless you have perspective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 08/31/22 7:52:13 PM #107:	Ruvan22 posted... Lowering it would lead to more instances of rape having to be proven", wouldn't it? I think the comparison is more that both lead to easier exploitation of children... It would also reduce the amount of investigations as well though from statutory rape cases. So if you mean it would be a drain on court resources then I would say it wouldn't be much more then today. The biggest issue would be parents claiming their kid was raped or pressuring their kid to say it was rape even if it wasn't. We see that in some of these teacher/student cases where some guy is happily banging his hot teacher for a year or two and then gets caught and next thing you know he is testifying how the teacher who is half his size is forcing him to have sex. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:967709475] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite><quote>Lowering it would* lead to more instances of rape having to be *proven", wouldn't it?I think the comparison is more that both lead to easier exploitation of children...</quote>It would also reduce the amount of investigations as well though from statutory rape cases. So if you mean it would be a drain on court resources then I would say it wouldn't be much more then today. The biggest issue would be parents claiming their kid was raped or pressuring their kid to say it was rape even if it wasn't. We see that in some of these teacher/student cases where some guy is happily banging his hot teacher for a year or two and then gets caught and next thing you know he is testifying how the teacher who is half his size is forcing him to have sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 08/31/22 7:55:29 PM #108:	I started at 14. Nothing wrong with working some part time to again experience. --- Italian, French, German. <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:967709545] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>I started at 14. Nothing wrong with working some part time to again experience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/31/22 8:00:57 PM #109:	If we fixed the underlying problems, then we wouldn't need the bullshit of children working for a pittance so their family can still be dirt fucking poor, but now with their children also exploited by the system. CoVxy seems to be operating under the misguided impression that a system that exploits goddamn middle schoolers would do so if they intended to fix it. Allowing it at all is part of the problem. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png Your uneducated opinions are worthless. <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:967709659] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>If we fixed the underlying problems, then we wouldn't need the bullshit of children working for a pittance so their family can still be dirt fucking poor, but now with their children also exploited by the system.CoVxy seems to be operating under the misguided impression that a system that exploits goddamn middle schoolers would do so if they intended to fix it. Allowing it at all is part of the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 08/31/22 8:07:51 PM #111:	COVxy posted... Denote the change that's happening here, with respect to a poor person's perspective. What has changed for them? Nothing, other than having the option to work if necessary. Yeah, systemically it's fucked, but for the poor person all you've done is give an option. But nothing about keeping it where it is, or pushing it higher, is benefiting the poor, unless it comes with additional social supports. So, just lambasting this change is showing a lack of the ability to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is poor, and might be thrown into that situation, with the world is it is, not how you want it to be. You're buying in to their propaganda. Instead of calling them out for trying to exploit poor children and forcing them to actually talk about real solutions, your defending the exploitation of children because it " gives them an option." --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:967709833] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>Denote the change that's happening here, with respect to a poor person's perspective. What has changed for them? Nothing, other than having the option to work if necessary. Yeah, systemically it's fucked, but for the poor person all you've done is give an option. But nothing about keeping it where it is, or pushing it higher, is benefiting the poor, unless it comes with additional social supports. So, just lambasting this change is showing a lack of the ability to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is poor, and might be thrown into that situation, with the world is it is, not how you want it to be.</quote>You're buying in to their propaganda. Instead of calling them out for trying to exploit poor children and forcing them to actually talk about real solutions, your defending the exploitation of children because it " gives them an option."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 08/31/22 8:09:39 PM #112:	IfGodCouldDie posted... You're buying in to their propaganda. Instead of calling them out for trying to exploit poor children and forcing them to actually talk about real solutions, your defending the exploitation of children because it " gives them an option." I'm not buying into any propaganda lol, i lived this shit. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:967709877] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite><quote>You're buying in to their propaganda. Instead of calling them out for trying to exploit poor children and forcing them to actually talk about real solutions, your defending the exploitation of children because it " gives them an option."</quote>I'm not buying into any propaganda lol, i lived this shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 08/31/22 8:11:04 PM #113:	COVxy posted... I'm not buying into any propaganda lol, i lived this shit. Oh, so you're one of those "because I suffered everyone should suffer" types. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:967709910] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>I'm not buying into any propaganda lol, i lived this shit.</quote>Oh, so you're one of those "because I suffered everyone should suffer" types.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 08/31/22 8:11:47 PM #114:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Oh, so you're one of those "because I suffered everyone should suffer" types. No, did you read any of my posts? Like actually read them, not skim for tone and then react? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:967709924] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite><quote>Oh, so you're one of those "because I suffered everyone should suffer" types.</quote>No, did you read any of my posts? Like actually read them, not skim for tone and then react?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 08/31/22 8:14:23 PM #115:	90% of doesnt even like or have kids --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:967709981] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>90% of doesnt even like or have kids </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cubis101 08/31/22 8:42:19 PM #117:	My experience with younger workers hasn't been the best. You can luck out and get an incredible worker which is what I saw a pair of 17 year olds hitting the 2 year mark at McDonald's and could run the whole store by themselves. My last day there I had to train a 15 year old who didn't want to do his job, listen or learn anything, and he dropped the N word twice on his first shift. There are pros and cons to this but let's see if this happens first. --- GT, PSN, Switch, & Steam: Cubis101 Currently Playing: Super Auto Pets, Multiversus, Super Mario Odyssey, Paper Mario, League of Kingdoms <cite>Cubis101 posted [p:967710648] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>My experience with younger workers hasn't been the best. You can luck out and get an incredible worker which is what I saw a pair of 17 year olds hitting the 2 year mark at McDonald's and could run the whole store by themselves. My last day there I had to train a 15 year old who didn't want to do his job, listen or learn anything, and he dropped the N word twice on his first shift. There are pros and cons to this but let's see if this happens first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/31/22 8:54:10 PM #118:	"Pragmatically, we can't get our governments to institute large social safety nets and stop exploiting the poor and underprivileged. So the least they can do for us is lower the working age to birth so the poor can send their 8 year olds to work and afford to eat this week." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png Your uneducated opinions are worthless. <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:967710952] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>"Pragmatically, we can't get our governments to institute large social safety nets and stop exploiting the poor and underprivileged. So the least they can do for us is lower the working age to birth so the poor can send their 8 year olds to work and afford to eat this week."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 08/31/22 8:58:40 PM #119:	ToadallyAwesome posted... This is a slippery slope and anyone defending it is just wrong. This is not a solution and would be rife with a multitude of issues. There are a TON of people here who foolishly believe slippery slope isn't a real thing --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:967711042] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>ToadallyAwesome posted... </cite><quote>This is a slippery slope and anyone defending it is just wrong. This is not a solution and would be rife with a multitude of issues.</quote>There are a TON of people here who foolishly believe slippery slope isn't a real thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 08/31/22 8:59:28 PM #120:	holy shit what the fuck --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:967711060] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>holy shit what the fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/31/22 9:13:28 PM #121:	COVxy posted... See, i'm here, trying to discuss a super important topic, from a perspective that you likely very rarely get the chance to intersect with. And all you do is post this stupid shit and mock. Like actually engage honestly, or fuck off. @COVxy Yes, it is important they we change society for the better, not call that idealistic and instead ask for the government to lower the working age because it would make lives forced into that position by that government slightly less awful at a cost. "Lower the working age until they institute support systems" is not a temporary solution because moving backwards is only going to make the ideal even less possible. You're getting mad that people are vehemently against middle schoolers working to support a family. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png Your uneducated opinions are worthless. <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:967711369] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>See, i'm here, trying to discuss a super important topic, from a perspective that you likely very rarely get the chance to intersect with. And all you do is post this stupid shit and mock. Like actually engage honestly, or fuck off.</quote>@COVxy Yes, it is important they we change society for the better, not call that idealistic and instead ask for the government to lower the working age because it would make lives forced into that position by that government slightly less awful at a cost."Lower the working age until they institute support systems" is not a temporary solution because moving backwards is only going to make the ideal even less possible.You're getting mad that people are vehemently against middle schoolers working to support a family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 08/31/22 9:18:24 PM #122:	Nah, i got mad at you for taking a serious topic and degrading it with your bullshit. I've been explaining myself very clearly with a lot of patience otherwise lol. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:967711448] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Nah, i got mad at you for taking a serious topic and degrading it with your bullshit.I've been explaining myself very clearly with a lot of patience otherwise lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 08/31/22 10:50:50 PM #123:	R1masher posted... I wanted to work as a kid, my kids want to work i had money, my kids have money Yes yes, send the kids to the coal mines because no adult wants to break their back and die for 4 dollars an hour 16 hours a day <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:967713303] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>R1masher posted... </cite><quote>I wanted to work as a kid, my kids want to work i had money, my kids have money</quote>Yes yes, send the kids to the coal mines because no adult wants to break their back and die for 4 dollars an hour 16 hours a day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 08/31/22 10:56:18 PM #124:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Yes yes, send the kids to the coal mines because no adult wants to break their back and die for 4 dollars an hour 16 hours a day If thats what they want idk what the problem is. Sarcasm aside outside the notion of exploitation some teens do want to work for money. Its not an unheard of thing its jist a matter of hitting that sweet spot that will work for everyone. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:967713382] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Yes yes, send the kids to the coal mines because no adult wants to break their back and die for 4 dollars an hour 16 hours a day</quote>If thats what they want idk what the problem is.Sarcasm aside outside the notion of exploitation some teens do want to work for money. Its not an unheard of thing its jist a matter of hitting that sweet spot that will work for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 08/31/22 10:57:06 PM #125:	Baha05 posted... If thats what they want idk what the problem is. Sarcasm aside outside the notion of exploitation some teens do want to work for money. Its not an unheard of thing its jist a matter of hitting that sweet spot that will work for everyone. Whats the argument against the current regulations no bullshit Republican propaganda please <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:967713399] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Baha05 posted... </cite><quote>If thats what they want idk what the problem is.Sarcasm aside outside the notion of exploitation some teens do want to work for money. Its not an unheard of thing its jist a matter of hitting that sweet spot that will work for everyone.</quote>Whats the argument against the current regulationsno bullshit Republican propaganda please </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 08/31/22 11:14:45 PM #126:	Absolutely fucking not. We don't need kids who can barely understand shit at that level of cognitive development to work shifts at a job. And we don't need people to start working from 13 to age 79. --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:967713676] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely fucking not. We don't need kids who can barely understand shit at that level of cognitive development to work shifts at a job. And we don't need people to start working from 13 to age 79. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 08/31/22 11:34:54 PM #127:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Whats the argument against the current regulations no bullshit Republican propaganda please Define the regulations --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:967713978] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Whats the argument against the current regulationsno bullshit Republican propaganda please</quote>Define the regulations </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poorly 08/31/22 11:38:00 PM #128:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... The system literally only values you for your ability to make businesses richer Fuck capitalism Nancy Pelosi has been advocating to remove capitalism in our country. @NeonOctopus --- <cite>Poorly posted [p:967714021] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite><quote>The system literally only values you for your ability to make businesses richerFuck capitalism</quote>Nancy Pelosi has been advocating to remove capitalism in our country.@NeonOctopus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
epik_fail1 08/31/22 11:47:20 PM #129:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Oh, so you're one of those "because I suffered everyone should suffer" types. Having the option to do a part time job and forcing them to have one are two very different things. I got a part time job in a summer when I was 14(or maybe 15)? I did not work that much --- Dragaux for smash! <cite>epik_fail1 posted [p:967714163] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite><quote>Oh, so you're one of those "because I suffered everyone should suffer" types.</quote>Having the option to do a part time job and forcing them to have one are two very different things. I got a part time job in a summer when I was 14(or maybe 15)? I did not work that much</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/01/22 12:39:21 AM #130:	COVxy posted... Nah, i got mad at you for taking a serious topic and degrading it with your bullshit. I've been explaining myself very clearly with a lot of patience otherwise lol. And you explained that you believe not lowering the working age in our current society is damaging to poor families. Children working is wrong. It shouldn't be allowed. I get that you don't see it as ideal, but accepting it, even begrudgingly, is exactly what they want. Lower the age to 13 and 12 is next, not a push to increased social welfare. If the government can lower the working age to "help" poor families, instead it can just institute the social safety nets and actually help them. I'm not degrading anything with bullshit. If you have an ideal, then don't accept anything that moves us away from it. I don't know where I showed that I didn't find this issue serious. Don't degrade yourself by venturing into Broseph_Stalin territory and calling people out-of-touch/privileged for being too idealistic or whatever. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png Your uneducated opinions are worthless. <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:967714829] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>Nah, i got mad at you for taking a serious topic and degrading it with your bullshit.I've been explaining myself very clearly with a lot of patience otherwise lol.</quote>And you explained that you believe not lowering the working age in our current society is damaging to poor families.Children working is wrong. It shouldn't be allowed. I get that you don't see it as ideal, but accepting it, even begrudgingly, is exactly what they want. Lower the age to 13 and 12 is next, not a push to increased social welfare. If the government can lower the working age to "help" poor families, instead it can just institute the social safety nets and actually help them.I'm not degrading anything with bullshit. If you have an ideal, then don't accept anything that moves us away from it. I don't know where I showed that I didn't find this issue serious. Don't degrade yourself by venturing into Broseph_Stalin territory and calling people out-of-touch/privileged for being too idealistic or whatever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/01/22 1:11:05 AM #131:	Baha05 posted... Define the regulations The regulations in place today already that republicans are trying to change <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:967715207] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Baha05 posted... </cite><quote>Define the regulations</quote>The regulations in place today already that republicans are trying to change </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/01/22 7:34:41 PM #132:	Gamerguymass posted... It would also reduce the amount of investigations as well though from statutory rape cases. So if you mean it would be a drain on court resources then I would say it wouldn't be much more then today. The biggest issue would be parents claiming their kid was raped or pressuring their kid to say it was rape even if it wasn't. We see that in some of these teacher/student cases where some guy is happily banging his hot teacher for a year or two and then gets caught and next thing you know he is testifying how the teacher who is half his size is forcing him to have sex. Is reducing the investigation of statutory rape cases a good thing? o.0 Regardless that's not what I meant by "having to 'prove' more cases of rape" - I was saying that reducing AoC means perpetrators can say "oh she/he consented!!" and elude charges. On a separate note - are you saying a student "happily banging his hot teacher" is an.. okay situation? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:967732076] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite><quote>It would also reduce the amount of investigations as well though from statutory rape cases. So if you mean it would be a drain on court resources then I would say it wouldn't be much more then today. The biggest issue would be parents claiming their kid was raped or pressuring their kid to say it was rape even if it wasn't. We see that in some of these teacher/student cases where some guy is happily banging his hot teacher for a year or two and then gets caught and next thing you know he is testifying how the teacher who is half his size is forcing him to have sex.</quote>Is reducing the investigation of statutory rape cases a good thing? o.0 Regardless that's not what I meant by "having to 'prove' more cases of rape" - I was saying that reducing AoC means perpetrators can say "oh she/he consented!!" and elude charges. On a separate note - are you saying a student "happily banging his hot teacher" is an.. okay situation? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/01/22 7:36:14 PM #133:	Trumble posted... I had my first job at 15, and would've done so even younger if I were allowed tbh. Schooling isn't a useful use of time for everyone after a certain point, and while I did well in it, I can't say I've ever used almost anything I learnt there beyond when I was 13ish for anything more purposeful than trivia. Though any such measure would need to be a voluntary thing. Fuck forcing anyone to get a job that young. How exactly would we decide that a child doesn't need to be in school anymore? Based on the 13 year old's assessment of it being useful to him/her? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:967732102] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>I had my first job at 15, and would've done so even younger if I were allowed tbh. Schooling isn't a useful use of time for everyone after a certain point, and while I did well in it, I can't say I've ever used almost anything I learnt there beyond when I was 13ish for anything more purposeful than trivia.Though any such measure would need to be a voluntary thing. Fuck forcing anyone to get a job that young.</quote>How exactly would we decide that a child doesn't need to be in school anymore? Based on the 13 year old's assessment of it being useful to him/her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crimsoness 09/01/22 7:37:50 PM #134:	Back to the mines with you Timmy! --- CrimsonAngel, she/her <cite>Crimsoness posted [p:967732123] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Back to the mines with you Timmy!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 09/01/22 8:36:50 PM #135:	Ruvan22 posted... Is reducing the investigation of statutory rape cases a good thing? o.0 Regardless that's not what I meant by "having to 'prove' more cases of rape" - I was saying that reducing AoC means perpetrators can say "oh she/he consented!!" and elude charges. On a separate note - are you saying a student "happily banging his hot teacher" is an.. okay situation? Statutory rape is consensual sex, that's why it's not a straight rape charge. It's when the underage party willingly has sex with the other person but because they are under the age of consent it's illegal. It's to differentiate between forceful rape. Think of it like the horny 15 year old babysitter with the hots for the young good looking dad. If she seduces him and they have sex it's illegal, at least in America, but because she willingly had sex with him, and was even the instigator, it is a charge of statutory rape because she is under the age of consent. If the dad just threw her to the ground and tore her clothes off then that would be an outright rape charge as she did not consent to that. Usually anything below about 12 or 13 is also an automatic straight rape charge as well. That is what I mean by they will spend less time investigating statutory rape because by definition statutory rape is consensual but illegal. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:967733305] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite><quote>Is reducing the investigation of statutory rape cases a good thing? o.0 Regardless that's not what I meant by "having to 'prove' more cases of rape" - I was saying that reducing AoC means perpetrators can say "oh she/he consented!!" and elude charges. On a separate note - are you saying a student "happily banging his hot teacher" is an.. okay situation?</quote>Statutory rape is consensual sex, that's why it's not a straight rape charge. It's when the underage party willingly has sex with the other person but because they are under the age of consent it's illegal. It's to differentiate between forceful rape. Think of it like the horny 15 year old babysitter with the hots for the young good looking dad. If she seduces him and they have sex it's illegal, at least in America, but because she willingly had sex with him, and was even the instigator, it is a charge of statutory rape because she is under the age of consent. If the dad just threw her to the ground and tore her clothes off then that would be an outright rape charge as she did not consent to that. Usually anything below about 12 or 13 is also an automatic straight rape charge as well.That is what I mean by they will spend less time investigating statutory rape because by definition statutory rape is consensual but illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/01/22 8:58:33 PM #136:	Gamerguymass posted... Statutory rape is consensual sex, that's why it's not a straight rape charge. It's when the underage party willingly has sex with the other person but because they are under the age of consent it's illegal. People under the AoC can't consent hence why it's statutory rape and not "consensual sex". --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:967733646] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite><quote>Statutory rape is consensual sex, that's why it's not a straight rape charge. It's when the underage party willingly has sex with the other person but because they are under the age of consent it's illegal.</quote>People under the AoC can't consent hence why it's statutory rape and not "consensual sex".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/01/22 11:57:12 PM #137:	Ruvan22 posted... How exactly would we decide that a child doesn't need to be in school anymore? Based on the 13 year old's assessment of it being useful to him/her? Yeah why not? 13 year olds all make the best life decisions without exception. And not only that, they shouldnt be allowed to make any life decision that doesnt end up with them working any less than 12 hours a day deep underground in a coal mine or picking cotton for below minimum wage 1200 miles away from where their parents live/nearest city. Finally, taxes are too high so shut down the schools, if the kids complain their shifts are increased to 18 hours <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:967736875] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite><quote>How exactly would we decide that a child doesn't need to be in school anymore? Based on the 13 year old's assessment of it being useful to him/her?</quote>Yeah why not? 13 year olds all make the best life decisions without exception. And not only that, they shouldnt be allowed to make any life decision that doesnt end up with them working any less than 12 hours a day deep underground in a coal mine or picking cotton for below minimum wage 1200 miles away from where their parents live/nearest city. Finally, taxes are too high so shut down the schools, if the kids complain their shifts are increased to 18 hours </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/02/22 10:34:27 PM #138:	Ruvan22 posted... Is reducing the investigation of statutory rape cases a good thing? o.0 Regardless that's not what I meant by "having to 'prove' more cases of rape" - I was saying that reducing AoC means perpetrators can say "oh she/he consented!!" and elude charges. On a separate note - are you saying a student "happily banging his hot teacher" is an.. okay situation? Gamerguymass posted... Statutory rape is consensual sex, that's why it's not a straight rape charge. It's when the underage party willingly has sex with the other person but because they are under the age of consent it's illegal. It's to differentiate between forceful rape. Think of it like the horny 15 year old babysitter with the hots for the young good looking dad. If she seduces him and they have sex it's illegal, at least in America, but because she willingly had sex with him, and was even the instigator, it is a charge of statutory rape because she is under the age of consent. If the dad just threw her to the ground and tore her clothes off then that would be an outright rape charge as she did not consent to that. Usually anything below about 12 or 13 is also an automatic straight rape charge as well. That is what I mean by they will spend less time investigating statutory rape because by definition statutory rape is consensual but illegal. I know what statutory rape is, that's why I said there'd be greater difficulty proving coercion/use of authority/taking advantage of impulsivity/etc. Your example of a babysitter is just as strange as the student "happily banging his hot teacher" example you used and then ignored. In both of us these, are you saying it's appropriate for a 14/15 year old to have sex with the much older adult? That as long as the student is happy / the babysitter flirts, we should deem it appropriate? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:967757144] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite><quote>Is reducing the investigation of statutory rape cases a good thing? o.0 Regardless that's not what I meant by "having to 'prove' more cases of rape" - I was saying that reducing AoC means perpetrators can say "oh she/he consented!!" and elude charges.On a separate note - are you saying a student "happily banging his hot teacher" is an.. okay situation?</quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite><quote>Statutory rape is consensual sex, that's why it's not a straight rape charge. It's when the underage party willingly has sex with the other person but because they are under the age of consent it's illegal. It's to differentiate between forceful rape. Think of it like the horny 15 year old babysitter with the hots for the young good looking dad. If she seduces him and they have sex it's illegal, at least in America, but because she willingly had sex with him, and was even the instigator, it is a charge of statutory rape because she is under the age of consent. If the dad just threw her to the ground and tore her clothes off then that would be an outright rape charge as she did not consent to that. Usually anything below about 12 or 13 is also an automatic straight rape charge as well.That is what I mean by they will spend less time investigating statutory rape because by definition statutory rape is consensual but illegal.</quote>I know what statutory rape is, that's why I said there'd be greater difficulty proving coercion/use of authority/taking advantage of impulsivity/etc. Your example of a babysitter is just as strange as the student "happily banging his hot teacher" example you used and then ignored. In both of us these, are you saying it's appropriate for a 14/15 year old to have sex with the much older adult? That as long as the student is happy / the babysitter flirts, we should deem it appropriate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/05/22 4:46:15 AM #140:	If a teen would rather work than go to school I see nothing wrong with it as long as there are labor laws in place to protect teens from abusive work conditions. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:967804052] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>If a teen would rather work than go to school I see nothing wrong with it as long as there are labor laws in place to protect teens from abusive work conditions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/05/22 1:56:36 PM #141:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... If a teen would rather work than go to school I see nothing wrong with it as long as there are labor laws in place to protect teens from abusive work conditions. You feel a 13 year old is qualified to decide that he/she should drop out of school completely? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:967811099] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>If a teen would rather work than go to school I see nothing wrong with it as long as there are labor laws in place to protect teens from abusive work conditions.</quote>You feel a 13 year old is qualified to decide that he/she should drop out of school completely?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 09/07/22 8:40:29 AM #143:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Like.. the "lower the working age so they can work after school" is one debate.. but saying "kids should be given the choice of continuing school or stopping completely" is... just mind boggling <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:967850059] in Push to lo... [t:80149242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Like.. the "lower the working age so they can work after school" is one debate.. but saying "kids should be given the choice of continuing school or stopping completely" is... just mind boggling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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