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Yes, but what does the cat have to do with that story?

The game sells itself on realistic cat movements, then peddles in a post-apocalyptic city, which shouldnt concern said cat whatsoever

And ignore that there are metric tons of VNs, walking simulators, etc. where theres generally a reason the player character is who they are (read: not necessarily human) to establish if theyre an actual participant in the world, or simply an observer.

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Im not talking about the cat as a vehicle. Im talking about the cat as a participant.

The bait isnt in the post-apocalyptic setting itself, but in how the cat is somehow expected to participate in the revolution thats happening in the city, instead of the expected goal of find a way out, everything else is background noise.

And UGG already disproves your relatable statement. The stuff the goose does is being an asshole to us humans, but the creators went on record to say that the goose operates on its own morality and stuff like the ending is its own goal. We *see* it as being an asshole, but the goose is doing its own thing.

Even Doom 2016 handled this better by making Doomguy not give a shit about anything but kill demons, and everything else was background reading materials and lore.

D for sure, what a dumb topic

Easy deny. Lmao

The entire conversation started because there *were* complaints about the plot falling short. Im not projecting anything, Im voicing things that arent blind praise for the games visuals and nothing else.

Maybe watch the reviews in question before accusing me of projecting?

And I dont know what else you want me to cite for games that arent necessarily relatable. What are humans supposed to relate to for games like Katamari Damacy? Or Yume Nikki? Or Flower? Some games were made on acid and dont need to tell a relatable story to be enjoyed.

Ah yes, I too watch reviews so that others can tell me what I should think of games.

The conversation was never about if the plot was enjoyable or fell short. It was about whether or not a cat is an appropriate protagonist for the plot, and if the plot was a bait and switch. Your claim that the devs baited people with the narrative has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's good. Those videos also have nothing to do with this conversation

Dude are you serious lol? Yume Nikki is one of the progenitors of modern indie RPGs with themes of depression and internal struggles. Lisa, Omori, Anodyne, they're all inspired by Yume Nikki. Flower has themes of the contrast between the natural world and urban life. Haven't really played Katamari so I couldn't tell you

That's all entirely besides the point though. Stray was never promised to be a narrative free experience where you just run around aimlessly as a cat, so I'm not sure why you're even attempting to bring up games that are unrelatable

Ah yes, I too watch reviews so that others can tell me what I should think of games.

Were talking about a walking simulator here, you can easily get the same experience watching someone else play vs playing it yourself.

Youd have a point if this was something more engaging, but this isnt it.

You hopped in on post 172, which was about immersion. You segued into whether the cat was appropriate, because the idea of a cat game only doing cat-like things and not telling a relatable story was apparently impossible to you.

I didnt even mention bait, you did. Note that this game did not register on my radar two years ago, so I had no expectations aside from realistic cat movements.

The game sells itself on realistic cat movements, then peddles in a post-apocalyptic city, which shouldnt concern said cat whatsoever

The depression stuff about Yume Nikki is not the sole interpretation. Yes, it *has* relatable themes with the ending and spawned lots of followers, but 90% of the game is also completely nonsensical.

Your interpretation of Flower is a reach. You arent observing those themes through the eyes of a human, therefore it disproves your claim.

Once again, I said the stuff about the cat being part of the revolution as if it was another human/robot is the bait-and-switch. You then went off about projection.

If YNs ending is the only thing thats relatable, and also not even something that players are guaranteed to see due to how open-ended the game is, then I dont consider the game as a whole relatable. Sometimes a (dream) walking simulator is just that.

If Flower is relatable to you, why is a game about a cat doing nothing but chasing birds and hacking furballs something bizarre to you?

I mean, projection is literally what it is. You're projecting your expectations onto the game, and when they don't line up with the narrative, you claim the devs peddled stuff in. What about the devs' claims conflict with the idea of the cat playing a part in the story rather than being a passive observer?

I mean, the whole game has the potential to be relatable. Pretty much everyone dreams, and most people have had weird or unsettling dreams/nightmares before.

The thing about abstract art like Yume Nikki and games like it is that there's going to be a wide variety of interpretations of the game, but that quality alone makes it relatable in some way

I mean, the idea is only bizarre because it doesn't really seem like a niche that people want filled. There's plenty of games where you play as a cat, but none of them are really centered around living a cats normal day to day life in our reality.

That's the core of why there's really nothing weird or wrong with the cat in Stray participating in the plot. It was never marketed specifically as being a true to our reality cat

Do you think its okay if Strays cat suddenly starts talking, walking on hind legs, or shooting guns?

Some level of realism is expected. Calling it projection is like excusing bad writing.

I mean, if that was the game the devs wanted to make, then sure? Seems like you're taking this to some weird exaggerated conclusion that's beyond the scope of this discussion though.

You can expect some realism, but we're also talking about a post apocalyptic world in a city full of robots. I think the devs are allowed to take some liberties at that point with what we can find believable

How many video games characters are being retconned to be LGBTQ?