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I thought he was stuck in his Banner form by the device and was presmably helpless.

And that until he got ahold of Jens blood he was unable to return to Smug Hulk form.

Basically Infinity Stone damage.

divot1338 posted...

I thought he was stuck in his Banner form by the device and was presmably helpless.

And that until he got ahold of Jens blood he was unable to return to Smug Hulk form.

Basically Infinity Stone damage.

I'll have to go rewatch the scene again later, but I think he said he made the device to keep him in human form so that he could heal his arm. Like, the only reason he had it was to heal... in human form, when I thought Hulk healed immensely faster.

I don't know, I can pass that off as Bruce healing better from damage the Hulk takes the same way Hulk heals damage Bruce takes.

It was a magic glove with magic stones that did it to him, don't question it too much.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I'll have to go rewatch the scene again later, but I think he said he made the device to keep him in human form so that he could heal his arm. Like, the only reason he had it was to heal... in human form, when I thought Hulk healed immensely faster.

The problem with that is humans can be knocked out and killed.

cjsdowg posted...

I posted this before and then deleted it. Because of a people who are just not good dude was ragging on the show and I didn't want to be grouped into them. However I it should be said.

https://twitter.com/IMDb/status/1560367868352507905

This was so horrible. I don't want to down play catcalling or any shit like that. But Bruce was grew up in a abusive household, he was hunted by his girlfriends father, he was tested one, captured, spent years of of his life on a different world, seemingly has mental illness and tried to the kill himself. To down play his issues is pretty gross. And I see it lot with guys.

I find it Bruce being the mature one here and not playing oppression Olympics. The whole point Bruce was trying to get at with that scene was that he wanted to make sure she could control her anger. This is new territory for the both of them and no doubt Bruce had a rougher life than she did but none of them no why she could control the "Hulk" better. Though we do know, from many comic book readers, that it's because she has less baggage to carry than Bruce and the only thing she was missing was self confidence, which is what the She-Hulk brings out.

As I understand the inhibitor was intended to keep him in human form so he could just... be a dude. fuckin fit through doorways, ride in people's cars, etc. gradually healing his arm (still busted at that point) seemed to be an unintended side effect. it's possible that the nature of the damage (the stones did radiate a similar type of gamma radiation, which was why Hulk had to be the one to use them) might be being reversed by the device, who's nature is to inhibit the effects of gamma radiation.

He didn't use her blood to transform again, he transformed all on his own and tracked her down to bring back to his lab.

"Smart Hulk" is typically holding back, a LOT, in displays of strength.

Boulder toss? He's casually tossing, she beats it with a full body twirl that adds momentum, then he fuckin launches one out of the atmosphere.

Ground pound? he gives it a good punch, she fuckin twirls and leaps and brings all her mass down onto the same cliffside that is already been hulk punched.

Balance? Ok yeah she probably has him beat there, her form being more lithe and and shit.

As far as the jeep? Look at how far back the seat is when Jen adjusts it for herself. That was Hulk sized seating, not Banner sized seating. If it was intended to be driven in Hulk form then it would have had to have been heavily reinforced to survive his weight, and probably has a much stronger engine to be able to HAUL his weight.

@kogasteelfang because I forgot to quote your post and this is faster.

DarthAragorn posted...

I don't know, I can pass that off as Bruce healing better from damage the Hulk takes the same way Hulk heals damage Bruce takes.

It was a magic glove with magic stones that did it to him, don't question it too much.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/2/AAOK_sAADlLE.jpg
Hulk does have the super healing. That's one of his main abilities outside sheer strength and durability. If they had bothered to explain it at all I wouldn't have minded. "I absorbed too much radiation from the stones and wasn't healing. I'm in human form so proper tests and treatments can be done, and it's working." Adding just one sentence to place context fixes all the issues. But as it is, it just says Banner can out heal the Hulk for no reason.

My impression was that the injury messed with his ability to be Smart Hulk, so he just repressed the transformation entirely until it healed.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Hulk does have the super healing.

Back in the 70s comics when Banner was in control of the Hulk, Banner-Hulk broke his leg and had to limp around on a cane. It stayed that way for a few issues to show that he was weaker than the savage Hulk. Eventually he lost control, reverted to Savage Hulk, and his leg healed immediately.

When MCU Banner-Hulk was wounded, I had assumed the writers had been influenced by these issues. I expect that his arm would heal completely when he reverted to his savage Hulk version to show that "he's back."

I think people are forgetting that Smart Hulk is much weaker than regular Hulk. He's a compromise between Banner and Hulk.

I think the point here is that if it was regular Hulk, it would have healed immediately. But as we saw at the end of Endgame, it was still injured during the Cap send off at the end.

I secretly hope regular Hulk shows up even though it's kind of fucked up lol.

Cobra1010 posted...

I am surprised how she-hulk isnt like those extreme female body builders.

She keeps her proportions whilst bruce has massive thick limbs, massive feet and hands.

She should be looking like this
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/4/AAPA_pAADk2y.jpg

But im not complaining.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/0/AAPiadAADlTU.jpg

I didnt watch any trailers or previews for this. When I was watching the episode, I kept getting distracted by how much Tatiana with eyeliner on looks like a 'in her late 30s' version of a girl I dated a few years ago

Like the scene where she was telling Bruce she's great at controlling her anger I just could not get past the resemblance

I dont watch Marvel stuff but watched this just because my friends were there and they wanted to watch so I did too. It was one of the worst first episodes to anything ever.

My problems
-Where did the UFO go after causing the car to crash? No explanation at all. It just caused a crash and then poof its gone.
-Why did those women at the bar bring extra clothing and heels for she-hulk? Who goes to the bar with extra clothing that they would be totally cool just giving to a complete stranger?
-The 4th wall breaking is so forced and does not add anything.
-Apparently this chick can control when she hulks out, Hulk sees this and instead of freaking out and being impressed or shocked hes just like Huh, cool. You would think he would emote at all but nope.
-Hulk goes from not letting her leave because he wants to train her, to bring like Okay you can leave I respect your opinion in like 2 seconds. The pacing is blistering.
-This lead is so antagonistic. Why is she so insulting to the hulk? Also, I cant stand character that just makes wise cracks all the time. Shes supposed to be going through a super troubling time but its like its just another day at the park for her.
-Who the fuck is the random woman that just Kool-Aid Mans through the courthouse wall? No mention of who she is at all. I thought it was one of those women from the bar come to get her heels back.
-Hulk says hulks cant get drunk, meanwhile she acts drunk and Hulk for some reason was like wtf your not drunk? Like bro, you literally explained that she cant get drunk, how are you fooled.
-Ending scene was cringe.
-Belching scenes.
-CGI on She-Hulk is atrocious.

I wasnt gonna watch the show anyway but man, it was rough. Maybe I am ovethinking these things but thats just what was going through my head when I was watching

SF_Okami posted...

I dont watch Marvel stuff but watched this just because my friends were there and they wanted to watch so I did too. It was one of the worst first episodes to anything ever.

My problems
-Where did the UFO go after causing the car to crash? No explanation at all. It just caused a crash and then poof its gone.
-Why did those women at the bar bring extra clothing and heels for she-hulk? Who goes to the bar with extra clothing that they would be totally cool just giving to a complete stranger?
-The 4th wall breaking is so forced and does not add anything.
-Apparently this chick can control when she hulks out, Hulk sees this and instead of freaking out and being impressed or shocked hes just like Huh, cool. You would think he would emote at all but nope.
-Hulk goes from not letting her leave because he wants to train her, to bring like Okay you can leave I respect your opinion in like 2 seconds. The pacing is blistering.
-This lead is so antagonistic. Why is she so insulting to the hulk? Also, I cant stand character that just makes wise cracks all the time. Shes supposed to be going through a super troubling time but its like its just another day at the park for her.
-Who the fuck is the random woman that just Kool-Aid Mans through the courthouse wall? No mention of who she is at all. I thought it was one of those women from the bar come to get her heels back.
-Hulk says hulks cant get drunk, meanwhile she acts drunk and Hulk for some reason was like wtf your not drunk? Like bro, you literally explained that she cant get drunk, how are you fooled.
-Ending scene was cringe and fake edgy.
-Belching scenes.
-CGI on She-Hulk is atrocious.

I want gonna watch the show anyway but man, it was rough.

Oh and She-Hulk look

topic is already marked for spoilers so i'm not gonna bother marking them. I'll only address actual narrative confusion, preferences are preferences.

The ship. It is brought up again, Sakaraan courier. Banner says it's something he'll have to follow up on, ie: "we'll probably see something come of this later". The style of ship is recognizable to those who saw Thor: Ragnarok.

girls at the bar... it is my understanding that it is not all that out of the ordinary for girls hitting up the bars/clubs to bring both heels and flats, so I can imagine at least one of them having a second pair of shoes. other than that looked like just a jacket? They straight up thought she'd been abused or raped or some shit, "here wear my jacket" doesn't seem THAT major.

Banner's mild response to Jen's level of control and lack of an alter-ego can easily be atributed to him simply being a VERY reserved person all around

the "pacing" here is what we call time dilation. We know there has been at the very least enough time for her to help him rebuild the bar, we just aren't experiencing that time because it'd be boring to sit there and just watch them silently stew and ponder and carry logs.

random woman is... a bad? her name's Titania. I don't read the comics so i don't know much about her, but even if I did it wouldn't mean much since they could go an entirely different route. I'm sure she'll be a recurring character and we'll learn more somewhere in the next 4-5 hours of this show.

The drunk thing I think is just a genuinely clumsy moment of writing. I understand it as alcohol still impacts the brain the same way, but rapid metabolization all but nullifies the impact on liver and stomach. Might even only be in hulk form. writers just did a dumb and at one point used "drunk" to refer to getting sick off booze and at another point used drunk to refer to the altered mind-state.

Not trying to change your mind, just throwing in my two cents on points of confusion.

Gremlynn posted...

Banner's mild response to Jen's level of control and lack of an alter-ego can easily be atributed to him simply being a VERY reserved person all around

Was Banner's response actually mild?
I got the sense that Banner was damn annoyed that Jen solved being a Hulk in about a week, when it took Banner himself fifteen years and a billion-dollar Stark lab to solve it.

He seemed to be quietly seething about that. He didn't need to just casually rip apart his binder that he he was previously so proud of gathering; that right there was some serious passive aggressive rage.

See, he learned to control his temper to avoid hulking out, so he gets really passive aggressive at her.

31Veteran posted...

See, he learned to control his temper to avoid hulking out, so he gets really passive aggressive at her.

I think Banner got his shit together by being "Smart Hulk" all the time. Default Banner only exists by the tech hack that made She-Hulk happen.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Was Banner's response actually mild?
I got the sense that Banner was damn annoyed that Jen solved being a Hulk in about a week, when it took Banner himself fifteen years and a billion-dollar Stark lab to solve it.

Mild in relation to how he feels inside i mean.

Gremlynn posted...

Mild in relation to how he feels inside i mean.

Banner must have some real demons in his closet for an alter ego to spring forth where Jen doesn't. Perhaps if Bruce didn't have those issues, his process would have been just as fluid as hers was.

I liked it quite a bit. Probably the only 1st episode of an MCU D+ show that I'm actually considering watching a second time.

I'm not up on the comics, but 4th-wall humor is apparently on-brand for the character, so that wasn't so jarring. And tbh, at this point in the MCU I appreciate that the show speed-runs through her origin story to give us more time to focus on her training / relationship with Bruce. And the MCU writers once again proved they have a finger on the fandom pulse with the 'Captain America fu...' bit, which got a hearty chuckle out of me.

That.

Was damn good!

https://youtu.be/QwM1PqTAiLM

It's weird to me that people miss the point so hard. At no point did she say she had it harder than Bruce, she said she was better able to manage her anger because she had to do it more than he did.

Considering his entire thing for over a decade was turning into a giant monster whenever he got mad, I'd say she was right.

she hulk writers/directors catching heat for hulk when russos never did is unfair