Current Events > So... The Boys season 3 got kinda sloppy didn't it. *Series Spoilers*

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Just binged the whole season this past week.

Season 1, I was really surprised by how much I liked it. Season 2, also great, made me think Amazon was killing it with their super shows, this the tick invincible...

But then season 3... dropped the ball a bit. It's weird, it simultaneously feels like they're so obviously dragging it out, but also moving too quickly for just a meager 8 episodes. This and Invincible are the kind of shows where 8 episodes are just not nearly enough to flesh out and develop everything. There were so many plot lines that they didn't get into. They didn't do anything with Nueman's whole reveal of being a head popper. The orphanage of supers didn't amount to anything. They never showed Ryan and Mallory again after Butcher acts dickish towards him until Homelander finds him at the end of the season and Ryan (from loneliness I assume) is fine with going back with Homelander.

The Black Noir reveal was very anticlimactic. I don't know why they built him up so much if his whole story was just that he was an old member of a previous superhero team. Really that's it? The Boys Diabolical had a better air of mystery than that.

Given Black Noir is one of the most important parts of the comic-ending, I doubt he's staying dead. Though the comic ending was really dumb and I hope they go elsewhere with it.

I think they did lean a bit too much into the whole season being about Homelander's complete mental collapse, and the relationship between Butcher and Hughie. Those are the main points for sure, but it did leave some other stuff underdeveloped.

My guess is they had a real ending in mind (probably season 4 or maybe 5) and much of this season was basically just to get everything into position to start it

One thing I read and really liked and agree with is that Homelander looks as if he cares about Ryan but he only cares about Ryan because he's his son, not about Ryan as a person if that makes sense.

The last episode with making Homelander seem sympathetic like he's trying to protect Ryan was hard to believe or take seriously (especially since, oh I don't know, he was the one who brought him there in the first place). And I mean besides the fact that Homelander is supposed to have super speed isn't he, he got Butcher out of an exploding building in a split second, how did this same guy have any trouble during the awesome Herogasm fight or even the end fight scene?

saspa posted...

second, how did this same guy have any trouble during the awesome Herogasm fight or even the end fight scene?

I had the exact opposite idea. The idea I got from the first two seasons was Homelander just had OP powers and as a result didn't really need to know how to fight or anything like that. Instead he was just a bully that would crumble the second someone actually fought back - hence why he has any reason to actually care about The Boys and why he was terrified of Soldier Boy for like 1/2 the season.

But then he's just like, beating everyone without a ton of trouble in the last episodes and I don't know if he should've been.

Sure I did enjoy Maeve bruising Homelander a bit and it felt somewhat cathartic, but this just means that you get what, 10 supes in a room with Homelander and they could probably take him out? A couple speedsters, a couple strongmen, all with durability, they could withstand Homelander's laser attacks and just whale on him until he's down since he's, as Soldier boy would put it, something of a sissy.

I liked jensen ackles but couldn't understand what they intended with soldier boy. Was he a fraud who never saw any action, because he clearly had tactical know-how so what "the legend" said doesn't seem relevant.

And how often are they gonna do the "old previous racist superhero in vought's history" thing because they already had lady liberty who soldier boy claims he hooked up with.

Wait... could stormfront have been the mother? Could she be Homelander's mother if Soldier Boy's the father? Jesus. And even if not, since she was clearly alive all this time she must have had a hand in lab creating during the past 50 years, be it with the "Payback" team or even Homelander's very creation, so either way their relationship is super icky.

I did find it hilarious that they showed us that they kept her alive in the beginning of the season only to kill her off instantly instead of just being dead in the season 2 finale but them's the breaks I guess

It's the best season imo. Season 2 was the dropoff, but this one redeemed it. Homelander is more evil than ever (the suicidal girl, poor Timothy, Starlight's Hispanic friend, A Train fat shaming, Black Noir), Soldier Boy is a much more awesome villain than Stormfront because you're never sure if he's the greater or lesser evil. I love how this season mocked BOTH extremes of the American political spectrum; both the right wing Trumper nutjobs and the phony-woke left wing snowflake hypocrites who would sell out their own beliefs for a buck. I love how A-Train tried to milk his own black identity for money. The sociopolitical satire and commentary is as sharp as South Park here. A complete indictment of modern America.

I do feel like this season does have its flaws and the last episode there are so irredeemable characters now, like I forget the step fathers name but he needs to die in some way next season and Ryan is a 50/50 shot because now he is sorta on the path to being ruined with that smile at the end.

And yeah the whole Black Noir thing kinda sucked in the end despite knowing the comic ending he was basically just some guy.

Proto_Spark posted...

Given Black Noir is one of the most important parts of the comic-ending, I doubt he's staying dead. Though the comic ending was really dumb and I hope they go elsewhere with it.

I think they did lean a bit too much into the whole season being about Homelander's complete mental collapse, and the relationship between Butcher and Hughie. Those are the main points for sure, but it did leave some other stuff underdeveloped.

My guess is they had a real ending in mind (probably season 4 or maybe 5) and much of this season was basically just to get everything into position to start it

I mean clearly they're going to have Mallory get a team to synthesize an anti compound V cure using Soldier Boy's body radiation right?

And then just apply it to all supes, destroy any remaining compound v, and eliminate that part of vought forever

It's frustrating seeing Ryan turn into another psycho... but clearly Ryan and Homelander are gonna have another falling out and it'll just be like season 2 all over again. Homelander will get frustrated with Ryan for whatever reason, get mad and Ryan will be afraid, that's just who Homelander is.

MM's ex dating that white psycho who likes Homelander makes no sense... like what, she can't see that he's clearly a psycho? What would she have seen in him. Seemed incredibly arbitrary just to put MM's daughter in that kinda position. But the show doesn't seem to mind arbitrary like having that random yellow shirt throw a bottle at Ryan so he can get laser blaster by Homelander lol, just a ridiculously contrived scenario. Like superheroes don't have reaction times and could see a dude chucking a bottle a mile away. Also the dude was incredibly far away he would have had to lob the bottle and its trajectory would be super obvious to stop. But whatevs.

saspa posted...

MM's ex dating that white psycho who likes Homelander makes no sense... like what, she can't see that he's clearly a psycho?

I mean, he isn't clearly a psycho, because its kind of just like the people who support general "anti-SJW" stuff - yeah they're assholes and shit people, but they "say it like it is" and stuff like that. If anything I think its part of how The Boys' satire can be a little too on the nose. And its also an avenue for the show to explain why MM doesn't like the supes and whatnot.

saspa posted...

I did find it hilarious that they showed us that they kept her alive in the beginning of the season only to kill her off instantly instead of just being dead in the season 2 finale but them's the breaks I guess

I actually really liked that. Showing that her being alive was one of the few things keeping Homelander from losing his **** and going full-nazi, and then her killing herself because she wants him to go over the edge like that really helped his whole downfall the whole season.

Proto_Spark posted...

I mean, he isn't clearly a psycho, because its kind of just like the people who support general "anti-SJW" stuff - yeah they're assholes and shit people, but they "say it like it is" and stuff like that. If anything I think its part of how The Boys' satire can be a little too on the nose. And its also an avenue for the show to explain why MM doesn't like the supes and whatnot.

I actually really liked that. Showing that her being alive was one of the few things keeping Homelander from losing his **** and going full-nazi, and then her killing herself because she wants him to go over the edge like that really helped his whole downfall the whole season.

Wait why would her being alive keep homelander from going full-nazi instead of increasing it since that's literally what she was advocating and what her whole deal is?

I thought she killer herself because she was sad that Homelander didn't embrace her nazi master race nonsense and didn't want to live anymore in a world that didn't have racial purity.

But agreed on the whole being on the nose thing, that's pretty classic The Boys behavior

saspa posted...

Wait why would her being alive keep homelander from going full-nazi instead of increasing it since that's literally what she was advocating and what her whole deal is?

I thought she killer herself because she was sad that Homelander didn't embrace her nazi master race nonsense and didn't want to live anymore in a world that didn't have racial purity.

I thought Homelander was using her relationship just as an excuse to stay sane, because he kinda knows he shouldn't go full nazi, but his whole life is kind of falling apart here, and because Stormfront is basically a vegetable at that point, she can't advocate and push him over the edge more. But instead of being able to push Homelander over the edge, he's using her to keep him from doing so, which is why she killed herself.

I thought Homelander was basically using her as a Teddy Bear and Storefront was like "lol no, you go be a damn nazi"

I might be in the minority but I think that whole show is mediocre. The acting is great, though.

My take on Homelander is he's consistently been in this weird realm of being effectively age 9 or so emotionally. Yeah, there's some of the creepy sexual shit, but overall he's basically an emotional child who has temper tantrums, views people as his toys, and breaks them just like a child would when he's having a tantrum. I mean, it's obvious who he's supposed to be a parody of in a lot of ways, but overall it's just giving me the impression of being written as an overgrown child.

Season 3 was spinning its wheels without nearly enough changes to the status quo. Starlight makes an anti-Vought social media post where she insults Homelander, and shes walking around Vought Tower talking to Homelander the next day. She should have had to go into hiding after that or something more meaningful.

radical_rhino posted...

Season 3 was spinning its wheels without nearly enough changes to the status quo. Starlight makes an anti-Vought social media post where she insults Homelander, and shes walking around Vought Tower talking to Homelander the next day. She should have had to go into hiding after that or something more meaningful.

Yeah that was so hilariously sloppy on vought's part that it felt like the showrunners gave no shits anymore. Maeve was abducted for speaking out of turn to homelander, they wouldn't have done the same to starlight when she was in the building and then just had a press release that she was insane and in rehab? It doesn't matter if people don't believe it, they would spin it that way anyhow.

The Black noire thing was a letdown. All that buildup and then.. He dies?

Also, am I the only one who doesnt care about the Gary and Mary Sue Frenchie and Kumiko? They both have plot armor at this point and just get in the way of the more interesting stuff.

I didn't notice any slopiness in season 3 really, a bit rushed I guess, but I'm sure everything that wasn't addressed will get to in later seasons.

_____Cait posted...

The Black noire thing was a letdown. All that buildup and then.. He dies?

Also, am I the only one who doesnt care about the Gary and Mary Sue Frenchie and Kumiko? They both have plot armor at this point and just get in the way of the more interesting stuff.

Kimiko took down a mob guy when she was powerless and literally bleeding from all organs...

So turns out they have 5 seasons planned for this show so... yeah I think 5 seasons is a good number to end satisfactorily without stretching it out. I was disappointed by the finale and some other stuff this season but it was still entertaining stuff.

I think what bothered me about the finale was that it was little more than a disney+/mcu shows that they were parodying in the first place. It became the thing it was parodying and the parallels to real world political parties was just ridiculous. I can't get over just a random dude in a yellow starlight shirt being at a homelander rally and chucking a bottle at homelander/ryan lol, it's so ridiculously set up.

https://youtu.be/li2WDMgHxD0

Ok has anyone been seeing these videos on youtube? Vought has released a ton of them and they're all amazing and you should watch them posthaste

https://youtu.be/bvh2nlqpTYw

This world building needs more praise dammit

https://twitter.com/VoughtIntl/status/1560312217995722757?t=aU8J1EeY1iWupltoHFLu6w&s=19

saspa posted...

https://youtu.be/li2WDMgHxD0

Ok has anyone been seeing these videos on youtube? Vought has released a ton of them and they're all amazing and you should watch them posthaste

awesome lol

ngl, i was a bit disappointed with season 3's finale. specially with the whole Black Noir thing.

but they did plant some seeds for season 4 that had me like "okay, lets see where this goes!"...

overall, i still enjoyed the season as a whole.

I know a lot of people are bothered by Frenchie and mon Coors and say they're sick of Frenchie but... while I wasn't really a fan of the whole russian mafia exlover subplot of his, I really like Frenchie. I just do

Theyre replacing Noire with.....Noire. Another Noire but played by the same actor.....

Oh are they?

Black Noir is one of my favorite jokes, I love the name and the Batmon parodying.

I didn't read anything TC wrote or anyone else wrote, but I agree with the topic title.

Black Noir 2.0

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

ngl, i was a bit disappointed with season 3's finale. specially with the whole Black Noir thing.

but they did plant some seeds for season 4 that had me like "okay, lets see where this goes!"...

overall, i still enjoyed the season as a whole.

Everyone is comparing the black noir thing to subverting expectations rian johnson

First half of season 3 was so good. 2nd half was ok