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Black to play.

kiss the other player to fluster her

3A to take the corner

Damn_Underscore posted...

kiss the other player to fluster her

White blushes. It's still your turn.

I see you favor the White Lotus gambit.

MICHALECOLE posted...

3A to take the corner

3A is answered with 4A. 1A is not a favorable ko, and is too slow. 1B is too slow to capture and results in white living.

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Problem remains the same as it was in post 1

Is this othello or a different game?

Yeah, I don't know much about Go, but I know its not 3a, if there's one thing I remember about how go works, is that when you have two holes in a formation, it makes it immune to capture.

I'll guess E6 to start trying to capture the upper territories and white's stones in that area. Or maybe C11 for a similar reason.

I thought we were playing othello

Flip the table and start screaming in russian.

PMarth2002 posted...

Yeah, I don't know much about Go, but I know its not 3a, if there's one thing I remember about how go works, is that when you have two holes in a formation, it makes it immune to capture.

I'll guess E6 to start trying to capture the upper territories and white's stones in that area. Or maybe C11 for a similar reason.

E6 and C11 both cede a considerable amount of board. Any tanuki makes the three stones at A-C 6 dead, and gives white the entirety of the left side of the board shown.

Well if it was Gomoku, D2 would lead to a win. I don't know the rules of Go.

warlock7735 posted...

E6 and C11 both cede a considerable amount of board. Any tanuki makes the three stones at A-C 6 dead, and gives white the entirety of the left side of the board shown.

Ah. Okay, like I said, I don't know much about how to play go. Would C7 or B8 be good moves then?

PMarth2002 posted...

Ah. Okay, like I said, I don't know much about how to play go. Would C7 or B8 be good moves then?

C7 is a pretty bad move all around. It doesn't do much aside from give white incentive to fix their structure. B8 is a clever move, and in some situations would do great, but there's just enough strength around white for that to be basically struggling to no avail, white is still able to press and take the side.

warlock7735 posted...

C7 is a pretty bad move all around. It doesn't do much aside from give white incentive to fix their structure. B8 is a clever move, and in some situations would do great, but there's just enough strength around white for that to be basically struggling to no avail, white is still able to press and take the side.

What happens if you take a-4?

PMarth2002 posted...

What happens if you take a-4?

A4 is in fact the winning move. Black A4, White A3, black B1, white tries to attack at B7 (although C7 would be just as good/bad), and then A1 means that even if white tries to attack A-C6, black is able to capture with B4 and win the whole shape.
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I have the feeling this move doesn't help in the long run, but I want to say c18?

PMarth2002 posted...

I have the feeling this move doesn't help in the long run, but I want to say c18?

C18 is answered by white A17. white is now connected and black has no chance to kill or to live. Try again?

Idk. A19?

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Same response wins for white as post 19.

a18? I think that puts the lone white stone in danger and allows black to capture a stone in one move if they put a stone at a17 by putting one at a16?

Oh no, suddenly mafia.

A17 then? If they like to play there, I want to see what they do if they cant.

I'm on my phone so no pictures at this moment.

PMarth2002 posted...

a18? I think that puts the lone white stone in danger and allows black to capture a stone in one move if they put a stone at a17 by putting one at a16?

White responds b19. Continue the line.

uwnim posted...

Oh no, suddenly mafia.

A17 then? If they like to play there, I want to see what they do if they cant.

White responds E18. Black is dead, can you see why?

warlock7735 posted...

I'm on my phone so no pictures at this moment.

White responds b19. Continue the line.

White responds E18. Black is dead, can you see why?

warlock7735 posted...

I'm on my phone so no pictures at this moment.

White responds b19. Continue the line.

White responds E18. Black is dead, can you see why?

I can not. I dont know anywhere near enough about go to know how that eventually kills black.

warlock7735 posted...

White responds b19. Continue the line.

a19 next? iirc, you can't place a stone that would result in your own capture?

uwnim posted...

I can not. I dont know anywhere near enough about go to know how that eventually kills black.

In go, an "eye" is defined as a shape that has exactly one or two spaces that are fully encircled. A shape that contains two or more eyes is unconditionally alive. The shape black creates on the left in your line can unconditionally be reduced to 1 eye, and e18 prevents black from having enough space to escape or to create another eye.

PMarth2002 posted...

a19 next? iirc, you can't place a stone that would result in your own capture?

If white played a17 he'd capture your two in the corner though.

I haven't played go in a very long time, I'm just bored and felt like bedevilling ce with basic go problems.

warlock7735 posted...

If white played a17 he'd capture your two in the corner though.

Ah. Good point. I don't see how a17 helps, is c18 still a dead-end with some more stones in the corner?

I haven't played go in a very long time, I'm just bored and felt like bedevilling ce with basic go problems.

My entire experience with go is watching Hikaru no Go like 15 years ago.

PMarth2002 posted...

Ah. Good point. I don't see how a17 helps, is c18 still a dead-end with some more stones in the corner?

Sadly yes. Same outcome as uwnim

warlock7735 posted...

Sadly yes. Same outcome as uwnim

thought so. this one feels like a long shot. Does e19 help at all? if not, I give up.

PMarth2002 posted...

thought so. this one feels like a long shot. Does e19 help at all? if not, I give up.

Oof, really close. E19 would be your next move, this one has to be e18. There's two steps to this problem. A18 is the first point because it prevents white from escaping, and threatening to create two eyes with a followup of b19. However, after a18, b19 and e18 are "miai" which basically means either space is good

warlock7735 posted...

Oof, really close. E19 would be your next move, this one has to be e18. There's two steps to this problem. A18 is the first point because it prevents white from escaping, and threatening to create two eyes with a followup of b19. However, after a18, b19 and e18 are "miai" which basically means either space is good

ah, so white tried to preempt black from forming two eyes first by doing b19. black needs to do e18 before e19 first because it strengthens the formation in that area, right?

I can see why mastery of this game requires so much time spent on it, its insanely complex.

PMarth2002 posted...

ah, so white tried to preempt black from forming two eyes first by doing b19. black needs to do e18 before e19 first because it strengthens the formation in that area, right?

I can see why mastery of this game requires so much time spent on it, its insanely complex.

Yeah, basically e18 means there's no way to prevent black from making an eye on the right unless white gets 2 moves in a row. Obviously that can't happen so black stays alive, but white gets the option to use some forcing moves until the situation is resolved

Black to connect and make white extremely sad. 5 black moves to fully resolve the line, find the first and we'll keep going.
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Any takers?

one more in case anyone has any interest in trying.