Board 8 > Been replaying the original Kingdom Hearts

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It's been forever. I've played the second one also forever ago. I wanted to play through the other games, so that includes a replay of the first two to try to make more sense of the story.

Speaking of that, the story is a lot more of a mess than I remembered, but the absurdity of this crossover has its charm of course. Sora bothers me less than I thought he would, Riku is a generic lame jerk for most part.

Why is it Squall doesn't want to be called Squall again. The game might have told me at some point, but it's still weird.

Traverse Town is good.

Wonderland is alright.

Deep Jungle is very annoying, you have to backtrack over and over and over, it's very repetitive. Also I lost to Clayton because he glitched inside the bushes where I couldn't hit him but he could shoot me just to top the worst level off.

Coliseum is just battling, which hasn't aged perfectly but is workable. Mostly the camera being wonky by today's standards, but that's fair.

Agrabah is good, the cave is a cool setting.

Monstro appearing is the most random s*** and that says a lot. Decent world.

I remembered Atlantica as the worst place, but it's not, it's alright for most part, I don't mind the controls and Under the Sea that plays in the background is a gem. Is it also in the second game and that's the terrible world I'm thinking of?

That's how far I am. Began not many days ago, so expecting to finish in the next couple of days. Then take a short break before starting the next one. I looked at the trophy list before beginning and that's not happening at all.

The first game probably has the least absurd story elements tbh, unless if you're just counting the absurdity of the crossovers in general.

Squall doesn't want to be called Squall because he disappointed everyone.

Atlantica was just a song and dance minigame level in KH2 so it's not fully playable.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Why is it Squall doesn't want to be called Squall again. The game might have told me at some point, but it's still weird.

he abandoned his name to signify his failure to save his home world, he lost his world and then he lost his name

also best world overall is Hollow Bastion, best Disney world is Agrabah

I think as a kid I might just have not cared much about if the story made any sense.

Oh right, well, good thing Yuffie calls him Squall constantly.

BlackDra90n posted...

Atlantica was just a song and dance minigame level in KH2 so it's not fully playable.

Then I'm just not as bothered by it as I remember to have been, that's great.

KH1 Hollow Bastion is still one of the best worlds in the series.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Mostly the camera being wonky by today's standards, but that's fair.

Are you not playing the HD version?

I typically prefer the Disney stuff over the KH original stuff but Hollow Bastion is the exception. Best world.

KamikazePotato posted...

Are you not playing the HD version?

I am. I assume that means it was originally worse. I find it wonky when battling, it's fine otherwise.

Crappy worlds:
Deep Jungle
100 Acre Wood
Neverland

Worlds which overstayed their welcome:
Wonderland
Coliseum
Monstro

Genuinely good but pales to Hollow Bastion:
Agrabah
Atlantica
Halloween Town
Twilight Town

Hollow Bastion:
Hollow Bastion

The original game had L1 and R1 rotate the camera around Sora IIRC. Not sure if that's still the case in the HD version.

Vote went to Agrabah though, since watching someone else play KH1 back in college, that was where I went "this looks awesome, I wanna play it."

skullbone posted...

The original game had L1 and R1 rotate the camera around Sora IIRC. Not sure if that's still the case in the HD version.

Nah now it's the right stick

Traverse Town and Hollow Bastion are two of my favorite RPG locations ever, impossible to pick between them.

Finished Atlantica, Ursula isn't that great a boss fight.

yeah I hate that boss fight, it really highlights the flaws with the game's underwater combat

Yeah, locking onto her makes it harder to dodge some of her moves. I lost once, then equipped some stuff with thunder protection and won.

Judging by the poll, some good stuff to come!

Hollow Bastion just has it all.

I liked Halloween Town when I played. I quit sometime in Hollow Bastion because the game was just frustrating me with the Maleficient and Riku boss fights.

yeah those parts can be brutal, especially on your first time through

Halloween Town done.

From an atmosphere point of view it might be the best, I also enjoy it when they get the heartless point to fit in with the stories, which is what Wonderland has going on for it too. Climbing is not very fun with how autotargeting works though and Oogie Boogie, while getting points for being unique, isn't that great as boss, it's a bit repetitive and you team can't dodge anything there, they're for all purposes useless.

Voted Olympus with the caveat that I'm judging the combat for its time.

Honestly the things I hate about KH3 is due to it being great in KH1. I really loved the idea of Sora being self inserted into disney stories. It was fun to see how that changed things.

Then in KH3 they were like. Uh, this is a random ass cave that is near where frozen takes place.

It was immensely disappointing

As a kid I quit on the Ursula boss fight and put the game down for several months. Pissed me off.

Game was still great to me, just got frustrated by that fight and the camera.

Neverland but it's actually just Hook's ship lol. Riku is so generically lame.

How much do you use the temporary party members?

I haven't replayed KH1 in a long time.

I've replayed KH2 not too long ago. The limited reaction command run I did was pretty rough at times though. [In this run, reaction commands can only be used when absolutely necessary. If a hit from a boss is survivable without using the reaction command, then the reaction command can not be used. It's akin to taking an unblockable hit in a standard RPG, and you just have to deal with the damage dealt.]

For instance, the first boss in KH2, Twilight Thorn, can be defeated without reaction commands. The battle is difficult, since all attacks are being avoided manually, along with far more limited opportunities to land hits on it in the beginning. [Plus Roxas suffers damage right from the beginning, since the opening reaction command hits are survivable on Proud Mode.]

Hollow Bastion is so far above all other worlds it's not even remotely debatable.

Hollow Bastion is so far above all other worlds it's not even remotely debatable.

Pretty much, which is a shame since I do love the Disney-inspired worlds as a concept. I replayed the game a few years ago, and it stood out to me how the level design is straight up terrible most of the time. I enjoyed Agrabah and Halloween Town, but that's about it.

yeah hollow bastion is half of why the first kh game is so beloved (with traverse town being another third)

I use the extra characters just to take their items.

BlackDra90n posted...

I use the extra characters just to take their items.

Oh. Yeah that sounds like something I should have done.

"Neverland" beaten. Dark Sora is pretty fun, even if it's annoying him just walking is enough to doge attacks when locked on. Captain Hook is alright too. It's a good world, though a bit short and low on content.

I've just been moving straight ahead constantly, but I'm considering doing a little bit of sidetracking before Hollow Bastion, partly because IIRC it can be a bit tougher than most worlds.

Perhaps I'll just do some of Cups and maybe the 100 Acre Woods.

100% every game imo

Except CoM even I'm not that crazy

Yeah I tend to do sidequests like pooh and the coliseums as they come up.

I beat the first two Cups before losing to flying Cloud in the third one. Deciding to take a break from battling by doing the 100 Acre Wood stuff. Then I'll come back and try again.

As much as I usually like to 100% stuff, I think that's all I'm going to do before moving on to the rest of the game.

Doing the Coliseum Cups is a lot of fun. I'd recommend doing them all.

I did back on PS2! I just remember grinding for it and I don't think I care to do that, as cool as Sephiroth is. But maybe I just wasn't that great as a kid and needed to grind.

100 Acre Wood beaten. The mini-games are mostly low effort and bad but it's a very enjoyable world. Atmosphere wise it's among the best, of course, you're basically just playing Christopher in the universe, it has nothing to do with the Kingdom Hearts setting. Anyways, this Winnie the Pooh as a franchise is a personal favorite of mine and I'm glad I didn't decide to skip this.

I wouldn't worry about the superbosses. Just do all the tournaments.

Oh, I probably mix them together then.

I beat Cloud on my second attempt by just dodging his flying attacks enough for him to stop, then he never did it again. Guess I shouldn't have tried to hit him the first time. Despite being a 4th seed, Cloud is by far the hardest boss in the Hercules Cup, even Hercules himself isn't tough. Completing this cup makes me seal the keyhole here, nice.

The FF bosses are essentially there to teach you the importance of blocking and improving your timing. Just about all of them have moves that can be easily blocked and countered.

Skipping superbosses = skipping the best part of KH games imho

Yeah I think it's really fun to beat Sephiroth at least

I never beat Sephy in KH1

did beat him in KH2 though

Shipping grinding for superbosses in a game I've already beat them in probably is preferable, especially with a lot more games to go through.

Just collected the fragment pieces in Hollow Bastion. Beast might be the best temporary party member, Riku is really easy in the first fight. This probably is the best world, yeah.

Seems like I'll have to finish this closer to the weekend, I can't play the next two days because I'm away from home and without my Playstation. Had hoped to finish before but oh well.

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I think the bosses in Herc world are worth it. Ice Giant is easy if you just block. Sephiroth is tough, but beating him feels GOOD. Also, you get the best Keyblade.

There's a handful of other optional bosses. I think they're worth a go. You don't have to grind out levels to get to where you can beat them, iirc. Natural leveling from playing the game should've been good enough, though you could wait until beating Hollow Bastion. Otherwise, just gotta git gud.

I like doing the synthesis quests and those naturally grind you to superboss levels

Spam the strongest available thunder spell in Traverse Town after Hollow Bastion. Profit

Made it to that dragon fight and lost the first time.

yeah that's a tough one because Donald and Goofy are even more useless than usual in that fight