Current Events > The Democrat mantra of just vote is so insufferable .

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We did vote, people voted in recorded numbers even. And we are told oh just voted harder. That is why shit can't get done. It like the onest on us. When they are the people who can't get shit done. Like they are still voting for stuff that Republicans want , and putting up anti-choice judges. There are these things called blue slips that the Republicans did not honor. But The Dems are honoring.

It is time for them to govern.

it also never works. democrats never win on "the other guy is bad" alone, conservatives always have to fuck up something major

Gotta vote harder and in more states so they can get a real majority(there are more republicans in the senate than democrats) in the senate and keep the house. With a real majority it might be possible to alter filibuster rules(won't happen anyways) and then the democrats could actually do something(they still won't).

Here in AZ we managed to turn the state purple, got Sinema in place, and she's been an utter disappointment from the get-go. It was difficult enough to even get a Dem in place, I can't imagine we can successfully manage to swap her out with an actual Democrat, I think we're just screwed.

Unless you've resigned yourself to defeat or to violent overthrow of the government at a later date, voting is still an effective measure.

Even if they don't actually do anything of significant consequence, having a majority or preventing a GOP supermajority can still slow the descent.

If you want to do more than vote then do so, but if you don't at least vote then all your efforts are for not

wackyteen posted...

Unless you've resigned yourself to defeat or to violent overthrow of the government at a later date, voting is still an effective measure.

Even if they don't actually do anything of significant consequence, having a majority or preventing a GOP supermajority can still slow the descent.

If you want to do more than vote then do so, but if you don't at least vote then all your efforts are for not

See this is what I am taking about. It shouldn't be on us , it should be on the people in power to do something. Even when Republicans don't have the numbers they get stuff moving.Dems have the numbers can can't. Like I posted about this before. The Dems and Republicans jsut voted to give the military all this money. The Dems should have just said no, until we get the BBB.

cjsdowg posted...

It shouldn't be on us , it should be on the people in power to do something. Even when Republicans don't have the numbers they get stuff moving.Dems have the numbers can can't.

The Democrats try to induce change, but can't do anything because of the filibuster. That's because the Republicans largely just need to maintain the status quo of feeding idiotic cultural issues to their voting base so they can continue to funnel money to the rich and let long term inflation eat away at wages, thereby letting the rich save money on the cost of labor. The only way to fix the issue is for idiots to show up and elect more Democrats so they can get around the filibuster.

wackyteen posted...

If you want to do more than vote then do so, but if you don't at least vote then all your efforts are for not

It's "for nought", not "for not". Just FYI.

cjsdowg posted...

See this is what I am taking about. It shouldn't be on us , it should be on the people in power to do something. Even when Republicans don't have the numbers they get stuff moving.Dems have the numbers can can't. Like I posted about this before. The Dems and Republicans jsut voted to give the military all this money. The Dems should have just said no, until we get the BBB.

It shouldn't be, but that's the lot we find ourselves with.

It doesn't help that the Senate majority isn't a real majority and everything has to be run through a wannabe Red shit stain from West Virginia. A lot of things could have been passed but Manchin had to say no.

Which is where getting out and doing more than complaining comes into play. Finding and funding better candidates, candidates that want to make a difference. Instead of the milquetoast BS the Dem party has fed us for decades.

If you want to effect realistic change, find the appropriate candidates and give them realistic chances.

Provided it isn't already too late, what with state legislatures now being the approving authority behind certifying races. Which should be illegal, nobody should have the ability or authority to sign off that they won or lost their own race. Or to appoint people that can say the appointers won/lost a race.

wackyteen posted...

It shouldn't be, but that's the lot we find ourselves with.

It doesn't help that the Senate majority isn't a real majority and everything has to be run through a wannabe Red shit stain from West Virginia. A lot of things could have been passed but Manchin had to say no.

Which is where getting out and doing more than complaining comes into play. Finding and funding better candidates, candidates that want to make a difference. Instead of the milquetoast BS the Dem party has fed us for decades.

If you want to effect realistic change, find the appropriate candidates and give them realistic chances.

Provided it isn't already too late, what with state legislatures now being the approving authority behind certifying races. Which should be illegal, nobody should have the ability or authority to sign off that they won or lost their own race. Or to appoint people that can say the appointers won/lost a race.

They did find the appropriate candidate. In Texas.

And then Pelosi and all of her friends flew down their to endorse her opponent, an anti-choice dem that is currently on trial for domestic abuse instead

Its hard to give them realistic chances when the party itself won't

Vote in the right states. Vote in every election. Vote for every office. Vote as if your life depended on it.

Just vote.

Sariana21 posted...

Vote in the right states. Vote in every election. Vote for every office. Vote as if your life depended on it.

Just vote.

nah

I'll vote local but that's it

Have you ever considered that maybe the reason Democrats don't get anything done is because they don't want to get anything done, they just want to use it as "vote for us" bait?

(In fairness, yes, doing nothing is better than explicitly doing bad things, but still.)

Just vote, don't be lazy

Trumble posted...

Have you ever considered that maybe the reason Democrats don't get anything done is because they don't want to get anything done, they just want to use it as "vote for us" bait?

(In fairness, yes, doing nothing is better than explicitly doing bad things, but still.)

exactly

Oh look, once AGAIN I get to read about how the Democrats suck and it's basically their fault nothing changes.

I can't help but imagine a lot of undecided people see "unhappy Democrat voters, happy Republican voters" and just decide to vote Republican based on that.

Kain_Highwind posted...

nah

I'll vote local but that's it

Then don't complain about anything that happens outside of your town

Kain_Highwind posted...

nah

I'll vote local but that's it

And this is where we lose.

If you don't vote at every level, at every available opportunity, for your preferred candidate (or at least against a candidate that embodies the values that run counter to yours) then it makes no difference in the end.

It's like buying seeds and thinking you're going to grow a garden without planting them. It's a step in the right direction but you have to do more then vote local.

And voting local is important, don't get me wrong.

Reave314 posted...

Oh look, once AGAIN I get to read about how the Democrats suck and it's basically their fault nothing changes.

I can't help but imagine a lot of undecided people see "unhappy Democrat voters, happy Republican voters" and just decide to vote Republican based on that.

undecided people don't exist in a substantial number

Vote or die

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What we need is for the Senate and electoral college to be abolished and the Supreme Court heavily reformed.

The Dems were elected with essentially the most narrow majorities possible, and faced roadblocks by conservative Dems preventing the lions share of their agenda. The answer is to then vote for more Democrats in power to get some of what you want passed, not to vote for the GOP to basically shit on everything you support.

Dems certainly need better messaging, but yes. Fucking vote. They cant pass more with this congress, so give them bigger majorities.

K181 posted...

The Dems were elected with essentially the most narrow majorities possible, and faced roadblocks by conservative Dems preventing the lions share of their agenda. The answer is to then vote for more Democrats in power to get some of what you want passed, not to vote for the GOP to basically shit on everything you support.

Dems certainly need better messaging, but yes. Fucking vote. They cant pass more with with congress, so give them bigger majorities.

why vote for them when they roadblock progressives and actually boost conservatives

Kain_Highwind posted...

why vote for them when they roadblock progressives and actually boost conservatives

Having issues with some of the Democratic Party doesnt compare with hating the GOP with a seething rage.

And theyre the closest thing progressives have got to a progressive party, like it or not.

It would have been so great if Joe Manchin had retired already so that a Republican could take his Senate seat. (Itll be decades before a Democrat ever holds a Senate seat from West Virginia).

We wouldnt have to see these dumbass posts about Democrats being in control so why arent they passing through muh leftist agenda?!???

K181 posted...

The Dems were elected with essentially the most narrow majorities possible, and faced roadblocks by conservative Dems preventing the lions share of their agenda. The answer is to then vote for more Democrats in power to get some of what you want passed, not to vote for the GOP to basically shit on everything you support.

Dems certainly need better messaging, but yes. Fucking vote. They cant pass more with this congress, so give them bigger majorities.

Youre not making any sense. Its not complicated, people voted Democrats into power, therefor they control the government, therefor we should be getting what we wanted. Duh!

Exactly. People voted like they never voted before and we're somehow regressing as a nation.

K181 posted...

Having issues with some of the Democratic Party doesnt compare with hating the GOP with a seething rage.

And theyre the closest thing progressives have got to a progressive party, like it or not.

close to progressives don't support and help a pro-life domestic abuser win over an actual progressive

The issue is that people are pissed off now and telling them to just chill until November doesn't assuage that.

Good leaders give people actions to do while they're motivated. Donating, volunteering, organizing.

Reave314 posted...

Oh look, once AGAIN I get to read about how the Democrats suck and it's basically their fault nothing changes.

I can't help but imagine a lot of undecided people see "unhappy Democrat voters, happy Republican voters" and just decide to vote Republican based on that.

And who's fault is that. Biden almost pushed a anti-choice judge because of friend Mitch wanted it. How can we be happy about that?

CyricZ posted...

The issue is that people are pissed off now and telling them to just chill until November doesn't assuage that.

Good leaders give people actions to do while they're motivated. Donating, volunteering, organizing.

That's what Jill Biden tried to say but she worded it so poorly it likely did more harm than good.

History repeats itself

They're "better" but they do nothing

abolish the senate

wackyteen posted...

That's what Jill Biden tried to say but she worded it so poorly it likely did more harm than good.

Exactly. Leaders should be motivators and compass pointers.

Im in California. My vote for Democrats in this state isnt going to change anything.

ChopinList posted...

Im in California. My vote for Democrats in this state isnt going to change anything.

I'm in Kansas and my vote for Democrats in this state isn't going to change anything either.

I still do it.

_HayleyWilliams posted...

Exactly. People voted like they never voted before and we're somehow regressing as a nation.

The problem here is that people didn't "vote like they never voted before" in 2016, which allowed Trump to become president and get 3 SCOTUS picks.

The country would definitely still have problems even if Hillary won in 2016, but Roe v Wade wouldn't have been overturned. We wouldn't have had an insurrection attempt in 2020 (maybe it would have happened in 2016 instead?). The wealthy wouldn't have been given permanent tax cuts while everyone else gets temporary tax cuts if anything at all. Trans people wouldn't have been banned from the military.

I would rather have people who do nothing den people who willingly are trying to ruin lives

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It's not a "REEEEE Hillary" post. Just stating facts about certain things that have happened that have caused people to say the US is regressing as a nation.

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Ah. Even more baffling are the ones who claimed to be democratic voters, but voted Trump because Bernie Sanders didn't win the nomination.

CableZL posted...

Ah. Even more baffling are the ones who claimed to be democratic voters, but voted Trump because Bernie Sanders didn't win the nomination.

Less people switched from Sanders to Trump compared to the people who switched from Clinton to McCain. This is normal and happens in every election. So this was something Hillary should have accounted for.

I can just imagine the democrat voters staying home in november with the "why even vote?" Mentality while republicans voters be like arrrrrrrrrrrrgh gotta go out full force get those dirty dems outta therr aeereerrerrrrrrhrhrhrrhhrhrhrhrhrn!