Current Events > If a main MCU villain won, which would be the least awful for the world?

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They win in "their" movie and accomplish exactly what they set out to do.

Which would have the least amount of impact on your daily life or even benefit you?

Which would be the worst?

I mean, I guess Loki because we would all be brainwashed into loving him anyway.

Worst would obviously be Thanos because the snap is an extinction level event even if the MCU didn't really want to play that all the way through to conclusion.

There are so many villains whose aspirations aren't domination or conquer that it's a loaded question.
I could name 20 villains off the top of my head who would have zero impact on even just their own country if they "won".

Worst to win is also obvious. World enders lies Galactus (even though he's dead now), Annihilus, Dr.Doom, Thanos, etc.

Edit: the movies are also crazy obvious.
Whiplash would have exactly no impact on anything ever if he won. Same for Vulture, Lizard, Doctor Octopus, and a few others.
Worst would obviously be Thanos or Ultron.

Well, since No Way Home made ASM canon, i want lizard to win so i can be a lizard and....well that's it. That was as far as that plan went. Life would continue as normal, except I'd be a lizard.

Baron Zemo won, so that one.

I was reading a GotG series, and there is a celestial named The Gardener, and he raised an army of evil Groots, and it was kind of like the zombie apocalypse except evil tree people. I'd be okay with this.

Obadiah Stane, probably.

GameGodOfAll posted...

Which would be the worst?

Loki

meestermj posted...

There are so many villains whose aspirations aren't domination or conquer that it's a loaded question.

This isn't a loaded question at all.

And worst would probably be Ego, even Thanos left half the people live. With Ego we'd all be assimilated into his consciousness or whatever.

Maybe Stane would be the "best"? He'd just get richer and richer, we already deal with that shit with Bezos and Musk.

GATTJT posted...

This isn't a loaded question at all.

And worst would probably be Ego, even Thanos left half the people live. With Ego we'd all be assimilated into his consciousness or whatever.

Maybe Stane would be the "best"? He'd just get richer and richer, we already deal with that shit with Bezos and Musk.

"Loaded" was probably the wrong term.
"Easy as fuck to answer" is less succint.
So many MCU villains have no aspiration outside of "make money" or "do science" or simply revenge.

Least worst would probably be Zemo (who did win). No more Super Soldiers doesn't sound bad. If Zemo doesnt count, I'd probably say the Kree from Captain Marvel. No Skrulls doesnt sound like it would have much of an effect.

Absolute worst (for us on earth) would he Ultron. Or Thanos if we go all around because he was literally planning to wipe out all life.

Ultron

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Lokison posted...

Least worst would probably be Zemo (who did win). No more Super Soldiers doesn't sound bad. If Zemo doesnt count, I'd probably say the Kree from Captain Marvel. No Skrulls doesnt sound like it would have much of an effect.

Absolute worst (for us on earth) would he Ultron. Or Thanos if we go all around because he was literally planning to wipe out all life.

Zemo defeating the Avengers led to the snap.

The one from Doctor Strange 2

Really depends on how deep ya go with it.

Stane winning wouldn't really have much impact on the general public in the grand scheme of things, but then Tony's dead. Do the Avengers win against Loki without Iron Man? Thanos?

Ultron would have meant the end of the Earth, but the galaxy at large would have been fine probably.

Ego's a real strong contender since Earth would have been fucked along with the rest of the galaxy.

I think Dormammu woulda been up there with Ego.

My boy Zemo's disqualified since he actually did win. Of course him winning kind of lead to Thanos winning over a fractured Avengers so...not great.

What did Yellowjacket want again? Just some business stuff? He wasn't even out to kill Scott. Could argue though that there would be no Ant-Man and then Endgame never happens.

Harvey Weinstein in Black Widow wouldn't have really changed much iirc. He just sort of wanted awful things to continue on as they are now only under more of his control.

Killian in Iron Man 3 just sorta wanted money and terrorism. Terrorism's bad of course, but it's not a world ender. Same with Justin Hammer. Whiplash is also a weird one cause he was sort of a sub-villain underling, so idk if we count him.

Vulture would have caused a lot of problems with super powered criminals running around, but again, not a global threat. Would impact those of us in America though.

What about Ghost? Was her getting healed gonna fuck up reality or anything? Rip a tear in some shit?

Honestly the Villain that could have done the most damage quickly (outside of ultron and Thanos which are team level threats) would be Killmonger.

He would have plunged the world into war and with Wakandan tech they would have made short work of any opposition.

Then again they would have had to fight against Wanda at some point but I digress.

GameGodOfAll posted...

What did Yellowjacket want again? Just some business stuff? He wasn't even out to kill Scott. Could argue though that there would be no Ant-Man and then Endgame never happens.

He wanted to weaponize the miniaturization tech and sell it. That would have had pretty serious consequences, but also just on Earth.

Thanos, according to Thanos

Probably one of the Spider-man villians. The Vulture just wanted to make some money. Though I guess they were selling alien based weaponry to criminals. I don't think Mysterio actually wanted to hurt anyone.

meestermj posted...

Worst to win is also obvious. World enders lies Galactus (even though he's dead now), Annihilus, Dr.Doom, Thanos, etc.

I thought Dr.Doom winning would actually be a good thing? Like he'd actually fix the problems with the world.

Granted I don't keep up with comics, so if he's super evil now as opposed to well meaning evil, then yeah.

All Ghost wanted was a way to cure her condition

Thanos

You mean like if they didn't have Groot in Guardians?

Going by how it happened in the MCU, people were able to recover and move on from the snap. Any other villain probably would end up killing everyone, so having a 50/50 shot at living seems like the best case scenario. Though in real life without magical technology, quick recovery probably would not happen. We'd basically be totally fucked for decades at minimum, so that might mean ultimate doom anyway.

Nemu posted...

Going by how it happened in the MCU, people were able to recover and move on from the snap. Any other villain probably would end up killing everyone, so having a 50/50 shot at living seems like the best case scenario. Though in real life without magical technology, quick recovery probably would not happen. We'd basically be totally fucked for decades at minimum, so that might mean ultimate doom anyway.

I strongly disagree. They really oversold society not being able to move on in Endgame.

TerraSeeker posted...

I strongly disagree. They really oversold society not being able to move on in Endgame.

Its not really the social aspect but the infrastructural aspect and the cleanup. Youre losing half of all people who know how to keep all of our systems running. You have half of all running cars simply abandoned in the roads. During the initial first month, youre going to lose countless people via suicide. Able-bodied people remaining are going to be partly useless until they get over their initial depression. Youre going to have crime running rampant.

Thats just a small handful of the overall issues youre going to be dealing with after the snap. The MCU was able to keep going with super tech and their super heroes able to sort of keep the world together, but without that we would doubtlessly be quite screwed overall.

Umbreon posted...

I thought Dr.Doom winning would actually be a good thing? Like he'd actually fix the problems with the world.

Granted I don't keep up with comics, so if he's super evil now as opposed to well meaning evil, then yeah.

Doom has never been well meaning, really. Everything he does is for himself ultimately.

Nemu posted...

Able-bodied people remaining are going to be partly useless until they get over their initial depression.

I was already depressed. All I'm saying is there is always a lot of opportnity after a large portion of poplation dies for those who want to succeed, and the infrastructre problems would be quickly solved. Super tech is irrelvant.

I think it's Sam Raimi's Spiderman 2 assuming you count it as part of MCU due to No Way Home.

Doc killed Spidey during their final fight. Doc unmasked him and found his student. Doc snapped back to normal. Doc saved MJ and stopped his experiment. Aunt May cried. JJ got the scoop of the day, "Finally! Justice Prevailed!"

Doc would likely choose to live here since he HAD to save MJ and Peter's body. Another alternative would be Doc managed to finish his experiment here (as per OP). Thing would unravel more or less the same only with an alive Spidey at the end.

Fast forward to Spiderman 3...
- If Doc made it here, he could finish his research and benefit the whole humanity. Otherwise, he might choose the superhero route as redemption.
- Harry had no more reason to keep his anger. He snapped back to normal or MJ snapped him back. They started dating.
- Flint had no reason to fight, he just robbed the truck then settled down somewhere. Might choose the superhero route too.
- No Peter to pick up the symbiote, no Venom. If it managed to find another host... well, good luck against Harry/Doc/Flint lol

Nemu posted...

Its not really the social aspect but the infrastructural aspect and the cleanup. Youre losing half of all people who know how to keep all of our systems running. You have half of all running cars simply abandoned in the roads. During the initial first month, youre going to lose countless people via suicide. Able-bodied people remaining are going to be partly useless until they get over their initial depression. Youre going to have crime running rampant.

Thats just a small handful of the overall issues youre going to be dealing with after the snap. The MCU was able to keep going with super tech and their super heroes able to sort of keep the world together, but without that we would doubtlessly be quite screwed overall.

Also distribution of death wasn't uniform and it affected all living things.

That's a recipe for total ecological collapse in some areas. With a little bad luck, you'd get widespread famine.

I'd imagine Whiplash, since he just wanted to kill Iron Man and that was it.

Maybe Stark's tech falling into the government's hands as a result of his untimely death (or Whiplash's cooperation) might end up being bad for the world later on down the line if there was another world war or something, but idk.

After him, maybe Obediah? I guess Stark Industries returning to weapons manufacturing, but with arc reactor technology, would also be bad in the long run, but that's about it.