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CRON
07/02/22 5:37:45 PM
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https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/559881-florida-gov-signs-law-requiring-students-and-faculty-be/


Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday signed legislation mandating public colleges and universities survey students and faculty about their beliefs in an effort to promote intellectual diversity on campuses. We obviously want our universities to be focused on critical thinking, academic rigor, DeSantis said during a news conference Tuesday, according to the Naples Daily News.

We do not want them as basically hotbeds for stale ideology, he said. It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where youd be exposed to a lot of different ideas, DeSantis said. Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments, he added. Under House Bill 233, surveys would be conducted annually on campuses to assess viewpoint diversity and intellectual freedom, and determine the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented, and whether students and faculty feel free to express beliefs and viewpoints on campus and in the classroom.

The bill does not specifically say what will be done with survey results, but DeSantis suggested budget cuts could be imminent if universities and colleges are found to be indoctrinating students. Thats not worth tax dollars and thats not something that were going to be supporting moving forward, the governor said. The legislation, which goes into effect July 1, also aims to ensure students are being shown ideas that they may disagree with or find uncomfortable. The measure was among three education bills signed by DeSantis Tuesday. Other measures included an expansion of civics education for K-12 schools, including instruction about the perils of communist and totalitarian governments.
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thronedfire2
07/02/22 5:38:59 PM
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sounds illegal

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wackyteen
07/02/22 5:39:33 PM
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What's to stop someone from lying or rigging their results?

They gonna fire you or punish you for not matching your proported beliefs?

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untrustful
07/02/22 5:39:49 PM
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The legislation, which goes into effect July 1, also aims to ensure students are being shown ideas that they may disagree with or find uncomfortable.

RICH IRONY after he made it so slavery couldn't be taught accurately to avoid discomfort.

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Nerevar791
07/02/22 5:41:37 PM
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Such a bastion of freedom right Joe Rogan?

Fuck DeSantis and fuck fascist trash. Absolutely horrendous attack on academic freedom and free speech

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MattcheteGuy
07/02/22 5:42:02 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
sounds illegal


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__aCEr__
07/02/22 5:43:05 PM
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CRON posted...
Other measures included an expansion of civics education for K-12 schools, including instruction about the perils of communist and totalitarian governments.

I think students in Florida have a pretty good idea of what a totalitarian government looks like.

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Wedge Antilles
07/02/22 5:43:39 PM
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DeSantis: "I will make it legal"

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Vegy
07/02/22 5:44:09 PM
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Can we say gay again

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LightHawKnight
07/02/22 5:44:22 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
sounds illegal


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Heartomaton
07/02/22 5:44:23 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
sounds illegal

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CRON
07/02/22 5:44:53 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
sounds illegal

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DipDipDiver
07/02/22 5:45:18 PM
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This is incredibly stupid
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lilORANG
07/02/22 5:45:19 PM
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Good thing we have a SCOTUS that will shut this down as blatant first amendment violations

Right?

And bro this doesn't need to be a law. Hire a private survey company to do this. What a weirdo.

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Nerevar791
07/02/22 5:47:41 PM
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Okay since I just read this chapter last night and this asshole made it insanely prescient today:

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Strider102
07/02/22 5:47:53 PM
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So basically if you're conservative you're ok, but if you're liberal prepare for budget cuts because of "indoctrination".

Seems legit.

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Hop103
07/02/22 5:48:00 PM
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I do like the lack of safe spaces mentioned in the bill, you're in a university, you're going to hear and see shit that's uncomfortable and you got to deal with it.

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GrandConjuraton
07/02/22 5:56:02 PM
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Conservatives know that their days are numbered once the older generation dies off, and this is a part of their struggle to spread their poison to college age people and try to stave off extinction.

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Nerevar791
07/02/22 5:56:51 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Conservatives know that their days are numbered once the older generation dies off
I think this is pretty off base, unfortunately. If anything, younger conservatives are further right and more openly embracing fascism and white nationalism.

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GrandConjuraton
07/02/22 5:57:48 PM
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Nerevar791 posted...
I think this is pretty off base, unfortunately. If anything, younger conservatives are further right and more openly embracing fascism and white nationalism.
Yeah, but there's not nearly as many as the older generation.

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Imit8m3
07/02/22 6:00:04 PM
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Florida man is going to Florida man.
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FL81
07/02/22 6:01:05 PM
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are you able to answer with a bullshit meme answer

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Nerevar791
07/02/22 6:01:40 PM
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But seriously, anyone who claims to care about "cancel culture" and "free speech on campus" but isn't up in arms about this is showing their whole goddamn ass

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HylianFox
07/02/22 6:02:27 PM
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Strider102 posted...
So basically if you're conservative you're ok, but if you're liberal prepare for budget cuts because of "indoctrination".


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MattcheteGuy
07/02/22 6:03:09 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Yeah, but there's not nearly as many as the older generation.

unfortunately, he's right. The "older generation fade out" theory about conservativism is shortsighted, and cannot be relied upon.

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GrandConjuraton
07/02/22 6:03:44 PM
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MattcheteGuy posted...
unfortunately, he's right. The "older generation fade out" theory about conservativism is shortsighted, and cannot be relied upon.
He's not.

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Nerevar791
07/02/22 6:04:06 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Yeah, but there's not nearly as many as the older generation.
I'd love to think you're right but I really don't unfortunately. The far-right is surging around the world and they're more interconnected than ever before. It's a real, global problem that needs to be directly combated.

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PoundGarden
07/02/22 6:05:08 PM
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Astonishing to me how the people who have the biggest boner for the constitution and freedom are the ones who understand it the least and have no problem using it as an asswipe

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dave_is_slick
07/02/22 6:06:08 PM
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Nazi Florida, you mean. Let's call it what it is.

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Michael_Booth
07/02/22 6:07:50 PM
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This won't be happening at my alma mater and I'll be encouraging my relatives to attend it, as well.
The University of Life, doesn't have safe spaces, nor surveys and never will.
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Nerevar791
07/02/22 6:08:30 PM
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Michael_Booth posted...
This won't be happening at my alma mater and I'll be encouraging my relatives to attend it, as well.
The University of Life, doesn't have safe spaces, nor surveys and never will.
Physically impossible for me to be rolling my eyes any harder right now

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Heartomaton
07/02/22 6:09:51 PM
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The improper use of commas in that post is making my head hurt.

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Nerevar791
07/02/22 6:10:31 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
The improper use of commas in that post is making my head hurt.
That's the kind of fantastic education one gets at U of L

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Nunyobidness
07/02/22 6:10:33 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Astonishing to me how the people who have the biggest boner for the constitution and freedom are the ones who understand it the least and have no problem using it as an asswipe

Simple answer, they were lying. They don't give a shit about the constitution or this country. They only like it when they can use it to satisfy some warped objective. When it's against them they will be the first to try to set it on fire.
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Nerevar791
07/02/22 6:11:26 PM
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Nunyobidness posted...
Simple answer, they were lying. They don't give a shit about the constitution or this country. They only like it when they can use it to satisfy some warped objective. When it's against them they will be the first to try to set it on fire.
Correct. The Constitution is useful to them only as a bludgeon to protect their interests and demolish those of their targets

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MattcheteGuy
07/02/22 6:11:50 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
He's not.

do you want to take a chance on that? We're on the same team here. "The problem will sort itself out because time and aging process" doesn't work. It's blind idealism. Last week proved that and the shit happening since then is eroding that logic even further.

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FortuneCookie
07/02/22 6:13:33 PM
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Nothing alarming there.

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BearlyWilling
07/02/22 6:15:15 PM
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Hilarious coming from the GOP fuckwad that is trying to stifle any talk about racism, discrimination, etc.

Can we seriously do the Bugs Bunny GIF with Florida already? Texas too.

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GrandConjuraton
07/02/22 6:16:39 PM
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MattcheteGuy posted...
do you want to take a chance on that? We're on the same team here. "The problem will sort itself out because time and aging process" doesn't work. It's blind idealism. Last week proved that and the shit happening since then is eroding that logic even further.
I'm not taking a chance on anything. The younger generations aren't really what i'm worried about or what you should worry about; what should REALLY be worried about is that if the fascists who are currently in power will be able to install a dictatorship and/or a theocracy before they actually do die off, and then it'll be too late for anyone to do anything about it. If Deathsantis is elected president, it's likely as good as over.

I don't have any power to do anything, anyway. I'm expecting to be in a camp a few years down the road for the "crime" of being transgender, x.x

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DarthAragorn
07/02/22 6:27:07 PM
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Remember when fascists got bullets, not american votes?

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Frolex
07/02/22 6:28:59 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
sounds illegal

it is. current supreme court won't care.

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Alucard188
07/02/22 6:29:12 PM
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Wait. A Republican Governor is talking about not wanting colleges and universities to have stale ideology? Is he talking about the book he follows?

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Heartomaton
07/02/22 6:30:03 PM
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If the object of this bullshit game they're playing with human lives was to remove safe spaces and force together differing ideas, then knowing what everyone's beliefs and allegiances are is blatantly counterproductive.

Unfortunately for those of us who are decent enough people to not be outright evil, they game they're actually playing is "Let's See How Many Human Rights Violations We Can Get Away With".

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MattcheteGuy
07/02/22 6:36:43 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
I'm not taking a chance on anything. The younger generations aren't really what i'm worried about or what you should worry about; what should REALLY be worried about is that if the fascists who are currently in power will be able to install a dictatorship and/or a theocracy before they actually do die off, and then it'll be too late for anyone to do anything about it. If Deathsantis is elected president, it's likely as good as over.

I don't have any power to do anything, anyway. I'm expecting to be in a camp a few years down the road for the "crime" of being transgender, x.x

I understand that and I do no disagree but that subhuman filth is not going to be elected by "old people" alone nor does his trash ideology have full boomer support. I have parents and relatives from 60s to 90s and a vast majority are just as outraged by the bullshit of the past half a decade or so as I am. The whole point is that Shitnuts florida dickhead is running on a platform of trying to rile up and indoctrinate a mindless young red tide of voters to accomplish the very thing you fear. That is his endgame with this, not galvanizing old red voters who will stick to the red bullshit status quo.

You can't wait for them to "die off" because the whole point is replant the seeds and raise a new crop. That's what this is about and that's what this law is intended to do. I know you live in a hopeless place and I know that my perspective may be affected by living in a blue stronghold. It's easy for me to yell and be angry without actually doing anything but in the end I don't have the capacity to do anything that anyone else can't do either. I'm just one person and perspective is just perspective.

If there is anything good anywhere, it won't be "older people die off and perception shifts without their input," it will be "People will no longer stand for oppressive and bigoted thought and do things to wipe it out." If that doesn't happen, they'll find a reason to put me into the same camp as you a little while later. I wouldn't say "I told you so" but if I was still alive then it would mean I fucked up at some point :/

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Ruvan22
07/02/22 9:58:35 PM
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Hop103 posted...
I do like the lack of safe spaces mentioned in the bill, you're in a university, you're going to hear and see shit that's uncomfortable and you got to deal with it.

Do you believe there should be no safe spaces at a university as you should be constantly being challenged and made uncomfortable? A gay man should be constantly be hearing that homosexuality is wrong?
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FL81
07/03/22 1:40:18 AM
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can I put down my political affiliation as "illuminati"

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ZMythos
07/03/22 1:44:52 AM
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The Republican Paryt is undeniably fascist. It's been this way for decades, but anyone who denies it is either fascist-adjacent or completely ignorant.

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Wetterdew
07/03/22 1:52:10 AM
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CRON posted...
We do not want our universities as basically hotbeds for liberal ideology, he said. It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where youd be exposed to liberal AND conservative ideas, DeSantis said. Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are environments where conservative views like mine have been rejected, he added. Under House Bill 233, surveys would be conducted annually on campuses to assess alignment with conservative values, and determine the extent to which my political ideologies are presented, and whether enough students and faculty are vocally conservative

The bill does not specifically say what will be done with survey results, but DeSantis suggested budget cuts could be imminent if universities and colleges are found to not be conservative enough. Thats not worth tax dollars and thats not something that were going to be supporting moving forward, the governor said. The legislation, which goes into effect July 1, also aims to ensure students are being shown conservative ideas that they will disagree with and find uncomfortable. The measure was among three education bills signed by DeSantis Tuesday. Other measures included an expansion of civics education for K-12 schools, including instruction about the perils of communist and totalitarian governments.

I fixed the writing by removing the euphemisms.

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jpenny2
07/03/22 1:52:33 AM
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Florida doesn't want Texas to be the worst state.

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