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Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 7:39:08 PM #1:	i actually dont understand it. yeah hes edgy and its a bit cringe but hes actually a RIVAL Wally is a joke, even the game itself laughs at him, he sucks and everyone knows it. Barry is cool, i like him, but hes never portrayed as being your equal. hes always just a dopey little brother. not a proper contender Cheren and Bianca arent anywhere near what a rival is supposed to be. theyre buddy buddy wimpy friends who clearly dont even consider themselves competition to you in any way. N is dope though the 3ds/switch pokemon games have this problem too from what ive heard but i havent played them so i wont speak on them --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966268046] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>i actually dont understand it. yeah hes edgy and its a bit cringe but hes actually a RIVAL Wally is a joke, even the game itself laughs at him, he sucks and everyone knows it. Barry is cool, i like him, but hes never portrayed as being your equal. hes always just a dopey little brother. not a proper contender Cheren and Bianca arent anywhere near what a rival is supposed to be. theyre buddy buddy wimpy friends who clearly dont even consider themselves competition to you in any way. N is dope though the 3ds/switch pokemon games have this problem too from what ive heard but i havent played them so i wont speak on them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragon 07/01/22 7:43:29 PM #2:	No rival will ever top Blue but upon replay of Sword, Hop gets a lot of underserved hate as well. --- Secret Board Report: 201-200! Can it get any higher?! Licks Dragon Angel X2 -- Carlo Aquino <cite>Dragon posted [p:966268135] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>No rival will ever top Blue but upon replay of Sword, Hop gets a lot of underserved hate as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 7:48:26 PM #4:	Dragon posted... No rival will ever top Blue but upon replay of Sword, Hop gets a lot of underserved hate as well. whats he like? feel free to spoil, i plan to play that game soonish but i dont care about spoilers in a pokemon game, and im curious about this --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966268241] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>No rival will ever top Blue but upon replay of Sword, Hop gets a lot of underserved hate as well.</quote>whats he like? feel free to spoil, i plan to play that game soonish but i dont care about spoilers in a pokemon game, and im curious about this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 07/01/22 7:48:37 PM #5:	Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise --- Thanks to Proofpyros for the sig images https://i.imgur.com/Nv4Pi1v.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N43HJYv.jpg <cite>FL81 posted [p:966268245] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Neoconkers 07/01/22 7:49:53 PM #6:	Wally isn't even the worst rival in that game, your first rival doesn't even fully evolve their starter --- . <cite>Neoconkers posted [p:966268274] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Wally isn't even the worst rival in that game, your first rival doesn't even fully evolve their starter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 7:50:58 PM #7:	Neoconkers posted... Wally isn't even the worst rival in that game, your first rival doesn't even fully evolve their starter true i literally forgot you even fight him, thats how pathetic he is lol --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966268306] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Neoconkers posted... </cite> <quote>Wally isn't even the worst rival in that game, your first rival doesn't even fully evolve their starter</quote>true i literally forgot you even fight him, thats how pathetic he is lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 07/01/22 7:51:33 PM #8:	Silver isn't even your rival. He's just some random dweeb that shows up every once in a while. A rival is someone you actually have any attachment to whatsoever, not just someone who happens to exist within the same universe as you. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:966268318] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Silver isn't even your rival. He's just some random dweeb that shows up every once in a while. A rival is someone you actually have any attachment to whatsoever, not just someone who happens to exist within the same universe as you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 07/01/22 7:52:26 PM #9:	FL81 posted... Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise --- Crown of creation, creation of shame. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:966268344] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite> <quote>Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tote_All_ 07/01/22 7:53:03 PM #10:	Hau is a great rival. <cite>Tote_All_ posted [p:966268362] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Hau is a great rival. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkDaLunatic 07/01/22 8:04:16 PM #11:	yeah, it hasn't been fun to have rivals in pokemon for a while... they usually suck anymore, rarely would they ever stand a chance of beating you. and personality-wise, they just give you no motivation to try to beat them or want to improve over them. everything's just friendly anymore. no jealousy, no bitterness, no true rivalry really... just pals, palin' around. i want a rival who absolutely bullies you. have their mons programmed to always outlevel yours, make each battle difficult (but not unwinnable!) and have it so the story can progress, win or lose, but that you have a lot to gain from winning and a lot to lose from losing. have them turn their nose up at you, disrespect you, make you WANT to beat them and rub their face in it. make rivals fun. <cite>LinkDaLunatic posted [p:966268617] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>yeah, it hasn't been fun to have rivals in pokemon for a while... they usually suck anymore, rarely would they ever stand a chance of beating you. and personality-wise, they just give you no motivation to try to beat them or want to improve over them. everything's just friendly anymore. no jealousy, no bitterness, no true rivalry really... just pals, palin' around. i want a rival who absolutely bullies you. have their mons programmed to always outlevel yours, make each battle difficult (but not unwinnable!) and have it so the story can progress, win or lose, but that you have a lot to gain from winning and a lot to lose from losing. have them turn their nose up at you, disrespect you, make you WANT to beat them and rub their face in it. make rivals fun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 07/01/22 8:18:13 PM #12:	They made a conscious decision to make the rivals less adversarial. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. But some of the newer rivals are too cringey, especially the gen 6 gang. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:966268921] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>They made a conscious decision to make the rivals less adversarial. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. But some of the newer rivals are too cringey, especially the gen 6 gang. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 07/01/22 8:18:54 PM #13:	I don't think any rival after Silver was good --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:966268933] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>I don't think any rival after Silver was good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 07/01/22 8:20:00 PM #14:	Ryuko_Chan posted... but hes actually a RIVAL No, he's a criminal. --- https://i.imgur.com/Y5Tq1gV.gif https://i.imgur.com/sgLkVQU.gif Joe Burrow, the legend <cite>WaterLink posted [p:966268957] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>but hes actually a RIVAL</quote> No, he's a criminal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 8:46:07 PM #15:	ChocoboMogALT posted... They made a conscious decision to make the rivals less adversarial. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. But some of the newer rivals are too cringey, especially the gen 6 gang. >they made a conscious decision to make the rivals less adversarial no shit? obviously it wasnt an accident. i dont get what youre trying to say here >just because you dont like it doesnt mean its bad what is that even supposed to mean? obviously this is a subjective topic --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966269648] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>ChocoboMogALT posted... </cite> <quote>They made a conscious decision to make the rivals less adversarial. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. But some of the newer rivals are too cringey, especially the gen 6 gang.</quote>>they made a conscious decision to make the rivals less adversarial no shit? obviously it wasnt an accident. i dont get what youre trying to say here >just because you dont like it doesnt mean its bad what is that even supposed to mean? obviously this is a subjective topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 8:48:05 PM #16:	Irony posted... I don't think any rival after Silver was good agree except for N if you can call N a rival --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966269692] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think any rival after Silver was good</quote>agree except for N if you can call N a rival </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kuwab0 07/01/22 8:57:07 PM #17:	I like Hugh even though hes not really a rival --- http://i.imgur.com/QfpP05s.png http://i.imgur.com/vdnZ1o6.png http://i.imgur.com/zTgf822.png <cite>kuwab0 posted [p:966269911] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>I like Hugh even though hes not really a rival </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilliamPorygon 07/01/22 8:58:59 PM #18:	FL81 posted... Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise This, pretty much every game after doesn't have a "rival" so much as a generic friend you happen to battle several times throughout the story --- Dolphins are people too! https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1404-cetacea-cove <cite>WilliamPorygon posted [p:966269951] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite> <quote>Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise</quote>This, pretty much every game after doesn't have a "rival" so much as a generic friend you happen to battle several times throughout the story </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tsukasa1891 07/01/22 9:00:44 PM #19:	FL81 posted... Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise Isn't silver the only one to have character development? --- (edited 2/30/2022 10:51:12 AM) <cite>Tsukasa1891 posted [p:966269983] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite> <quote>Silver is the most well-written rival in the franchise</quote>Isn't silver the only one to have character development? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 07/01/22 9:01:08 PM #20:	Tsukasa1891 posted... Isn't silver the only one to have character development? No. Most of them do. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:966269996] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Tsukasa1891 posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't silver the only one to have character development?</quote>No. Most of them do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/01/22 9:01:35 PM #21:	Tote_All_ posted... Hau is a great rival. Nah, he's absolutely the worst fucking shitty rival they ever made. Even Shauna is better. Hop was an ok execution of what they were going with with Hau, but not worthless garbage --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:966270007] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Tote_All_ posted... </cite> <quote>Hau is a great rival.</quote>Nah, he's absolutely the worst fucking shitty rival they ever made. Even Shauna is better. Hop was an ok execution of what they were going with with Hau, but not worthless garbage </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/01/22 9:01:40 PM #22:	WilliamPorygon posted... This, pretty much every game after doesn't have a "rival" so much as a generic friend you happen to battle several times throughout the story And in gen 5 happens to be a dick who waits till a town entrance when youre at your weakest to challenge you. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:966270008] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>WilliamPorygon posted... </cite> <quote>This, pretty much every game after doesn't have a "rival" so much as a generic friend you happen to battle several times throughout the story</quote> And in gen 5 happens to be a dick who waits till a town entrance when youre at your weakest to challenge you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyle1022 07/01/22 9:06:22 PM #23:	It's cool how Silver is canonically ~~Giovanni's son~~ after the events of HG/SS. I wish Game Freak would put a little more heart and soul (pun intended) into their stories again Although Hop isn't bad. It's cool he actually gets a legendary <cite>Kyle1022 posted [p:966270098] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>It's cool how Silver is canonically Giovanni's son after the events of HG/SS. I wish Game Freak would put a little more heart and soul (pun intended) into their stories again Although Hop isn't bad. It's cool he actually gets a legendary </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/01/22 9:08:22 PM #24:	Ryuko_Chan posted... whats he like? feel free to spoil, i plan to play that game soonish but i dont care about spoilers in a pokemon game, and im curious about this Blue's an absolute fucking dick, but in the, like, 5 unique interactions you have with him, he grows to respect you even while he continues to be a dick. Narratively, this is not empty gesturing: He's always one step ahead of you, and the gameplay matches this somewhat: His team will usually be the only thing that is even a remotely threatening. This establishes all the good things of a rival. You know he's worth beating, and you look forward to beating him. He's everything Hau isn't. Fuck Hau. Every time he showed up I just wanted him to shut the fuck up and go away, I have bigger fish to fry. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:966270141] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>whats he like? feel free to spoil, i plan to play that game soonish but i dont care about spoilers in a pokemon game, and im curious about this</quote> Blue's an absolute fucking dick, but in the, like, 5 unique interactions you have with him, he grows to respect you even while he continues to be a dick. Narratively, this is not empty gesturing: He's always one step ahead of you, and the gameplay matches this somewhat: His team will usually be the only thing that is even a remotely threatening. This establishes all the good things of a rival. You know he's worth beating, and you look forward to beating him. He's everything Hau isn't. Fuck Hau. Every time he showed up I just wanted him to shut the fuck up and go away, I have bigger fish to fry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seaman_Prime 07/01/22 9:10:55 PM #25:	Silver is my favorite rival, I love how in the end he finally has a Crobat. Hop gets too much hate, yeah he sucks but at least he wants to beat you <cite>Seaman_Prime posted [p:966270184] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Silver is my favorite rival, I love how in the end he finally has a Crobat. Hop gets too much hate, yeah he sucks but at least he wants to beat you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 9:11:22 PM #26:	Guide posted... Blue's an absolute fucking dick, but in the, like, 5 unique interactions you have with him, he grows to respect you while even while he continues to be a dick. Narratively, this is not empty gesturing: He's always one step ahead of you, and the gameplay matches this somewhat: His team will usually be the only thing that is even a remotely threatening. This establishes all the good things of a rival. You know he's worth beating, and you look forward to beating him. He's everything Hau isn't. Fuck Hau. Every time he showed up I just wanted him to shut the fuck up and go away, I have bigger fish to fry. Blue isnt even that much of a dick though. isnt the meanest thing he says in the entire game "Smell ya later!"? like the guy asks how ur pokemon are doing and stuff --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966270193] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>Blue's an absolute fucking dick, but in the, like, 5 unique interactions you have with him, he grows to respect you while even while he continues to be a dick. Narratively, this is not empty gesturing: He's always one step ahead of you, and the gameplay matches this somewhat: His team will usually be the only thing that is even a remotely threatening. This establishes all the good things of a rival. You know he's worth beating, and you look forward to beating him. He's everything Hau isn't. Fuck Hau. Every time he showed up I just wanted him to shut the fuck up and go away, I have bigger fish to fry.</quote>Blue isnt even that much of a dick though. isnt the meanest thing he says in the entire game "Smell ya later!"? like the guy asks how ur pokemon are doing and stuff </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 07/01/22 9:12:09 PM #27:	Yeah, ??? was great --- MSI MEG X570 Unify \| Ryzen 7 5800X \| 32GB DDR4-3600 \| RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:966270211] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, ??? was great </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 07/01/22 9:14:12 PM #28:	Seaman_Prime posted... Silver is my favorite rival, I love how in the end he finally has a Crobat. Hop gets too much hate, yeah he sucks but at least he wants to beat you Havent played the new games so no idea about Hop, but yeah Silver having a Crobat in the final battle after Lance diddy bops him was eye popping for 11 year old me. Ryuko_Chan posted... Blue isnt even that much of a dick though. isnt the meanest thing he says in the entire game "Smell ya later!"? like the guy asks how ur pokemon are doing and stuff I think people just think of Blue as Gary from the anime which makes people think hes more of a douche than he actually is. And even Gary mellowed out after Ash beat him in the Silver Conference. --- Balenciaga hoodies and Gucci shoes #FreeMelly <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:966270269] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Seaman_Prime posted... </cite> <quote>Silver is my favorite rival, I love how in the end he finally has a Crobat. Hop gets too much hate, yeah he sucks but at least he wants to beat you</quote>Havent played the new games so no idea about Hop, but yeah Silver having a Crobat in the final battle after Lance diddy bops him was eye popping for 11 year old me. Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>Blue isnt even that much of a dick though. isnt the meanest thing he says in the entire game "Smell ya later!"? like the guy asks how ur pokemon are doing and stuff</quote>I think people just think of Blue as Gary from the anime which makes people think hes more of a douche than he actually is. And even Gary mellowed out after Ash beat him in the Silver Conference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/01/22 9:22:34 PM #29:	Ryuko_Chan posted... Blue isnt even that much of a dick though. isnt the meanest thing he says in the entire game "Smell ya later!"? like the guy asks how ur pokemon are doing and stuff It's in most of the things he says. "Were you really invited to this cruise ship?" "You're still struggling back there?" Although through that, he does show interest in your progress. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:966270457] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>Blue isnt even that much of a dick though. isnt the meanest thing he says in the entire game "Smell ya later!"? like the guy asks how ur pokemon are doing and stuff</quote> It's in most of the things he says. "Were you really invited to this cruise ship?" "You're still struggling back there?" Although through that, he does show interest in your progress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 07/01/22 9:24:42 PM #30:	Ah yes my favorite rival, ??? --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:966270494] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Ah yes my favorite rival, ??? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 07/01/22 9:40:02 PM #31:	Guide posted... It's in most of the things he says. "Were you really invited to this cruise ship?" "You're still struggling back there?" Although through that, he does show interest in your progress. yeah but hes not really that bad hes rude but not mean --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:966270842] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>It's in most of the things he says. "Were you really invited to this cruise ship?" "You're still struggling back there?" Although through that, he does show interest in your progress.</quote>yeah but hes not really that bad hes rude but not mean </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xavier_On_High 07/01/22 9:49:13 PM #32:	Hop suffers from being the rival in what are probably the easiest main line games. He would be a pretty good rival if the games had any challenge at all. --- http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltnafhjcUz1qmxswbo1_500.gif <cite>Xavier_On_High posted [p:966271045] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Hop suffers from being the rival in what are probably the easiest main line games. He would be a pretty good rival if the games had any challenge at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragon 07/01/22 10:32:32 PM #33:	Ryuko_Chan posted... whats he like? feel free to spoil, i plan to play that game soonish but i dont care about spoilers in a pokemon game, and im curious about this You definitely should play it. I sunk over 100 hours into the game so far this year. And the DLC is great for end game content if you like catching shinies or legendaries. Hop is like a less annoying Hau from Sun / Moon. He doesnt get in the way or have long or annoying dialogue, plus hes with you every step of the way. Its hard to explain but I enjoyed him. --- Secret Board Report: 201-200! Can it get any higher?! Licks Dragon Angel X2 -- Carlo Aquino <cite>Dragon posted [p:966272048] in the Johto ... [t:80079067]...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>whats he like? feel free to spoil, i plan to play that game soonish but i dont care about spoilers in a pokemon game, and im curious about this</quote>You definitely should play it. I sunk over 100 hours into the game so far this year. And the DLC is great for end game content if you like catching shinies or legendaries. Hop is like a less annoying Hau from Sun / Moon. He doesnt get in the way or have long or annoying dialogue, plus hes with you every step of the way. Its hard to explain but I enjoyed him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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