Current Events > With the recent outcome of R. Kelly, Michael Jackson was lucky as fuck that...

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... That shit occured for him in the early 90's, and not now, otherwise he would have no doubt be doing 30 years+ to life as well. Yeah, I believe the dude was guilty as fuck.

I don't think he did y

I can't believe people still think he was innocent. I get you like his music but holy shit thats some serious denial.

CanuckCowboy posted...

I can't believe people still think he was innocent. I get you like his music but holy shit thats some serious denial.

It's literally what fandom does to people. I love his music, but that doesn't mean I'm fucking disillusioned like the guy himself.

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It doesn't help a man's situation that there are multiple accusations to pull from. <_<

It's nice to know that people on the internet can decide anyone they want is guilty or innocent, regardless of what courts of law saw.

FortuneCookie posted...

It doesn't help a man's situation that there are multiple accusations to pull from. <_<

Doesn't hurt it either. Accusations mean nothing without evidence.

KeeperOfShadows posted...

Doesn't hurt it either. Accusations mean nothing without evidence.

https://youtu.be/7Q8qDM44fKk?t=73

Damn_Underscore posted...

It's nice to know that people on the internet can decide anyone they want is guilty or innocent, regardless of what courts of law saw.

Right?

KeeperOfShadows posted...

Doesn't hurt it either. Accusations mean nothing without evidence.

Yeah, I liked the Cosby Show too. I doubt I'll ever watch it again.

MJ was innocent unlike R. Kelly.

If anyone is lucky, it's Cosby and while most of the cases were bogus, more than enough were true for 20+ years in prison.

For almost anyone on Earth the whole "I didn't do any thing sexual with the kids, we just climbed around each other and acted like idiots for playtime because I wanted to feel like a kid!" would not fly.

But for Jackson? I actually kinda believe it. The dude was a complete weirdo

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain., Bill Cosby is a perfect example of this.

FortuneCookie posted...

It doesn't help a man's situation that there are multiple accusations to pull from. <_<

To be fair they kind of all ended up getting absolutely destroyed in court. It really is a case of the anchor fallacy at play where someone can legit think that MJ actually had a 100% chance of having been a molester when the accusations against him were stuff like how he molested a child while at the same time performing on live TV. Like, the kind of stuff that you would have to be desperate for MJ to be guilty to believe.

Just a reminder that Michael Jackson was acquitted on all charges and accusations. The person responsible for one of the initial accusations committed suicide shortly after Michael died, out of guilt.

UnfairRepresent posted...

For almost anyone on Earth the whole "I didn't do any thing sexual with the kids, we just climbed around each other and acted like idiots for playtime because I wanted to feel like a kid!" would not fly.

But for Jackson? I actually kinda believe it. The dude was a complete weirdo

Yeah. Weird as it is to say, dude just loved kids a lot (and likely because he didn't have much of a childhood), but I don't think he was interested in sexual relations with them.

R. Kelly is a whole ass piece of shit pedo though

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Name one

I work with kids. If my boss or a parent were to ever tell me that I'm being a little too touchy or something with a kid, I would IMMEDIATELY stop and change my behavior.

I would NOT say that they're ignorant and it's just love.

If MJ wasn't a pedo, I could understand maybe fucking up the first time. But if you're not a pedo, especially if you're the most famous person in the world, the last fucking thing you want is to be accused again .

No doubt MJ should've lawyered the fuck up, add cameras to Neverland, hire staff instead of him doing it himself, etc. What does he do instead? Fucking nothing and still puts kids in his bed.

The narrative that the kids are after the money is the defense claim his million dollar lawyers came up with. He was killed in the same way Epstein was, assassinated before any pedo illuminati shit came out. There's no reason those victims would outline their abuse post death knowing they can't get anything.

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Bro you really believe Michael did that shit? His estate clears his name constantly with evidence every time.

dude had some kinda insane pictures, that's for sure

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FortuneCookie posted...

It doesn't help a man's situation that there are multiple accusations to pull from. <_<

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ellis123 posted...

To be fair they kind of all ended up getting absolutely destroyed in court. It really is a case of the anchor fallacy at play where someone can legit think that MJ actually had a 100% chance of having been a molester when the accusations against him were stuff like how he molested a child while at the same time performing on live TV. Like, the kind of stuff that you would have to be desperate for MJ to be guilty to believe.

When did this chain of messages become about MJ and not Kelly?

Makeveli_lives posted...

When did this chain of messages become about MJ and not Kelly?

Don't you know, all discussions about pedophilia eventually evolve into discussions about MJ.

Makeveli_lives posted...

When did this chain of messages become about MJ and not Kelly?

When the topic title segued from being about R. Kelly and into MJ.

mj was probably a pedo but thriller was a 10/10 album and none of the songs are about sleeping with kids so im happy listening to it regardless

I loke how people pretend the doc didn't exist and that this wasn't huge news back in the day.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a60240/michael-jackson-child-porn-animal-torture-police-report/

But no its all disproven and he was just a big old kid at heart. Riiiight.

ultimate reaver posted...

mj was probably a pedo but thriller was a 10/10 album and none of the songs are about sleeping with kids so im happy listening to it regardless

Meanwhile, the LostProphets song Heaven for the Weather / Hell for the Company is almost certainly about coming to terms with being a pedophile.

CanuckCowboy posted...

I loke how people pretend the doc didn't exist and that this wasn't huge news back in the day.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a60240/michael-jackson-child-porn-animal-torture-police-report/

But no its all disproven and he was just a big old kid at heart. Riiiight.

I'm like 99% sure that story is fake and the source is literally a tabloid famous for just making shit up about celebrities.

Except it was also in that huge doc they did and reported by other places.

If it was fake his estate woulda sued cosmo blind would they not? Its weird its hard to fund more sources but again it was in that neverland doc as well.

The fact that article and the doc are up and neither the doc makers or cosmo got sued should be pretty telling imo.

"Innocent until proven guilty"? Nah, it should be "Innocent unless you don't sue". That makes sense.

Master Kazuya posted...

He was killed in the same way Epstein was, assassinated before any pedo illuminati shit came out.

Your post had me going right up to this.

In case the rest of your post was serious, while I understand how MJ's behavior looked, the court did find him not guilty, and I think from his perspective the behavior might have made sense. MJ claimed to care about kids a lot and loved being with them, MJ himself knew he wasn't guilty, and therefore saw no need to change his behavior. Some of the stuff he did was definitely weird as hell especially from a modern perspective, but if he wasn't guilty he wasn't guilty.

If he was...then he was a smooth criminal.

Look what else is still up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ive-seen-how-institutions-protect-men-accused-of-abuse-heres-what-we-can- do/2018/12/18/71fd876a-02ed-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html

Guess Johnny's guilty as sin, right?

"BUT THEY DIDN'T SUE"

They did and they won.

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-lawsuit-appeal-1234853036/

CanuckCowboy posted...

I can't believe people still think he was innocent. I get you like his music but holy shit thats some serious denial.

Jordan Chandler sternly denied the allegations that Michael Jackson abused him until after he was administered sodium amytal (a drug known to enable false memories to be implanted) by his dentist father who had first made the allegations before his son did.
He couldnt describe the penis correct. The District Attorney, Thomas Sneddon, claimed that he had found a mark at about the same relative location. He prevented the medical professional, hired by the authorities to be present at the strip search, to compare it to Chandlers description. He was told by Sneddon that it was a perfect match.
Chandler also claimed that it was circumcised. It was not.
But hey, it is all about the music, right?

I mean if you really wanna cling to the belief he wasn't a fucking creep thats fine. Hang desperately to the court decision and the opportunists who muddied the waters... I'm not gonna convince you otherwise.

But be honest with yourself. If it was some random dude and you had all the same information you'd think he was a fucking scumbag pedo.

Wonder what the parents of those kids that went to stay with Michael are up to, because they are all definitely as fucked up as he is.

Some freakish looking dude asks if your kids can sleep over, but he has a lot of money that you can sue him for, so you say yes? Burn in hell.

Now-a-days, telling a kid they should feel free to express themselves gets you labeled a pedo.

But suggesting MJ is a pedo is ludicrous, with MJ inviting kids over to sleep with him, explicitly denying their paid off parents access during those sleep overs.

CanuckCowboy posted...

I mean if you really wanna cling to the belief he wasn't a fucking creep thats fine. Hang desperately to the court decision and the opportunists who muddied the waters... I'm not gonna convince you otherwise.

But be honest with yourself. If it was some random dude and you had all the same information you'd think he was a fucking scumbag pedo.

A random dude wouldn't have a bedroom bigger than my entire house and thus it's much more suspicious when a kid falls asleep in a random dudes bedroom.

There's no easy 1-1 mapping the events to random dudes. Even when you delete names from the equation.

Trump should be in proson for all that Epstein shit hell everyyone in that black book of Epsteins should be

There was no smoking gun with MJ. That doesn't mean he was innocent, but it didn't have anything to do with it being the 90's

Tyranthraxus posted...

A random dude wouldn't have a bedroom bigger than my entire house and thus it's much more suspicious when a kid falls asleep in a random dudes bedroom.

Nah not really. Walls and doors count for something thats why we have them.

Sure if a random dude asked to sleep with my kids I'd assume he's a pedo. The difference between that random dude and MJ is that MJ went to court over it and was acquitted time and time again. For everyone else it's fine to assume their motive is sexual in nature, but MJ was constantly tested and came out ahead each time so I just gotta go with what the evidence says.

CanuckCowboy posted...

I mean if you really wanna cling to the belief he wasn't a fucking creep thats fine.

You swtiched horses

No one is saying he wasn't a "Creep" the question was whether he raped kids.

Pretending you can't tell the difference despite arguing for the latter mere minutes ago is crazy.

I don't think anyone including his biggest fans deny that he was a complete weirdo

Shut up. I used that word cause its easier to say. Also some people do deny hes a creep also you're reaching so hard.

Dude molested kids imo. Is that clear enough?

A_Good_Boy posted...

Sure if a random dude asked to sleep with my kids I'd assume he's a pedo. The difference between that random dude and MJ is that MJ went to court over it and was acquitted time and time again. For everyone else it's fine to assume their motive is sexual in nature, but MJ was constantly tested and came out ahead each time so I just gotta go with what the evidence says.

And oj didn't murder Nicole.

Ok buds.

And also money and influence doesn't let people get away with shit for years or until death. Nope that never happens.

darkmaian23 posted...

Your post had me going right up to this.

In case the rest of your post was serious, while I understand how MJ's behavior looked, the court did find him not guilty, and I think from his perspective the behavior might have made sense. MJ claimed to care about kids a lot and loved being with them, MJ himself knew he wasn't guilty, and therefore saw no need to change his behavior. Some of the stuff he did was definitely weird as hell especially from a modern perspective, but if he wasn't guilty he wasn't guilty.

If he was...then he was a smooth criminal.

It was totally serious. There is a huge ring of elite class pedophiles, we have proof of it from Epstein and Maxwell. We also know that people around this die/vanish. Epstein mysteriously dies while in jail and there's no footage. MJ suddenly before his final tour by a doctor injecting him with a lethal dose of a medicine that he's been taking for years? In his bedroom, and then doesn't perform adequate CPR on him. This is MJ's doctor. This is not no 3rd party Pelican doctor.

Also I think that's total BS. What non pedophile would continue to put kids in their bed especially after going through an entire at risk lawsuit and damage to their reputation? I doubt MJ likes going through trials. I doubt MJs legal team likes coming up with a defense case. All it takes is a lawyer to be ilke "Hey MJ, I know you think you're in the right but you putting another kid in your bed is gonna be a shitshow. Maybe let's not? Not cause you're wrong, let's just avoid the shitshow."

Abusers aren't just old dudes in raincoats jumping out of bushes. They can totally hide in the shadows with, let's see....claiming to love being with kids, claiming to be a kid yourself (therefore it's okay to be with kids!), justifying abuse they cause with abuse they received, make people focus on their talents and charm, and oh my gosh he made Heal The World how could he be a bad guy?? Makes a shitload of money, has his own property, all the Jacksons hide it for obvious reasons, other celebrities think he's weird around kids, the abuse victims are able to recall things in vivid detail. He's super awkward around girls even though they throw themselves at him, Lisa Marie doesn't even really speak on him, he has 3 random kids from some whale named Deborah or some shit? Wtf

His lifeblood for driving his talents and success is fucking kids. I don't care what kinda work you make or how famous you get or where you're from or why you do it, a pedo is a pedo.

Master Kazuya posted...

I work with kids. If my boss or a parent were to ever tell me that I'm being a little too touchy or something with a kid, I would IMMEDIATELY stop and change my behavior.

I would NOT say that they're ignorant and it's just love.

If MJ wasn't a pedo, I could understand maybe fucking up the first time. But if you're not a pedo, especially if you're the most famous person in the world, the last fucking thing you want is to be accused again .

No doubt MJ should've lawyered the fuck up, add cameras to Neverland, hire staff instead of him doing it himself, etc. What does he do instead? Fucking nothing and still puts kids in his bed.

We'll never really know if it was true that he molested kids or not. But at the very least this is all true.

Absolutely nobody else would have people defending that kind of behavior because of a shitty childhood or whatever.

CanuckCowboy posted...

I loke how people pretend the doc didn't exist and that this wasn't huge news back in the day.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a60240/michael-jackson-child-porn-animal-torture-police-report/

But no its all disproven and he was just a big old kid at heart. Riiiight.

But, but, they were just gifts sent by his fans from all over the world!

https://youtu.be/2uC8LSV-j2g