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L_Ratio_Cope
06/27/22 1:51:21 PM
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How the hell are openly conservative justices even allowed?
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Letron_James
06/27/22 1:51:52 PM
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Yes they are supposed to be but much like every other political position now it just depends on the time and place and what color you rep

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Antifar
06/27/22 1:52:18 PM
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No such thing

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Pogo_Marimo
06/27/22 1:54:06 PM
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Judges are supposed to faithfully interpret the law to the best of their ability, "bias" isn't a particularly useful word in describing whether or not they are doing that. Some laws are conservative and some laws are liberal in nature.

It's no different than there being 3 openly liberal justices on the court.

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TerraSeeker
06/27/22 2:13:02 PM
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You should realize that logic would apply to the leftist judges too.

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/27/22 2:14:06 PM
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They're supposed to be, but the entire infrastructure of the United States government runs off of the honor system, so there's no mechanisms in place for the American people to hold government officials accountable other than choosing between red or blue every 2/4 years

And we basically can't do shit about judges since we don't elect them and they get to serve for life. Great system, right?

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L_Ratio_Cope
06/27/22 2:16:41 PM
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TerraSeeker posted...
You should realize that logic would apply to the leftist judges too.


The leftist judges are actually center.
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Pogo_Marimo
06/27/22 2:20:36 PM
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L_Ratio_Cope posted...
The leftist judges are actually center.
"Center" isn't unbiased either.

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Irony
06/27/22 2:21:20 PM
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In a fairy world

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ANort175
06/27/22 2:22:39 PM
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TerraSeeker posted...
You should realize that logic would apply to the leftist judges too.

None of the judges are "leftist" you partisan hack.

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furb
06/27/22 2:23:50 PM
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The issue is sort of philosophical at its core. What is the rightist way to determine if something is constitutional? Does history and context matter? What does the document say specifically vs. what can be inferred?

We expect judges to employ their judgement. Some judges emphasize different things in doing so. The law is not always like a math equation. Instead there are multiple conclusions folks can reach with the same information whether acting in good or bad faith.

The big ideological divide is typically based on a textualist vs. living interpretation of the document.

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/27/22 2:36:43 PM
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furb posted...
The issue is sort of philosophical at its core. What is the rightist way to determine if something is constitutional? Does history and context matter? What does the document say specifically vs. what can be inferred?

We expect judges to employ their judgement. Some judges emphasize different things in doing so. The law is not always like a math equation. Instead there are multiple conclusions folks can reach with the same information whether acting in good or bad faith.

The big ideological divide is typically based on a textualist vs. living interpretation of the document.

You're not wrong.

But in this particular instance, we have judges who've openly admitted to wanting to make "liberals miserable"

In this case, we can confidently say these people are engaging in partisan politics and don't care about what's right

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DipDipDiver
06/27/22 2:38:09 PM
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They're supposed to be politically neutral, but they are also human beings with thoughts and opinions
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Lost_All_Senses
06/27/22 2:45:40 PM
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We need robot judges.

We need robots built by robots so that the robots can't pick up the biased nature of humans.

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ThePrinceFish
06/27/22 2:46:50 PM
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Constitutionbot, what is your ruling?

Constitutionbot finds that only robo lives are protected, kill all meatbags

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Doom_Art
06/27/22 2:48:17 PM
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Pretty crazy that millions of lives are affected by several right wing activist judges appointed by guys who the majority of people didn't vote for

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furb
06/27/22 2:50:34 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Constitutionbot, what is your ruling?

Constitutionbot finds that only robo lives are protected, kill all meatbags

https://youtu.be/CMbKalNq2gs

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ButteryMales
06/27/22 2:51:21 PM
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furb posted...
The big ideological divide is typically based on a textualist vs. living interpretation of the document.
It's right in the text that they didn't want what was explicitly in the text to be the only rights.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Ivany2008
06/27/22 2:54:14 PM
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They are supposed to be, but unfortunately they aren't always. I had an issue a few years ago with a company I worked with. Won't get into the details, but long story short it went to court after they fired me for unjust reasons. The judge who was a pre-trial judge was very much acting like an asshole, to the point where my former employers legal aide was like "hold on a second, no one should be treated like this". We settled out of court as we didn't want to chance getting that judge again.

But the judge himself was countering everything I was saying. I asked for my father to help speak for me as I at the time had issues speaking in public, and he outright refused. I asked if I could take a second to think about my answer and he kept badgering me to speed it up, despite less than 3 seconds happening.
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Rexdragon125
06/27/22 2:57:29 PM
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They're Federalists

https://indivisibleventura.org/federalist-society/
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Antifar
06/27/22 3:54:11 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
"Center" isn't unbiased either.
This is the most important point ITT: neutrality is a stance too, and not necessarily a more valid one. The law isn't handed down from on high; it's not immutable like a law of physics or mathematics. It's something that people made and can remake, and there's not a "just the facts" way to do that.

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brotrrwinner
06/27/22 3:56:16 PM
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L_Ratio_Cope posted...
How the hell are openly conservative justices even allowed?
So you'd have the same problem if there was openly democrat/liberal judges?

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Intro2Logic
06/27/22 4:04:23 PM
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It would actually be significantly worse if their views weren't open. How can a democracy (or at least democratic institutions) make fair evaluations of people who hide or dance around their beliefs?

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NightRender
06/27/22 4:07:34 PM
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In a way, biased judges injecting their beliefs into their rulings is the lesser of two evils, because the alternative is them only checking whether or not something is allowed by the Constitution, which increasingly is being revealed as incredibly out of date and irrelevant.

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eaglei3
06/27/22 4:09:13 PM
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If judges were not biased, Republicans and Democrats would not be flipping out everytime the other party got to choose one.
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ButteryMales
06/27/22 4:09:22 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
It would actually be significantly worse if their views weren't open. How can a democracy (or at least democratic institutions) make fair evaluations of people who hide or dance around their beliefs?
Well then it is significantly worse because their views weren't open. Many of them committed perjury during their confirmation hearings.
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SSJPurple
06/27/22 4:27:37 PM
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How am I supposed to believe an openly religious person is going to put those beliefs aside when interpreting the law?

Our constitution mentions a separation of church and state and these people are hardcore Christians.

It legitimately seems like a conflict of interest to me.

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ThePrinceFish
06/27/22 4:31:32 PM
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SSJPurple posted...
Our constitution mentions a separation of church and state
No it doesn't. It says you cannot make "laws respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof". Which only means you cannot have a state church or tell anyone what religion they can or cannot follow. It does not say you have to leave your religious morals behind you when you enter public office.

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SSJPurple
06/27/22 4:35:09 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
No it doesn't. It says you cannot make "laws respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof". Which only means you cannot have a state church or tell anyone what religion they can or cannot follow. It does not say you have to leave your religious morals behind you when you enter public office.

Ok but SCOTUS just did that. Abortion is a ritual in the Satanic religion yet now SCOTUS has made it ok for states to ban our religious practice, is that not unconstitutional?

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/rrr-campaigns

We are recognized as a legitimate religion by the U.S Government so whats the deal?

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Pogo_Marimo
06/27/22 4:37:51 PM
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SSJPurple posted...
Ok but SCOTUS just did that. Abortion is a ritual in the Satanic religion yet now SCOTUS has made it ok for states to ban our religious practice, is that not unconstitutional?
No, because when two constitutional rights contradict each other it's up to the judiciary to arbitrate which right takes precedent over the other if need be.

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ThePrinceFish
06/27/22 4:46:45 PM
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SSJPurple posted...
Ok but SCOTUS just did that. Abortion is a ritual in the Satanic religion yet now SCOTUS has made it ok for states to ban our religious practice, is that not unconstitutional?

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/rrr-campaigns

We are recognized as a legitimate religion by the U.S Government so whats the deal?
Free exercise is not absolute. For example, Mormons said their right to polygamy was protected because of the free establishment clause. SCOTUS said nope, because if that were true, some religion could claim human sacrifice was... well hey look where we are now.

You can believe whatever you want and the government cannot punish you. You cannot do whatever you want and expect to shield yourself with your religion.

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Intro2Logic
06/27/22 4:48:16 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Well then it is significantly worse because their views weren't open. Many of them committed perjury during their confirmation hearings.
You're not wrong. Someone should hold them accountable for that crime.

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ElGatoBravo
06/27/22 5:00:31 PM
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Your country is far-right. Why do you guys act all surprised ?

There is no ''left'' in the United States; the democrats are pro-corporate interest and labelled ''far-left'' the minute they mention that maybe women and minorities should get a minimum of rights and dignity.
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Doom_Art
06/27/22 5:01:27 PM
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Oh god I missed ThePrinceFish shilling for illegitimate judges again

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ThePrinceFish
06/27/22 5:05:04 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Oh god I missed ThePrinceFish shilling for illegitimate judges again
You can call them illegitimate all you want. Doesn't make it so anymore than the other guy's mistaken belief that "our constitution mentions a separation of church and state!"

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ButteryMales
06/27/22 5:06:25 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
No it doesn't. It says you cannot make "laws respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof". Which only means you cannot have a state church or tell anyone what religion they can or cannot follow. It does not say you have to leave your religious morals behind you when you enter public office.
Legislating on your religious morals would be respecting an establishment of religion.
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Doom_Art
06/27/22 5:07:58 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
You can call them illegitimate all you want
I mean they have little respect for the constitution, are part of the same cult, and were mostly appointed by presidents who were elected despite losing the popular vote

Doesn't scream "legitimacy" to me

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Intro2Logic
06/27/22 5:08:36 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Legislating on your religious morals would be respecting an establishment of religion.
How do you separate religious morals from plain old morals? If someone's opposition to murder is because of the ten commandments, should it disqualify them from pushing for a ban on murder?

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ThePrinceFish
06/27/22 5:10:22 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I mean they have little respect for the constitution, are part of the same cult, and were mostly appointed by presidents who were elected despite losing the popular vote

Doesn't scream "legitimacy" to me
And yet they were installed by the processes in place by our founding document and their rulings are binding. It's a shame that you don't view them as legitimate. But also utterly meaningless.

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TheBrainbuster
06/27/22 5:12:32 PM
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Aren't judges supposed to be unbiased?

lmao

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ButteryMales
06/27/22 5:12:49 PM
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metallica846 posted...
Isnt that impossible to prove?
Sometimes. If there's no secular reason for the law it would be unconstitutional and you wouldn't need to prove why the legislature made the law.
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IMNOTRAGED
06/27/22 5:35:59 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Free exercise is not absolute

Sure seems like it is for christians

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ClockworkHare
06/27/22 5:39:16 PM
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All judges are biased. They're human.

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Doom_Art
06/27/22 5:58:03 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yeah the guy who cried that 2020 was rigged and Biden isn't really President is upset that I don't think the current right wing activist faction of the SCOTUS bench is legitimate

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CyricZ
06/27/22 6:06:19 PM
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ClockworkHare posted...
All judges are biased. They're human.


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