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What about someone who is a vegetable

hockeybub89 posted...

But will you stand between if the government tries to judge them instead of God?

Are you saying only God has the authority to judge murder? Or just that you personally are not going to apprehend and try someone for murder?

If it's the former, holy shit yikes. If it's the latter, what a nothing statement

Im not going to do a thing. The Bible makes it clear whats going to happen to you if you practice certain things: Youre going to lose your life in Armageddon.

What you do with that information is up to you. Im not going to stand over you and call you evil or wag my finger or police your freedoms.

And most of you dont believe in God anyway, so thatd be a waste of my time and yours. You made your decision, so go ahead and live your life.

Choco posted...

???

how does science support your stance on this?

Almost all late-term abortions are a medical necessity.

Banning abortions too early is an effective ban since it won't always be apparent early.

And as we can see, exceptions aren't always made for these circumstances. Also, exceptions are completely illogical if a "pro-life" party view abortion as murder. That would be them saying baby murder is okay sometimes.

Choco posted...

you do realize this applies to babies after birth, right?
jfc internet people can't have normal opinions on anything

https://www.science.org/content/article/when-does-your-baby-become-conscious

guess its legal to murder newborns
or we shouldnt treat drunk drivers who kill pregnant women as a double homicide

FinalFight posted...

Im not going to do a thing. The Bible makes it clear whats going to happen to you if you practice certain things: Youre going to lose your life in Armageddon.

What you do with that information is up to you. Im not going to stand over you and call you evil or wag my finger or police your freedoms.

And most of you dont believe in God anyway, so thatd be a waste of my time and yours. You made your decision, so go ahead and live your life.

No. I'm asking your opinion on the government judging someone when it's the job of your rotten God, who made me gay and will eventually murder me because of it.

for the record all choco is saying is that abortion isn't black and white

even accepting abortion you gotta draw the line somewhere
and like he said different countries have different lines for that

So this poll kinda sucks because some people are okay with different types of abortion

Can you guys accept that as a reality? or where am I off?

GATTJT posted...

What am I if I don't like abortion but think it should be legal because women shouldn't have fewer rights than a corpse?

I don't think many people actually "like" abortion.

Doubt it's a good experience for anyone pro-life or not.

hockeybub89 posted...

Almost all late-term abortions are a medical necessity.

And in what way does science say all of them should be legal?

hockeybub89 posted...

Banning abortions too early is an effective ban since it won't always be apparent early.

So?

You're not explaining how science supports your stance.

hockeybub89 posted...

And as we can see, exceptions aren't always made for these circumstances. Also, exceptions are completely illogical if a "pro-life" party view abortion as murder. That would be them saying baby murder is okay sometimes.

I agree with this

armandro posted...

for the record all choco is saying is that abortion isn't black and white

even accepting abortion you gotta draw the line somewhere
and like he said different countries have different lines for that

So this poll kinda sucks because some people are okay with different types of abortion

Can you guys accept that as a reality? or where am I off?

No, you don't really need to draw the line anywhere. "Late-term abortions" are almost always necessary and many times are called "labor."

armandro posted...

for the record all choco is saying is that abortion isn't black and white

yeah but apparently that means i'll get suspended or some shit

armandro posted...

So this poll kinda sucks because some people are okay with different types of abortion

jfc i forgot we were in that shit ass poll topic

hockeybub89 posted...

No. I'm asking your opinion on the government judging someone when it's the job of your rotten God, who made me gay and will eventually murder me because of it.

He didnt make you gay. And he doesnt hate you for being gay. You keep listening to these so called Christians who dont know the Bible at all, but you never listen to us.

When we come to your houses on Saturday mornings you dont answer the door, or you hang up the phone on us. You tear up our literature and throw it in the trash. If you listened for half a second, or opened a magazine we give you, you might get to know the actual God. His predominant quality is love. The very fact that he gives you a choice of whether or not to serve him is evidence of that.

If you wanted to have a legitimate conversation about Jehovah God, Id talk to you. Id answer your questions from the Bible itself, and youd get some very surprising answers. If all you want is to fight and argue, theres no point in continuing our discussion.

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when does consciousness start then according to recent science?

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then what's wrong with banning them?

hockeybub89 posted...

No, you don't really need to draw the line anywhere. "Late-term abortions" are almost always necessary and many times are called "labor."

again, you use the word almost.
so same question as above, what would be wrong with banning non-necessary late-term abortions?
you say the science supports your view, but it supports the opposite view just as much

hockeybub89 posted...

No. I'm asking your opinion on the government judging someone when it's the job of your rotten God, who made me gay and will eventually murder me because of it.

Move somewhere else?

Everyone is anti-abortion, but that is not the same as having a pro life and pro choice stance.

armandro posted...

even accepting abortion you gotta draw the line somewhere

Well if it's born, then it should just be a murder case. There's the line.

FinalFight posted...

He didnt make you gay. And he doesnt hate you for being gay. You keep listening to these so called Christians who dont know the Bible at all, but you never listen to us.

When we come to your houses on Saturday mornings you dont answer the door, or you hang up the phone on us. You tear up our literature and throw it in the trash. If you listened for half a second, or opened a magazine we give you, you might get to know the actual God. His predominant quality is love. The very fact that he gives you a choice of whether or not to serve him is evidence of that.

If you wanted to have a legitimate conversation about Jehovah God, Id talk to you. Id answer your questions from the Bible itself, and youd get some very surprising answers. If all you want is to fight and argue, theres no point in continuing our discussion.

You're right. Not going to have a discussion on how I somehow forgot that I chose to be part of the LGBTQ community. Doesn't seem nice of God to let me get so confused that I mix up choices and nature.

Choco posted...

then what's wrong with banning them?

again, you use the word almost.
so same question as above, what would be wrong with banning non-necessary late-term abortions?
you say the science supports your view, but it supports the opposite view just as much

You can't trust a government with such judgment calls when rights are on the line. Better to accept the 1 in a million than accidentally punish the wrong person.

FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...

Move somewhere else?

And yet fascists are changing laws instead of fucking out of the country themselves.

hockeybub89 posted...

You can't trust a government with such judgment calls when rights are on the line. Better to accept the 1 in a million than accidentally punish the wrong person.

yeah i guess that makes sense

hockeybub89 posted...

You're right. Not going to have a discussion on how I somehow forgot that I chose to be part of the LGBTQ community. Doesn't seem nice of God to let me get so confused that I mix up choices and nature.

I never said it was a choice. And nowhere in the Bible does it say that being gay is a choice.

And youre absolutely right, a loving God wouldnt punish you for something you cant help. He knows you didnt choose to be gay.

Like I said, if you wanna have a real conversation about God, my PMs are open.

Prestoff posted...

Everyone is anti-abortion, but that is not the same as having a pro life and pro choice stance.

Im no more anti-abortion than I am anti-appendectomy. Its a medical procedure, and its none of anyones fucking business.

Where's the option for people who see it as murder but are still okay with it?

Dont care either way as Im a cis white straight male.

SamsungGearS2 posted...

Dont care either way as Im a cis white straight male.

I am too.

Doesnt mean I have to turn a blind eye.

Pro abortion up to ~24-26 weeks since the fetus doesnt develop higher functioning brain activity until then, then anytime after that for medical issues for the baby or mother. Any time at all for rape and incest.

But Im also a guy and its the most free nation ever so do whatever the hell you want, not my business

I'm guessing few people on one side are actually pro-abortion, but I'm also guessing many people on the other are anti-choice.

I support freedom. And unlike most of the people you'll hear campaigning for that, I actually mean it.

FinalFight posted...

Nope. Im a Christian and my only allegiance is to God. He gave us all freewill. And if thats how women choose to exercise theirs, then so be it.

I dont support homosexuality either, but I certainly wont stand between two men who wanna get married.

In other words: do you.

Who's alt is this?

Personally against, but don't see a reason to restrict someone else's choice.

What do you call it if you think that if everybody stopped wasting their time throwing around the same old tired polarising arguments which change nobodies minds, that if they all concentrated that energy instead on improving society in various ways (medical advancements, improving prosecution rates / prevention of rapists, furthering education on contraceptive use and invention of better ones or artificial wombs, improving socioeconomic equality, etc) then the vast majority of abortions could be prevented from ever having to happen in the first place? No forced births, much less killing of what's gonna be a baby. Win / win.

Seriously all this time wasted arguing on the internet is probably the reason we don't have flying cars yet.
(Electric flying cars, obviously)

Im pro-choice.

And I have a question for the abortion is murder crowd.

If you truly believe abortion as murder then surely you believe women seeking an abortion are murderers

If so, how are you ok with someone you believe is a murderer having and raising a baby? Would you let a murderer come out of jail and adopt a kid?

It really makes no sense and its a bad defense for your position. Let people make their own decisions. We dont need big daddy government controlling everything we do.

I'm neutral.

Nobody is pro-abortion.

Barring extreme circumstances, like rape, incest, and endangerment of the mother's life, I am against abortion.

Pro abortion of course

A woman should have the right to decide what she wants to do with her body. And there are cases of rape, incest where a girl is forced in sex and to carry a child that she didnt want to. Its like the offender suffers less than the victim.

I am firmly pro abortion. If the fetus can't survive without extraordinary measures then I believe that it's fine to delete it.

I'm open to some restrictions on abortion though. To find a middle ground. Cases of rape should always allow the termination of the pregnancy if the victim chooses to do so.

I'm also open to narrowing the window for how long into the pregnancy an abortion can be performed. But it needs to be reasonable as plenty of women are pregnant for a few months before they realize it. And no, I don't have an exact time frame in mind. That would need to be it's own discussion.

I'm also ok with limiting how many abortions someone can have. Rape cases not being counted here. Again, no exact numbers in mind. Two, maybe three.

But we should also offer guidance and support for other options. A class on the many options for birth control with the pros and cons of each. So they will be better informed and hopefully not need another abortion. Possibly having sort of service that brings pregnant women together with parents who want to adopt. Maybe having someone already waiting for the child would encourage some women not to abort, instead sharing her gift with the parents who desperately want a child.

TentacleDemon posted...

I am firmly pro abortion. If the fetus can't survive without extraordinary measures then I believe that it's fine to delete the thing.

DELETE DELETE DELETE?

LinkFanatic posted...

DELETE DELETE DELETE?

Fetus deletus.

It helps decrease the population of liberals, so of course I am pro abortion.

Pro-choice is the only correct option.

Pro-lifers are literally monsters.

like i said plenty of times before, if these pro-life people are hell-bent on protecting the fetus under the assumption that its already considered a human life, then surely they wouldnt mind caring, feeding and educating the child until it reaches the adult age. surely they wouldnt have a problem with that...

hockeybub89 posted...

There's a billion different laws because things like religion have convinced people they can pick and choose on human rights. There is nothing logical about nuanced abortion laws. Many of them are not based in science (banning abortion before most women could tell) or based on lies (late-term abortions, widespread abortion as birth control, etc).

They are not rational laws and don't improve the world in any tangible way. As always, tolerance and freedom are the logical and efficient solutions.

There are definitely thresholds that can be used based on medical realities.
e.g. abortions before 23 weeks being unrestricted access, but having stricter criteria beyond that, since 23 weeks is typically the minimum viable age for a preterm newborn to survive in the NICU - albeit usually with serious developmental problems.
23 weeks is kind of a moot point since most hospitals lack the expertise to perform a termination of that gestation, and I've basically never heard of one happening in my country beyond ~20 weeks. Most are like 8-14 weeks.