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g0ldie
06/18/22 4:41:36 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/engadget/status/1537806090666233858

The European Union might not be the only government body setting a common standard for device chargers. The Verge notes US senators Ed Markey, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have sent a letter to Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo calling on her department to develop a "comprehensive strategy" that would lead to a common charging standard. The EU acted in the "public interest" by settling on one port, the senators said, and the US ought to follow suit to reduce the environmental impact of chargers while improving convenience for users.

The politicians' arguments largely mirrored the EU's stance. A charger standard would theoretically reduce e-waste by letting people reuse existing cables and adapters for new devices. It could also help consumers money by sparing them from buying additional chargers, not to mention adding "sanity and certainty" to electronics shopping. This would prevent companies from locking you into proprietary cables that become obsolete, according to the group.

Raimondo hadn't responded to the letter as of this writing. The senators didn't specify USB-C as the standard, although that's likely to be the frontrunner. The EU will require USB-C starting in 2024, and the technology can accommodate everything from smartphones and earbuds through to high-end laptops. It also provides more consistent approaches to fast charging and accessory support.

Critics and some companies have long pushed back on charger standards. Apple most notably claimed a universal charger would hurt innovation by limiting the potential for technical advances, and would allegedly negate e-waste reduction by forcing legions of the company's users to replace their Lightning cables. Brands like Apple might not have much choice but to switch given the EU's move, however, and a US standard would only cement that decision.

As it is, there are rumors Apple will move to USB-C for both its 2023 iPhone lineup and this year's base iPad (all other iPads already use the format). A US charging standard might prevent companies like Apple from reverting to proprietary connectors later on, but the possible new regulation might do little more than enforce the status quo by the time it takes effect.

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UnholyMudcrab
06/18/22 4:42:33 PM
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Call it the Fuck Apple bill

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MattcheteGuy
06/18/22 4:45:14 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Fuck Apple


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Ryangrad
06/18/22 4:45:39 PM
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Good. Good.

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CableZL
06/18/22 4:46:01 PM
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I agree with this. Proprietary charging connectors are annoying in the long run.

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The Popo
06/18/22 4:46:03 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Call it the Fuck


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LightHawKnight
06/18/22 4:47:03 PM
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CableZL posted...
I agree with this. Proprietary charging connectors are annoying in the long run.

Its annoying now.

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gunplagirl
06/18/22 4:47:06 PM
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CableZL posted...
I agree with this. Proprietary charging connectors are annoying in the long run.
This, also extremely wasteful longterm for garbage dumps.

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Lanzol
06/18/22 4:49:33 PM
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I love being able to charge my tws ear buds, phone, and vape pen with one cable

Lol@ apple users
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Irony
06/18/22 4:50:01 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Call it the Fuck Apple bill


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Funkydog
06/18/22 4:51:23 PM
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Get fucked Apple.

Now the EU need to move and force compliance in other ways on these companies. Only way to make them actually do things, as they show no interest in helping the consumer/planet themselves.

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CableZL
06/18/22 4:53:22 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Its annoying now.

Yeah, but I mean the long run as in you get more fragmentation every time a company decides to put out a product with a proprietary charging connector, which forces customers to have to either buy new cables or buy adapters, even between changes in the standard connector.

Phones:
  • iPhone users having to buy new proprietary chargers for certain editions of the iPhone


EVs:
  • Tesla has its own proprietary connector, while pretty much every other manufacturer uses CCS
  • Tesla is also in the early stages of allowing non-Tesla EVs to charge at their supercharger stations, but those car owners must by an adapter to allow the Tesla proprietary connector to plug into their cars. And even then, sometimes the charging port is in a spot where the cable from the supercharger won't reach.

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HornyLevel
06/18/22 4:53:34 PM
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This would be fine for everything but Lightning. Lightning has been around longer than USB-C, so far more waste would be created from the billions of Lightning accessories, while making accessory manufacturers money from Apple users having to switch.

For example, the Lightning Razer Kishi is $100 and would become useless. Can't even use an adapter.

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Solar_Crimson
06/18/22 4:54:14 PM
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Unfortunately, I doubt it will go anywhere with how fucked the US government is.

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NoxObscuras
06/18/22 4:56:06 PM
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Good. It's already been moving in that direction with a lot of devices just using usb-c cables. My phone, headphones and keyboard all use the same charger and that's super convenient.

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CapnMuffin
06/18/22 4:58:54 PM
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Nintendo and Apple seem to be the biggest culprits for me. But at least Apple works in its own ecosystem. Every Nintendo device seems to have its own little thing.
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FL81
06/18/22 5:09:36 PM
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fuck apple

but this legislation seems a bit anti-competitive

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SHRlKE
06/18/22 5:16:14 PM
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HornyLevel posted...
For example, the Lightning Razer Kishi is $100 and would become useless. Can't even use an adapter.

They arent wiping lightning cables off the face of the earth. This is only for new devices.
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TentacleDemon
06/18/22 5:21:10 PM
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My only concern with this is that we would all still be locked into the old micro USB if laws like this had been in place a few years back. The USB-C is superior but it would have taken years for the goverment to actually update the standards that would allow us to move on from the old micro USB.

Stndards are nice but they also make it hard to advance if those standards are actually laws.

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Medussa
06/18/22 5:23:39 PM
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we don't need to limit them to one, but definitely treat them like other pc connectors (or even batteries). set the standards, but let anyone manufacture them.

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FL81
06/18/22 5:26:32 PM
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Medussa posted...
but let anyone manufacture them.
the optimal solution really

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SHRlKE
06/18/22 5:27:54 PM
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TentacleDemon posted...
My only concern with this is that we would all still be locked into the old micro USB if laws like this had been in place a few years back. The USB-C is superior but it would have taken years for the goverment to actually update the standards that would allow us to move on from the old micro USB.

Stndards are nice but they also make it hard to advance if those standards are actually laws.

Its a fair argument but after decades of companies taking the piss I think its fine to give other options a chance.
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NeonOctopus
06/18/22 5:28:51 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Call it the Fuck Apple bill


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mustachedmystic
06/18/22 5:29:14 PM
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I love my iPhone, but I totally support dis.

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Funkydog
06/18/22 5:29:47 PM
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TentacleDemon posted...
My only concern with this is that we would all still be locked into the old micro USB if laws like this had been in place a few years back. The USB-C is superior but it would have taken years for the goverment to actually update the standards that would allow us to move on from the old micro USB.

Stndards are nice but they also make it hard to advance if those standards are actually laws.
Blame shitty companies like Apple. They are the ones that force things like this. It shouldn't be necessary. But it is.

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CableZL
06/18/22 5:35:16 PM
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We can say definitively at this point that a common charger won't happen unless governments force it. We're at almost 15 years of the iPhone using proprietary chargers.

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WaterLink
06/18/22 5:37:44 PM
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Am I the only one that never really cared about this? You get a charger with the device. If it breaks you gotta go get a new one anyway.

Selling the device without the charger (I think Nintendo did this before?) is what's really bullshit

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CRON
06/18/22 5:39:00 PM
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CableZL posted...
We can say definitively at this point that a common charger won't happen unless governments force it. We're at almost 15 years of the iPhone using proprietary chargers.
The iPhone 14 has been heavily rumored to switch to USB-C.

iPads and Macs have used USB-C for years.
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CableZL
06/18/22 5:40:47 PM
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WaterLink posted...
Am I the only one that never really cared about this? You get a charger with the device. If it breaks you gotta go get a new one anyway.

Selling the device without the charger (I think Nintendo did this before?) is what's really bullshit

I have multiple USB-C cables that I can use for multiple devices. If one USB-C cable breaks, I'm not without a way to charge until I order another one.

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Cheater87
06/18/22 5:44:10 PM
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Finally!

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HornyLevel
06/18/22 5:44:22 PM
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SHRlKE posted...
They arent wiping lightning cables off the face of the earth. This is only for new devices.
Yes, but people will upgrade and the assumption is that Lightning would keep going, so people can continue using their accessories with their upgrades.

There's two ecosystems right now, one with 10 years on it, and to disrupt it to force people to buy new accessories is pretty anti-consumer.

Also, like others have said, there's no need for the government to get involved here, especially when most things have already moved to USB-C. And touting e-waste issues, when in a few years, all those Lightning accessories will be forced into the garbage.

Now if Apple decides to go from Lightning to yet another proprietary plug, then we can talk about pushing them towards a standard.

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CableZL
06/18/22 5:44:26 PM
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CRON posted...
The iPhone 14 has been heavily rumored to switch to USB-C.

iPads and Macs have used USB-C for years.
From what I'm reading, the iPhone 14 will still use lightning, but Apple will likely switch to USB-C in 2023 because of the law the EU will be enforcing.

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Jabodie
06/18/22 5:46:01 PM
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Seems good, but a little tricky for when the standard improves. Would a USB-D or w/e need to get approval from the government, then new devices would be legally required to move to the new standard?

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CableZL
06/18/22 5:46:56 PM
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Jabodie posted...
Seems good, but a little tricky for when the standard improves. Would a USB-D or w/e need to get approval from the government, then new devices would be legally required to move to the new standard?

This is the main concern I would have. Governments would likely slow down the move to the next standard.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
06/18/22 7:19:48 PM
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I welcome this wholeheartedly. My Samsung devices (phone, tablet, earbuds, laptop) all use USB-C and so when I travel, I only need one charger. How cool would it be if that same charger could also be used for my wife's iOS devices as well?

Apple has already opened the door to this by equipping the iPad and MacBooks with USB-C. If that charging standard is good enough for those devices, then why not the iPhone?

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CADE FOSTER
06/18/22 7:21:07 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Call it the Fuck Apple bill

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