Current Events > "Race relations are worse now than they've ever been"

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I can't think of a single period in time that I would consider "better" than now in terms of race relations.

I feel like they were pretty bad during the Haitian revolution. Oh and from 1492-1970.

The Sumerians and the Akkadians got along better than we do

I mean sure and they're being too dramatic in saying that.

But they're definitely worse now than 15 years ago for sure.

Obama broke people's brains.

NoMeLx22x posted...

But they're definitely worse now than 15 years ago for sure.

*looks at jokes in comedy from 2007*

I'd have to disagree there, friend.

NoMeLx22x posted...

I mean sure and they're being too dramatic in saying that.

But they're definitely worse now than 15 years ago for sure.

Obama broke people's brains.

Yeah, in fact, I read an article years ago from the months leading up to Obama's election that the KKK and other White Supremacist groups were actually hoping that Obama would win the election, because it would show White people that they've lost power in the country and would be galvanized to fight back.

...Unfortunately, it looks like they were right.

Contemporary?
Yeah sure

UhHunnitKay posted...

I can't think of a single period in time that I would consider "better" than now in terms of race relations.

Early sapiens apparently bred neanderthals extinct, or the other way around, or we just sorta fucked eachother into becoming modern humans.

Maybe as bad as they've been since 2015.

Probably not much worse than that, besides some trump stuff.

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everyone lived with native americans until the trail of tears. they just pulled your (native american) neighbor out of their home, stole their house, and marched them to OK. so fucked.

and we have the guy that did it on our $20.

also the guy that dt had framed in his office from 2016-2020.

Relations fluxuate and we can do is hope it won't culminate into the start of another terrible war. It's sad that modern technology is being use to perpetuate indoctrination and the spread of discrimination and hate even more quickly than before though.

NoMeLx22x posted...

I mean sure and they're being too dramatic in saying that.

But they're definitely worse now than 15 years ago for sure.

I'm not entirely sure of that. I think the big difference between now and 15 years ago is visibility. The internet has really allowed foe instances of racial injustice that almost certainly were happening then to actually be seen.

And while that might make everything look worse than it used to be, that's ultimately a good thing. Visibility is an important first step to correction.

UhHunnitKay posted...

*looks at jokes in comedy from 2007*

I'd have to disagree there, friend.

I too use comedy jokes as a barometer with how racial relations are in this country.

I am very smart.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Yeah, in fact, I read an article years ago from the months leading up to Obama's election that the KKK and other White Supremacist groups were actually hoping that Obama would win the election, because it would show White people that they've lost power in the country and would be galvanized to fight back.

...Unfortunately, it looks like they were right.

sadly it had nothing to do with Obama I think, but with the far left's attempts to make everything about race and re-define racism so it didnt apply to white people (This isnt a joke, people literally try to argue that its impossible to be racist against white people)

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the far left's attempts to make everything about race and re-define racism so it didnt apply to white people (This isnt a joke, people literally try to argue that its impossible to be racist against white people)

You're completely missing the point of that conversation, which is about systemic racism. I don't think we should conflate the 2 things and be more specific in our use of language but it's obvious what the people who say this mean.

No it was definitely Obama. I watched many older '90s Democrats go hardcore into Tea Party, Conspiracy, QA bullshit after he got elected.

I remember the day after the election, ON THE FUCKING RADIO, Walton & Johnson were talking about it and Walton would not say that his president was a black man. The entire bit only works because of racism.

There were plenty of racists around, as well as many many frowny faces in the office from the rich white people I worked with.

Actual race relations, as in between ordinary citizens, appear to be perfectly fine.

The friction seems to be more with institutions and movements, not just regular people on the street.

Patchwork posted...

Actual race relations, as in between ordinary citizens, appear to be perfectly fine.

The friction seems to be more with institutions and movements, not just regular people on the street.

Yeah, well

Y'know

Trickle, trickle

Patchwork posted...

Actual race relations, as in between ordinary citizens, appear to be perfectly fine.

The friction seems to be more with institutions and movements, not just regular people on the street.

I mean one of my friends was called the N word on the street the other day and he's asian. I was pulled over for no reason by the police a few weeks ago and im black.

Its anecdotal sure but when sundown cities still exists and you see the videos of people raging over BLM shit still. Its not just institutions.

DarkRoast posted...

The Sumerians and the Akkadians got along better than we do

That's cause they had a common enemy, Engar-dug.

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You're comparing like 1500s to 1600s. Most people today wouldn't appreciate the 1500s even if they were better than the 1600s.

It's more accurate to say that race relations haven't improved as much as we would have liked.

Patchwork posted...

Actual race relations, as in between ordinary citizens, appear to be perfectly fine.

The friction seems to be more with institutions and movements, not just regular people on the street.

Nah, there's definitely ordinary citizens out there that are very racist or xenophobic. You may not personally encounter it, but it's there.

NoxObscuras posted...

It's more accurate to say that race relations haven't improved as much as we would have liked.

Nah, there's definitely ordinary citizens out there that are very racist or xenophobic. You may not personally encounter it, but it's there.

Im not saying they dont exist. I suppose I shouldve been specific. The amount of racist vitriol, the openness of it, all seems to be much less between ordinary people.

Ill add that this is obviously in my experience. As it is for anyone.

lolife67 posted...

You're completely missing the point of that conversation, which is about systemic racism. I don't think we should conflate the 2 things and be more specific in our use of language but it's obvious what the people who say this mean.

It's a bad argument that falls apart at any scrutiny. Their argument is that racism needs power to be racism. First of all, that's ridiculous, and most people realize that. Second of all, that would imply a white subordinate could not be racist to their black boss because they don't have power over him, and it's only racist if the black boss is racist to the white subordinate. But you can guarantee the people who claim this don't believe it. Most racism incidents do not involve power. I realize they are saying it has to be systemic power, but it just doesn't hold up in day to day life.

Regardless trying to insist that racism against white people is impossible is a horrible message to try to get across if you don't want to alienate white people.

I don't doubt there were racists who were mad when Obama was elected, but I think the left's identity politics have caused way more harm than that.

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So are you someone who believes you can't be racist against a white person?

id have relations with any race

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It's a bad argument that falls apart at any scrutiny. Their argument is that racism needs power to be racism. First of all, that's ridiculous, and most people realize that.

No, it isn't. Again, they're speaking on systemic racism which absolutely needs power to be achieved. You're purposefully misrepresenting what they saying for a "gotcha," instead of addressing the actual point. That's stupid, imo.

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Second of all, that would imply a white subordinate could not be racist to their black boss because they don't have power over him, and it's only racist if the black boss is racist to the white subordinate.

No because that's not systemic racism. A black boss having power over their employee doesn't stem from his/her race.

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I realize they are saying it has to be systemic power, but it just doesn't hold up in day to day life.

So if you realize this, why the pushback. The answer is as you just said. You don't believe systemic racism is an issue, which is demonstrably false.

I think its better...its just that filming and social media have given racism its biggest outlet ever.

"I have to hear about race so now they are bad" (can add this to a WHOLE host of other topics too to be fair)

lolife67 posted...

No because that's not systemic racism. A black boss having power over their employee doesn't stem from his/her race.

The idea is that racism needs a component of power. The systemic racism argument doesn't really hold water in day to day interactions where the power balance isn't represented by just your race. A black boss has power over their employee more than a white employee has power over their boss. If the argument is that racism needs power, then you can't just say it boils down to your race. Most people exhibiting racism don't have any power over the person they're doing it to. On a macro point of view, systemic racism is a thing, in an individual interaction there is not always power.

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And here is our problem. When people are literally insisting that it's impossible to be racist against a whole race, yeah, there's going to be problems with race relations.

lolife67 posted...

No, it isn't. Again, they're speaking on systemic racism which absolutely needs power to be achieved. You're purposefully misrepresenting what they saying for a "gotcha," instead of addressing the actual point. That's stupid, imo.

But they don't say "Systemic racism cannot be against white people" they are saying "Racism cannot be against white people". The difference is, this is one type of racism that doesn't apply to white people in America vs racism doesn't apply to white people in America.

That is my point, I'm not saying systemic racism doesn't exist. just that it's crazy that people are trying to redefine racism to be systemic racism.

NoMeLx22x posted...

I mean sure and they're being too dramatic in saying that.

But they're definitely worse now than 15 years ago for sure.

Obama broke people's brains.

Half true. Obama broke the brain of every dip shit republican. Trump broke the brain of every dipshit liberal.

You must be trolling.

Atralis posted...

You must be trolling.

Me or the TC?

Solid Snake07 posted...

Me or the TC?

The TC. The US enslaved black people for hundreds of years and even after the civil war freed the slaves there was a convulsion in the early 20th century that led to race riots in the north in places that never had slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_of_American_race_relations

I mean shit you could point to the LA riots as being worse in terms of race relations that anything we've had in the past 30 years.

Atralis posted...

The TC. The US enslaved black people for hundreds of years and even after the civil war freed the slaves there was a convulsion in the early 20th century that led to race riots in the north in places that never had slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_of_American_race_relations

I mean shit you could point to the LA riots as being worse in terms of race relations that anything we've had in the past 30 years.

I think his point was people who think the TT is true are dumb and obviously wrong.

I think the internet actually made things worse tbh.

Solid Snake07 posted...

I think his point was people who think the TT is true are dumb and obviously wrong.

Fair enough

Gee, I wonder why

brotrrwinner posted...

Gee, I wonder why

Me too.

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That is my point, I'm not saying systemic racism doesn't exist. just that it's crazy that people are trying to redefine racism to be systemic racism.

the cool thing is that the left determining who can even be racist along racial lines actually pushes people towards racism, so they're actually helping white supremacists when they do this! yay!
lol