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CobraGT 06/10/22 1:10:22 AM #1: |
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/native-american-language-preservation-rcna31396 if the Lakota want their language and traditions, they can buy them --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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candyapplered 06/10/22 1:14:16 AM #2: |
Will the Sioux sue? --- Stay swell and swole my friends of freedom! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 06/10/22 1:16:10 AM #3: |
The most American thing ever. --- To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships. W.E.B. Du Bois ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 06/10/22 1:17:03 AM #4: |
Asking for the actual cost of production for physical copies seems reasonable (though it would be a nice gesture to not do so), but taking profit on top of that or charging for digital copies (which have little or no per-copy costs) is very iffy IMO. --- Ask not what your Trumble can do for you; ask what you can do for your Trumble. http://error1355.com/ce/Trumble.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 06/10/22 1:21:02 AM #5: |
Topic title is misleading. The issue stems from the printing of the text books and the reservation/people involved wanting the tapes back. Nothing to do with copyrighting language or culture. Just because money is involved in it does not inherently make it an evil thing, Meya said in a recent interview with NBC News. Most of the products his organizations make are free, he said, but the cost of printing textbooks has to come from somewhere. Well he's not wrong, they're not going to pay to print themselves. Bit scummy to take advantage of people who didn't understand the work would belong to him though. They probably didn't realize and Meya probably said nothing. There's a bit of irony in it though in that they don't really need him or the org. Taken Alive decided to start testing the limits of the copyrights. Last year he posted some of the consortiums lessons in an online language-learning app. The data belongs to the tribe, he figured, and if the organizations stated purpose is to teach the language, then it should be readily available to Lakota people. But he said soon after posting, he received a copyright infringement notice from the consortium, and the app removed the lessons. To put this into a more easily understandable context and explain why the consortium is in the right -- I'm starting a series on teaching people Old English. To do so, I have to make use of text books I already have. If I were to basically copy/paste parts of the text verbatim, I would struck for copyright infringement. But I can re-arrange it and alter it and avoid it. Sounds as though it was used verbatim by Taken Alive. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PatrickMahomes 06/10/22 1:22:33 AM #6: |
candyapplered posted... Will the Sioux sue?good post --- https://i.imgur.com/cEQy3f4.png / https://i.imgur.com/gWKaLHC.png https://i.imgur.com/u6JR7qX.jpeg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 06/10/22 1:25:39 AM #7: |
That's not how copyright works though. If they created the textbooks, then they inherently have the copyright of those textbooks, but only those textbooks, which are a specific work. It wouldn't give them rights to a language or anything. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 06/10/22 1:26:40 AM #8: |
EmbraceOfDeath posted... That's not how copyright works though. If they created the textbooks, then they inherently have the copyright of those textbooks, but only those textbooks, which are a specific work. It wouldn't give them rights to a language or anything. That's the thing -- they don't. No one can copyright a language. Even Esperanto and Interlingua can't be copyrighted despite being constructed languages. If you read on, they're charging for the tapes/textbooks and copyright striking ones that (from what it sounds like) are using text from the textbooks verbatim. I'm a linguist and language enthusiast and so personally I have great distaste for the situation - I think language learning materials should be free and accessible to all - but they're within their rights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kim_Seong-a 06/10/22 2:19:15 AM #9: |
Sounds like the company is legally in the clear (at least so far as the specific materials are concerned), but it's extremely exploitative to use a group of people for your own monetary benefit and then try to charge them money for the content they helped you create. And then if this is true, he's definitely in the wrong What the council took into consideration wasnt just the organizations dealings with the Standing Rock Sioux; it turned out at least three other tribes had also raised concerns about Meya, saying he broke agreements over how to use recordings, language materials and historical records, or used them without permission. --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CobraGT 06/10/22 12:31:57 PM #10: |
Kim_Seong-a posted... Sounds like the company is legally in the clear (at least so far as the specific materials are concerned), but it's extremely exploitative to use a group of people for your own monetary benefit and then try to charge them money for the content they helped you create. What the council took into consideration wasnt just the organizations dealings with the Standing Rock Sioux; it turned out at least three other tribes had also raised concerns about Meya, saying he broke agreements over how to use recordings, language materials and historical records, or used them without permission. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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