Current Events > Haven't paid much attention to this whole Amber Heard thing. Why were people so

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Confident that she was lying and slandering Depp?

What would be the "other side" of this article?

https://www.readthepresentage.com/p/johnny-depp-amber-heard?s=r

Because MRAs are a cancer and men in general like to see women suffer.

Evidence and amber heards awful awful awful performance as a witness

Because she pooped in a bed

Because her dog stepped on a bee:

https://youtu.be/JdLZ9Nl-PDk

SF_Okami posted...

Evidence and amber heards awful awful awful performance as a witness

Like, a lack of evidence or just bad evidence?

I've tended to be of the opinion that "performance as a witness" is a pretty subjective thing. But I do know many memes were made from her performance.

MistyKnight posted...

Because MRAs are a cancer and men in general like to see women suffer.

r/projection?

emblem boy posted...

Like, a lack of evidence or just bad evidence?

I've tended to be of the opinion that "performance as a witness" is a pretty subjective thing. But I do know many memes were made from her performance.

Lack of evidence, bad evidence, fabricated evidence, weak evidence, irrelevant evidence, basically all forms of poor evidence were tried by her team at some point.

emblem boy posted...

Like, a lack of evidence or just bad evidence?

I've tended to be of the opinion that "performance as a witness" is a pretty subjective thing. But I do know many memes were made from her performance.

Most of the evidence she presented was very obtuse and fragile. Some of it even had me thinking whether it was real in the first place.

But also when you use the word subjective, you are 100% right. This was a jury trial, the whole thing is subjective. Things such as presentation, trustworthiness, honesty, and clarity all matter because laypeople will be deciding the case. Heards performance was overly-performative because she look straight at the jury EVERY single time she gave a response which seemed so forced and fake. The nail in the coffin was the donation fiasco though. Once that happened, I knew there was no way she was winning. No normal person could side with her after she was forced to admit that.

When the evidence is questionable, the defendant has already been proven to be a liar during the trial (donation), and the defense attorneys are clearly out of their league, its easy to side with the other party.

The dog stepped on a bee speech was epic, I'm confused it didn't win the case for her.

deoxxys posted...

Because her dog stepped on a bee:

https://youtu.be/JdLZ9Nl-PDk

I made it through 15 seconds before cringing out

She's a liar who got caught lying multiple times, and she didn't even write the fucking op-ed about her own abuse. She had someone ghost write it for her lol

my only real take on the whole thing is that domestic violence trials should not be given that much media attention. it's really disturbing to see it being treated like a spectator sport

averagejoel posted...

my only real take on the whole thing is that domestic violence trials should not be given that much media attention. it's really disturbing to see it being treated like a spectator sport

I think technically it was a defamation trial.

averagejoel posted...

my only real take on the whole thing is that domestic violence trials should not be given that much media attention. it's really disturbing to see it being treated like a spectator sport

If it wasn't televised Depp would have lost because the public would still believe he was in the wrong.

SF_Okami posted...

The nail in the coffin was the donation fiasco though. Once that happened, I knew there was no way she was winning. No normal person could side with her after she was forced to admit that.

So this isn't truly accurate?

The greatest and most effective gotcha was her charity donations. After she negotiated her $7 million divorce settlement, Heard announced that she was donating half to the ACLU and the other half to Childrens Hospital of Los Angeles. Over the course of the trial, Depps lawyers revealed that the charities hadnt received the full amounts and that Heard had lied about giving the money away.

As with all of these gotchas, it looks bad until you show the tiniest shred of human interest in discovering the facts. While its true that Heard hasnt donated the full amount, all evidence indicates that she intends to. In 2016, after her divorce was finalized, she entered into an agreement with the ACLU to give them the full $3.5 million over 10 years. She made the first payment but delayed the rest because Depp started trying to sue her into oblivion (she says shes spent $6 million on her legal defense so far; who knows how much more it will cost to appeal to Virginia's verdict).

Large charity donations are routinely spread out over longer periods and representatives from the ACLU testified that Heard was transparent with them about her financial circumstances and remains committed to completing her payments. The proven lie here amounts to a relatively minor misstatement: She said I donated when she should have said, I pledged.

Could she have been more precise? Sure. But a minor misstatement or, at worst, a slight exaggeration of her generosity doesnt demonstrate that shes capable of the kind of sociopathic calculation necessary to fake abuse claims, lie under oath, and convince nearly a dozen people to commit perjury.

Some people really think women are incapable of lying or being in the wrong ever

She really, really seems untrustworthy and fake. Then again, Johnny kinda does too. Actors are weird

Many details of her story that either don't add up or were directly contradicted by witness accounts. Her few pieces of "evidence" not even being close to representing the severity of the abuse she claims to have endured (and could have easily been staged with makeup). Literally admitting to abuse on a recording, with every recorded incident showing her consistently as the aggressor. Got caught lying multiple times during her testimony. Reputable character witnesses painting her in a negative light....

None of us will ever know for sure, but we definitely have enough to go off of

I'll have to find some other articles to read, but I guess these things weren't as clear cut as this story is making it out to be?

Photos: Heards injuries and the damage Depp caused to their homes are well-documented. Heard took photos of herself in the later stages of the relationship and her injuries appeared in at least one red-carpet picture. The LA Times report from the day she filed her restraining order notes that she arrived at the courthouse with visible bruises.

Contemporaneous communications: Both Heards and Depps texts from their relationship confirm her basic outline of events. From the earliest incident of violence, Heard told friends and family about his jealousy, his attacks, and his denials. The UK trial includes a text from Depps assistant after the private-jet blowup saying, when I told him he hit you, he cried.

Both trials have featured numerous texts in which Depp admits to becoming a different person when drunk or high. My illness somehow crept up and grabbed me, he said in a message to Heard. I of course pounded and displayed ugly colors to Amber on a recent journey, says a message to a friend. His sister texted Depp to say, Stop drinking. Stop coke. Stop pills.

Witnesses: Numerous people describe seeing Heard with bruises, cuts and missing chunks of hair. Depps staffers testify to the damage he caused to their homes and hotel rooms. Heards acting coach says she had to schedule a longer session with Heard to help her work through the trauma of the relationship; a makeup artist says she helped cover bruises.

The final alleged abuse incident, in which Depp threw his phone at Heard, was witnessed in full by her friend on the other end of the call. Two more friends testified that they saw him acting aggressively toward her on one occasion and her sister confirmed another (she also testified in the US trial that Depp once held her dog out of the window of a moving car when he was drinking).

Tapes: Numerous audio recordings include tacit or explicit acknowledgments by Depp that he exploded in anger at Heard as well as some of those explosions themselves. In one she says, I cry in my bedroom after I dumped you a week prior after you beat the shit out of me, and Depp replies, I made a huge mistake. I wont do it again. In another Heard says, put your cigarettes out on someone else and Depp replies, Shut up, fat ass.

Video: Heard surreptitiously recorded one of Depps outbursts. He doesnt hit her and this isnt one of the incidents presented in the UK trial, but it shows his anger and how it interacts with his alcohol consumption.

deoxxys posted...

Because her dog stepped on a bee:

https://youtu.be/JdLZ9Nl-PDk

Objection hearsay

emblem boy posted...

So this isn't truly accurate?

Dude, she literally argued for ten minutes that the fact that she pledged the money meant that she donated it, as if the words were synonymous. She also had over a year too, before litigation. Like she was literally the worst possible witness and was caught in several other lies like the hallway thing.

This is some weird trolling

emblem boy posted...

So this isn't truly accurate?

Correct, it's not accurate at all

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Correct, it's not accurate at all

Understood, thanks.

itachi15243 posted...

This is some weird trolling

Not trolling. I really am very ignorant of the whole case and I'll admit that the memification of what I was seeing made me defensively think the anger against Heard was being overstated, cause you know, it's the internet. And the author of that article is one I've found generally convincing and accurate in the past. But yeah, I can see how I could sound trollish.

Reading through some other stuff now though.

Aquaman!

Bottom line: Amber Heard is an abuser.

Yeah, the thing with the donation money is that she didn't donate the full amount she was supposed to, then lied multiple times [even under oath] about having already done it (not "in the process" of doing it, but having already done it). Then she argued on the stand about what the definition of "donate" is, claiming that "pledging to donate" is the same thing as having already done so.

Also, of the money she actually had already donated, a good chunk of it wasn't actually hers. She had other people cover her and then sat on the rest.

emblem boy posted...

I'll have to find some other articles to read, but I guess these things weren't as clear cut as this story is making it out to be?

To try and parse each point...

Photos: A lot of her photos were taken to be staged, and the metadata on the photos had been tampered with (either by Amber herself or her team) so their authenticity couldn't be verified. She also claimed there wasn't editing/photoshop done on pictures that were clearly edited. She said she had a "ton" more evidence, but didn't provide any of it, which seemed suspicious, since you'd think she'd want to bring out the big guns if she actually had anything 100% incriminating. They provided photos of damage around one of their houses that Johnny had allegedly caused, but it didn't line up with bodycam footage taken from the officers that had gone there, and made it look like Amber and her friends staged it all after the fact.

Meanwhile, the only concrete pictorial evidence she provided of Johnny was stuff like him sleeping after allegedly blacking out drunk -- no evidence of abuse or anything, just him sleeping.

Communications: Yeah, a lot of Depp's texts are kinda graphic, and he has a drug/alcohol addiction, but that's the worst I can say about it. He once vented to a friend about wanting to burn and rape Amber after what she put him through, and I don't defend that kinda talk, but it's not something he ever seemed to act on, and for the most part a lot of his testimonies claim he actually mellows out while on drugs, not gets aggressive. A lot of this is just he-says-she-says or hearsay.

It does paint Depp in a bad light, though, but it also doesn't sound any different from what I'd imagine any 60yo rockstar-type celebrity with a dirty mouth to say to his friends via text. At this point, it felt more like Heard's team was just trying to discredit Johnny's character since they had no real evidence on him.

Witnesses: Some of Heard's witnesses say they saw some bruising, but I don't think any of them said they actually saw Johnny hit her - as did all of Johnny's witnesses. This made it look like Amber staged the bruises with makeup and whatnot. Esp when they brought up footage of her on a talkshow the night after she claimed Johnny attacked her and left her face a mess, and she looked perfectly fine on the show. Amber's sister mentions Johnny trying to push her down the stairs once, but her story didn't match up with other testimonies of the same event from other people who were there, and they actually brought in one of Johnny's exes who had allegedly been pushed down the stairs by him while dating to confirm that that never happened and that Johnny always treated her respectfully, which kinda burst a hole in the narrative Amber was trying to write.

From Johnny's side, we have bodyguards of his saying they saw Amber throw stuff at Johnny, and a man who owns a vacation spot they went to as a couple discrediting Amber's claims that Johnny was violent there and trashed the room they were in, saying Johnny acted timid around Amber and only one small light fixture had been knocked off their wall -- something that he claims wasn't that rare of a thing anyway.

Tapes: Almost all the tapes have Amber yelling at Johnny and Johnny trying to de-escalate the situation, saying multiple times he didn't want things to get violent and that they needed space so she could settle down. Amber's emotional state in these scenes seem to stem from Johnny repeatedly trying to distance himself from her and not combat their relationship issues whenever she gets worked up, but they ultimately just show that Johnny is more or less a mellow man who doesn't resort to violence -- instead opting to leave volatile situations.

Video: The only tape I can think of, and that showed him acting aggressively, was when Amber secretly recorded him slamming cabinets and, upon discovering she was recording him, trying to wrest the camera away from her. According to TMZ, this video had been edited by Amber, though. And I think this was the week his mother died, iirc, so he was pretty upset in general.

Overall, all the evidence just pointed to Depp being a druggie who has some issues, but not an abuser.