Current Events > What were the devs thinking when they came up with level scaling in FF8

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A completely dumb idea, and it lends itself ways for you to just completely break the game by abusing the card and junction systems while staying low-leveled. Just a weird strategy for them coming off of FF7.

Another thing, this music is amazing. Just very chill. The garden, the world map, even the battle theme are all very pleasant.

One last thing, the remaster has made this game look so much better than when I played it 10 years ago. Just very good-looking. Can't wait to play FF9 remaster after this one if it's gonna look even better.

moguri mod blows the vanilla ff9 remaster out of the water

I started FF8 for the first time recently. Could not get into it. >_> Last thing I did was that fire cavern trial (which I think is fucking odd you get penalized for finishing too fast) in the very beginning and then being able to do random encounters.

Kaiganeer posted...

moguri mod blows the vanilla ff9 remaster out of the water

what is that

Kaiganeer posted...

moguri mod blows the vanilla ff9 remaster out of the water

Is the project finished? I haven't checked in on that in a year or two.

Yeah the enemies level with you and junction system was dumb as fuck. They wanted to be different from the traditional JRPG I guess.

The idea is to prevent grinding, because if you level up, the enemies do too, so you have less incentive to grind. It's also meant to force you to rely on the Junction System, since traditional grinding gives you less power than junctions. Of course the whole thing is exploitable and it's easy to break the game, but I am sympathetic to the philosophy behind it, even if the execution was off.

TheOnionKnight posted...

The idea is to prevent grinding

Dunno why, though. FF games were always easy and just playing normally would be usually enough to finish most of the game. Most of the time you grind it's to level up materia, limit breaks, learn magic from espers and things like that.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

what is that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMcim5KEi8

TheOnionKnight posted...

The idea is to prevent grinding, because if you level up, the enemies do too, so you have less incentive to grind. It's also meant to force you to rely on the Junction System, since traditional grinding gives you less power than junctions. Of course the whole thing is exploitable and it's easy to break the game, but I am sympathetic to the philosophy behind it, even if the execution was off.

i totally get this, i just don't agree with it. maybe i'm just a traditionalist when it comes to jrpgs and grinding as a whole. i mean hey i did beat this game by grinding before but it was a pain in the ass so idk

Legato-and-Vash posted...

I started FF8 for the first time recently. Could not get into it. >_> Last thing I did was that fire cavern trial (which I think is fucking odd you get penalized for finishing too fast) in the very beginning and then being able to do random encounters.

You missed the point.

The Garden dude asks you to set your own time limit. One of the things being tested is your own assessment of your abilities.

It is important to know yourself.

Kaiganeer posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMcim5KEi8

well shit, i already have the game on ps4 but now i'm debating on buying the steam version so i can use this mod

Legato-and-Vash posted...

I started FF8 for the first time recently. Could not get into it. >_> Last thing I did was that fire cavern trial (which I think is fucking odd you get penalized for finishing too fast) in the very beginning and then being able to do random encounters.

It's been a very long time since i played it.
Can you please elaborate on the "penalized for finishing too fast" part?

it ended up diverting into other grinds, but at least the card game grind was fun.

Kaiganeer posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMcim5KEi8

It seems to extend the screen on alot of places.
Did the regular remaster shrink it and the restored it or what's going on here?

Ilishe posted...

You missed the point.

The Garden dude asks you to set your own time limit. One of the things being tested is your own assessment of your abilities.

It is important to know yourself.

It's still incredibly stupid as you don't know how long it will take on a first playthrough. You're being tested on something you have no way of knowing

ROBANN_88 posted...

It's been a very long time since i played it.
Can you please elaborate on the "penalized for finishing too fast" part?

Your SeeD Rank score would be hurt if you beat Ifrit too fast.

Think to get the best score you had to beat Ifrit with around 30 seconds left or something.

Strider102 posted...

Your SeeD Rank score would be hurt if you beat Ifrit too fast.

Think to get the best score you had to beat Ifrit with around 30 seconds left or something.

to get the best score you can beat him and just leave it on the naming screen until 0.00-0.03 seconds and then continue

It would've honestly probably been better if you couldn't level up at all. You're just set at a base level that stays the same forever. Then you'd have to focus totally on the Junction System. But that would've likely broken too far away from the franchise formula.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

to get the best score you can beat him and just leave it on the naming screen until 0.00-0.03 seconds and then continue

I think you can wait as long as you want at the naming screen. As by that point the game can no longer give you a game over.

Strider102 posted...

Your SeeD Rank score would be hurt if you beat Ifrit too fast.

Think to get the best score you had to beat Ifrit with around 30 seconds left or something.

There's a trick where if you leave the exp screen up time will still count down.

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