Current Events > batman is the most unrealiable and least human super hero

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at least amongst mainstream heroes

dude is a ultra privileged and wealth dude who hit the genetic jack pot

and he has so many skills that he is nor remotely human

Superman is literally not human

All he needs is time to plan

Shishiwakamaru posted...

Superman is literally not human

and he works as a reported grew up on a farm and lives a modest life

he is a immigrant who struggles between his heritage and his adoptive home and finding the balance between the 2 cultures

AceMos posted...

at least amongst mainstream heroes

dude is a ultra privileged and wealth dude who hit the genetic jack pot

and he has so many skills that he is nor remotely human

Oh yeah, we all know people who are born with abs, biceps, and toned arm-muscles without training.

What a silly gripe to make a topic about.

Peak human in comics would be superhuman in our world. I wish we could train to be like that

Black Panther

So is TC joking or smoking crack?

Wonder Woman is my favorite DC character, so i generally let the Batman and Superman fans duke it out with themselves and leave it alone.

In some depictions kinda. In others no.

Tbh I think he's generally more relatable than the ultra intelligent super rich inventors and scientists. Batman's main story plots tend to at least be more street level.

AceMos posted...

and he works as a reported grew up on a farm and lives a modest life

he is a immigrant who struggles between his heritage and his adoptive home and finding the balance between the 2 cultures

That was one of the better likes in the DC movies. When batman said superman was the most human out of all of them.

Superman could do whatever the fuck he wants but he chooses to live a regular human life when not being superman and typically acts more like a regular person when just living his life as Clark. And he's not acting it's how he is. Bruce Wayne when being Bruce Wayne is acting. Batman is his real self.

Punished_Blinx posted...

In some depictions kinda. In others no.

Tbh I think he's generally more relatable than the ultra intelligent super rich inventors and scientists. Batman's main story plots tend to at least be more street level.

batman has built suits that let him fight universe crushing gods same as iron man has

your gripe with iron man also applies to batman

but he is not just a super genius he is also a uber awesome martial artist top 10 in the world

also a great detective

oh and a master planner

oh and super strong and super fast

a great escape artist

is a expert in every field of science

has a linage of greatness that goes back to the dawn of humanity

and im talking about one version here the main line comics version

AceMos posted...

batman has built suits that let him fight universe crushing gods same as iron man has

your gripe with iron man also applies to batman

but he is not just a super genius he is also a uber awesome martial artist top 10 in the world

also a great detective

oh and a master planner

oh and super strong and super fast

a great escape artist

is a expert in every field of science

has a linage of greatness that goes back to the dawn of humanity

and im talking about one version here the main line comics version

That's why I said in some depictions. I like the grounded Batman stories better than the crossover Justice League level stuff.

The mainline comics tend to have issues like this for every popular superhero since they've been around for so long.

Batman is justice

Justice is an ideal

Not human

He is also the night

The night is a concept of space/time

Batman is basically a multiversal god

WingsOfGood posted...

Batman is justice

Justice is an ideal

Not human

He is also the night

The night is a concept of space/time

Batman is basically a multiversal god

You forgot that he is also vengeance.

Punished_Blinx posted...

That's why I said in some depictions. I like the grounded Batman stories better than the crossover Justice League level stuff.

The mainline comics tend to have issues like this for every popular superhero since they've been around for so long.

even if you just go by his stuff in gotham

he is a expert martial artists

a super genius

has a family linage that goes back to the dawn of history (see dark nights metal and allt hings connected to that story)

super strong and fast

expert in every science and great detective

even when you just limit him to gotham he is so far beyond a normal human who lives a life of privilege

here is the thing if bruce was not rich he would never have been able to become batman

in other words if he was a regular person he would just be another kid who lost their parents in gotham

Tenlaar posted...

You forgot that he is also vengeance.

Wow he op

AceMos posted...

even if you just go by his stuff in gotham

he is a expert martial artists

a super genius

has a family linage that goes back to the dawn of history (see dark nights metal and allt hings connected to that story)

super strong and fast

expert in every science and great detective

even when you just limit him to gotham he is so far beyond a normal human who lives a life of privilege

here is the thing if bruce was not rich he would never have been able to become batman

in other words if he was a regular person he would just be another kid who lost their parents in gotham

Yeah mainline comics are stupid with this stuff.

Even with relatable everyman Spider-man you've got a guy who is also a super genius with parents who were actually secret agents. Then it turns out his fate was to always be Spider-man due to Spider-totems and all sorts of other ways they've developed his abilities since then.

Overall I prefer adaptations that choose to scale that sort of stuff back. Mainline comics get too bloated and often tend to go in similar directions like that when the characters get popular.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Even with relatable everyman Spider-man you've got a guy who is also a super genius with parents who were actually secret agents. Then it turns out his fate was to always be Spider-man due to Spider-totems and all sorts of other ways they've developed his abilities since then.

uhg i hate what marvel has done to spiderman

i could get past this stuff if they would just let him grow up but no they refuse to let him grow up

he is a 30 year old with mommy issues who wants to live in his aunts basement forever

Him being peak human is ridiculous.

It's not possible for an ordinary human to have olympic level strength, speed and endurance all rolled into one body even if you have the best genetics to ever exist.

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What about that is unrelatable?

Guess you just outted yourself

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I got one tiny little nitpick. If batman patrolled Gotham full time it wouldn't have it's reputation for being a criminal cesspool.

I'll reference kingdom come where hes semi retired but has a bunch of bat bots doing his work for him while he just monitors. City becomes the most crime free city because he is now able to do it 24/7.

Yeah the bots allow him to be in multiple places at once. But just as regular batman if he was on duty as much as he possibly could be I'd feel the city would still fall into regular city levels of crime outside the big names like joker riddler etc. I say that cause his thing was fear. The criminals feared him but as it is he doesn't stop/solve everything by a long shot.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I got one tiny little nitpick. If batman patrolled Gotham full time it wouldn't have it's reputation for being a criminal cesspool.

welcome to the big thing that ruins comics status que is god

bruce flat out has done everything that in RL would reduce crime

created jobs helped the homeless give tons of his infinite money to charities he personally makes sure are legit ect

but it never matters

hell comics have revealed that gotham is built on evil and its just corrupted by nature and can never ever be anything but corrupt

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I got one tiny little nitpick. If batman patrolled Gotham full time it wouldn't have it's reputation for being a criminal cesspool.

I'll reference kingdom come where hes semi retired but has a bunch of bat bots doing his work for him while he just monitors. City becomes the most crime free city because he is now able to do it 24/7.

Yeah the bots allow him to be in multiple places at once. But just as regular batman if he was on duty as much as he possibly could be I'd feel the city would still fall into regular city levels of crime outside the big names like joker riddler etc. I say that cause his thing was fear. The criminals feared him but as it is he doesn't stop/solve everything by a long shot.

Well yeah, that's the irony of Batman: for all his fancy skills and gadgets, he's basically cosplaying a cop.
And cops can only treat the symptoms of an ailing society, and that's being generous and supposing that they aren't a part of the problem they very much are IRL . But then, even Bruce Wayne with all his money could never heal Gotham either. Not alone. It's why I like TAS and Batman Beyond.

maybe Ras al Ghul could heal Gotham

ElatedVenusaur posted...

It's why I like TAS and Batman Beyond.

the DCAU in general fixes alot of the issues from comics

but yes with batman we do see things improving in gotham

it only goes to shit again do to bruce driving away every one he cares about

a mistake we know terry wont repeat

my head canon for how DCAU bruce will die is he lives just long enough for terry and dana to have their first kid

he then quitly passes away a smile on his face knwoing gotham will always have a protector in the night under a full moons light we then see the shadow of abat cast over him and take flight

AceMos posted...

uhg i hate what marvel has done to spiderman

i could get past this stuff if they would just let him grow up but no they refuse to let him grow up

he is a 30 year old with mommy issues who wants to live in his aunts basement forever

The good thing about both Spidey and Bats is that they're flexible enough for modern adaptations. Which is generally what people are basing their opinions on over the characters.

Tbh the mainline comics are overall pretty irrelevant to how people view either character.

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He doesn't patrol Gotham every night. If he's helping the justice league on some major mission he's not in Gotham that night. Hell that's probably why criminals are so scared of him. If it's a given he could be lurking around any corner they'd probably just not do it. But he goes periods where he's not there. Ok week has gone by and no batman sightings (cause he was busy elsewhere) plenty of crime has happened. Let's rob a bank. Boom batman shows up.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

He doesn't patrol Gotham every night

he does most nights thoe

hell he once had BRAIN SURGERY done and went out as batman just a couple nights later (hush)

AceMos posted...

he does most nights thoe

hell he once had BRAIN SURGERY done and went out as batman just a couple nights later (hush)

Ok I knew a guy who had brain surgery and was back in school very soon.

My point is he isnt running his company patrolling gotham. And going on justice league missions all in the same day. Not regularly anyways.

Patrolling Gotham. Would seem to be what he does when he's got nothing better going on which is most nights granted. But something else comes up he's not there.

Tenlaar posted...

You forgot that he is also vengeance.

No, vengeance is a very human quality.

You know, this topic actually got me thinking. Was Batman always some sort of perfect human specimen? Strong enough to take on superhumans, possibly 2nd smartest man on Earth, and can do every conceivable human task?

Or did he start out as just a very very good detective and crime fighter, until he was revamped into some kind of implausible power fantasy for readers?

Tenaku posted...

possibly 2nd smartest man on Earth

3rd

Tenaku posted...

Or did he start out as just a very very good detective and crime fighter, until he was revamped into some kind of implausible power fantasy for readers?

mostly this

Tenaku posted...

You know, this topic actually got me thinking. Was Batman always some sort of perfect human specimen? Strong enough to take on superhumans, possibly 2nd smartest man on Earth, and can do every conceivable human task?

Or did he start out as just a very very good detective and crime fighter, until he was revamped into some kind of implausible power fantasy for readers?

In the old golden age stories in the late 30s and early 40s, he's more grounded. He started out way more realistic

Tenaku posted...

You know, this topic actually got me thinking. Was Batman always some sort of perfect human specimen? Strong enough to take on superhumans, possibly 2nd smartest man on Earth, and can do every conceivable human task?

Or did he start out as just a very very good detective and crime fighter, until he was revamped into some kind of implausible power fantasy for readers?

It's a hard question to answer I think?

Like even when we think of Adam West era Batman he always had a tool in his belt that solved his current dilemma. But he's not exactly fighting cosmic beings on other planets (although I can't tell you when that started happening in the comics).

I think Batman has been around long enough and adapted enough where he goes across the entire scale of capability. I don't think the golden age of comics was really interested in depicting realism either. If anything that came later with the graphic novels I'd say.

Baha05 posted...

So is TC joking or smoking crack?

why not both?

AceMos posted...

3rd

I think Mr. Terrific takes the 3rd place. And while I haven't confirmed it yet, I'm currently assuming Lex Luthor is 1st and I can't think of anyone else for 2nd but Batman.

mostly this

Zikten posted...

In the old golden age stories in the late 30s and early 40s, he's more grounded. He started out way more realistic

Yeah, I figured that's the most likely.

Tenaku posted...

I think Mr. Terrific takes the 3rd place. And while I haven't confirmed it yet, I'm currently assuming Lex Luthor is 1st and I can't think of anyone else for 2nd but Batman.

terrific is 2nd

Ratchetrockon posted...

Peak human in comics would be superhuman in our world. I wish we could train to be like that

This is something most people don't realize.

AceMos posted...

and he works as a reported grew up on a farm and lives a modest life

he is a immigrant who struggles between his heritage and his adoptive home and finding the balance between the 2 cultures

Somehow he appears white

bmp

AceMos posted...

terrific is 2nd

Wikipedia said Terrific is 3rd.

Well whatever. Batman is still too contrivedly intelligent.

No mention of Iron Man in this topic yet? Rich privileged bitch who literally created a hero monitoring database for Hydra, imprisoned his fellow heroes, and made Ultron...like, fuck that dude

sometimes we relate with someone who we want to be, instead of who we are. In a sense, that's what having a hero is all about.

One thing i agree with is Batman is too perfect to ever get a movie like joker got.

AsucaHayashi posted...

One thing i agree with is Batman is too perfect to ever get a movie like joker got.

I feel they should do a batman year one movie where he's far from perfect