Current Events > The many red flags of the Texas shooter.

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While I don't condone giving these pieces of shit the attention they want, this video brings up a lot of points I want to talk about.

https://youtu.be/x98h_BmY8-M

-Self harmed because he "liked the way it looked."
-Constantly fought and threatened the lives of students.
-Bought the guns legally days before the shootings.
-Left a trail of social media posts, referencing guns, shootings, and showing animal abuse.
-Family had no idea weapons were in the house.
-Shooter had no driver's licence, implying someone took him to and from the store he purchased the weapons from.

So, he had no criminal background, but had a clear history of violence. He couldn't legally drive, but had someone drive him to buy the guns, and then took a car to drive to the school which apparently had a sophisticated lockdown system in place.

Not mentioned in the video but from another source I read, all the murders happened in one room, implying he either targeted that room specifically, or wasn't able to reach any other part of the school.

It's disgusting that all the signs were there, and no one did anything, or just brushed him off as a bad kid. Billions of dollars go into so many stupid things in this country, but we can't create or bolster a program that monitors, and responds to these obvious time bombs.

Malcrasternus posted...

-Bought the guns legally days before the shootings.

So here's one instance where actual gun control could have prevented this

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So here's one instance where actual gun control could have prevented this

Gonna make me sound dumb but how?
Remember I'm not from America

I didnt watch the video yet, but minor nitpick: I dont think the lack of a license necessarily means he didnt drive (its possible he didnt, of course, just saying). People drive without a license all the time and hes obviously not beholden to the law.

He bought two guns at the minimum legal age to buy them, without having to provide ID? I realize he could have had a valid ID, just not a driver's license, just asking.

RealityDose posted...

Gonna make me sound dumb but how?
Remember I'm not from America

He was able to purchase these guns legally despite a violent history and numerous red flags.

Proper regulation would have resulted in a denied sale and would have made it much harder for him to get ahold of a weapon.

bluezero posted...

He bought two guns at the minimum legal age to buy them, without having to provide ID? I realize he could have had a valid ID, just not a driver's license, just asking.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

He was able to purchase these guns legally despite a violent history and numerous red flags.

Proper regulation would have resulted in a denied sale and would have made it much harder for him to get ahold of a weapon.

Oh now I get it

I was under the impression Texas had a background check at least

RealityDose posted...

I was under the impression Texas had a background check at least

if you're never diagnosed as crazy, it's not in the background check.

RealityDose posted...

Oh now I get it

I was under the impression Texas had a background check at least

I live in Texas and it's stupid easy to get a gun down here.

Questionmarktarius posted...

if you're never diagnosed as crazy, it's not in the background check.

Which is why more extensive control needs to exist

RealityDose posted...

Oh now I get it

I was under the impression Texas had a background check at least

Background checks don't pick up "this guy fights in school" unless the fights are so violent they get picked up by law enforcement. A background check would not have flagged this guy if he hasn't had any actual legal issues.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Background checks don't pick up "this guy fights in school" unless the fights are so violent they get picked up by law enforcement.

Does juvie shit even show up?

Also cyberstalked a girl on Instagram unless that ended up being a lie

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We were all kids once, or possibly right now.
If you were doing shit your mom didn't know about, it was usually bad.

RealityDose posted...

Oh now I get it

I was under the impression Texas had a background check at least

He had no crinimal or mental background to speak of on record at least. So there's no way gun shops could have known a thing about him.

Sucks but there are monsters out crazy and evil enough to commit attiocitys like this, but not enough so beforehand to have a proper record of it. No matter how you look at it, he was a eventual timebomb.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Background checks don't pick up "this guy fights in school" unless the fights are so violent they get picked up by law enforcement. A background check would not have flagged this guy if he hasn't had any actual legal issues.

Which is why these background checks should be a lot more exhaustive than they currently are. Not just going "well, there doesn't appear to be any legal issues, so good to go!"

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Not just going "well, there doesn't appear to be any legal issues, so good to go!"

How in the hell are background checks going to know anything that isn't public record?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Which is why these background checks should be a lot more exhaustive than they currently are. Not just going "well, there doesn't appear to be any legal issues, so good to go!"

How deep do you want them to be? Should we monitor people 24/7 to see if they ever show signs of aggression? Maybe we should put telescreens everywhere to watch people and check for any wrong think?

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The implication was he didn't have to steal these guns from someone. Admittedly this wasn't a red flag, so much as a talking point I wanted to get discussion on.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Which is why these background checks should be a lot more exhaustive than they currently are. Not just going "well, there doesn't appear to be any legal issues, so good to go!"

What do you think a background check should entail?

Questionmarktarius posted...

How in the hell are background checks going to know anything that isn't public record?

The school would still have a record of any disciplinary actions, which a fight would definitely warrant.

Considering all these details about the shooter are emerging only a day after it happened, it's probably not as difficult as you guys think it is. I mean there are literally red flags on his social media pages.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The school would still have a record of any disciplinary actions, which a fight would definitely warrant.

that was kinda my question too
I mean here we have to get the cops involved to get a gun licence and if they want they can just refuse you for whatever reason.

Like, surely they'd say 'ok profression is... student? Dear School People, give a character witness report' and see 'fights a lot' and then deny it.

RealityDose posted...

Like, surely they'd say 'ok profression is... student? Dear School People, give a character witness report' and see 'fights a lot' and then deny it.

Exactly

RealityDose posted...

that was kinda my question too
I mean here we have to get the cops involved to get a gun licence and if they want they can just refuse you for whatever reason.

Like, surely they'd say 'ok profression is... student? Dear School People, give a character witness report' and see 'fights a lot' and then deny it.

But my freedom. 2nd amendment. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

not having a drivers license is a red flag?

DarthAragorn posted...

But my freedom. 2nd amendment. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

You can say it mockingly all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you do not need a "character witness report" to exercise your second amendment rights. As long as you haven't lost your rights through due process in a legal proceeding, you maintain the right to bear arms.

ThePrinceFish posted...

You can say it mockingly all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you do not need a "character witness report" to exercise your second amendment rights. As long as you haven't lost your rights through due process in a legal proceeding, you maintain the right to bear arms.

Okay cool. And then you end up with situations like this.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Okay cool. And then you end up with situations like this.

And chuds are okay with that. Just the price of freedom!

ThePrinceFish posted...

You can say it mockingly all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you do not need a "character witness report" to exercise your second amendment rights. As long as you haven't lost your rights through due process in a legal proceeding, you maintain the right to bear arms.

Right but the case against someone getting a gun in this situation was because he was known to be violent

Like, your rights aren't being taken away. It's just you don't get to exercise them because you're violent and being given a weapon is bad. You wouldn't give me a bowie knife if I was known to be fighting all the time with other people and constantly threatening the lives of people. Sure, I can own one legally but I don't deserve the right of having one if I'm a risk to offend more often than someone who isn't threatening to stab people.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The school would still have a record of any disciplinary actions, which a fight would definitely warrant.

Considering all these details about the shooter are emerging only a day after it happened, it's probably not as difficult as you guys think it is. I mean there are literally red flags on his social media pages.

I'm all for gun restrictions but I'm not sure if school behavior records following you after you graduate is the best way to go about it. Seems like that could end up pretty bad for a number of reasons.

Cokewave posted...

What do you think a background check should entail?

It needs to include a psychological exam that needs to be updated yearly.

RealityDose posted...

Right but the case against someone getting a gun in this situation was because he was known to be violent

Like, your rights aren't being taken away. It's just you don't get to exercise them because you're violent and being given a weapon is bad. You wouldn't give me a bowie knife if I was known to be fighting all the time with other people and constantly threatening the lives of people. Sure, I can own one legally but I don't deserve the right of having one if I'm a risk to offend more often than someone who isn't threatening to stab people.

The problem is we have large swaths of right-wing chuds in this country that accept "freedom" to be this unconditional thing and ultimate good. What they fail to realize is that there's numerous freedoms that have a negative consequence on others' freedoms. In this case, the "freedom" to legally purchase and own a firearm without exhaustive background checks impacting others' freedom to not be shot to death while attending school.

It's a matter of what a society values more. And we already have our answer looking at how the U.S. handles things.

bluezero posted...

He bought two guns at the minimum legal age to buy them, without having to provide ID? I realize he could have had a valid ID, just not a driver's license, just asking.

That's how Republicans and the NRA want it to be.

Smashingpmkns posted...

I'm all for gun restrictions but I'm not sure if school behavior records following you after you graduate is the best way to go about it. Seems like that could end up pretty bad for a number of reasons.

I mean, if someone is 5-10 years removed from whatever incident would raise a red flag then obviously it shouldn't be a total dealbreaker for obtaining a gun license.

But if recent background history suggests a history of violent behavior, then obviously you should be denied.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, if someone is 5-10 years removed from whatever incident would raise a red flag then obviously it shouldn't be a total dealbreaker for obtaining a gun license.

But if recent background history suggests a history of violent behavior, then obviously you should be denied.

Just speaking out of personal experience but I had a school record for defending myself in a fight my junior year and it was not my fault at all. Also if something like this were public record and implemented in background checks for job interviews (which would absolutely happen) and shit that would be pretty problematic.

I think a psyche evaluation might be better but I don't even know what those entail really. Not sure if that's some sort of shit you can just lie real easily on and get by or what.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So here's one instance where actual gun control could have prevented this

Yes. Specifically gun control laws that Greg Abbott erased from Texas lawbooks in September.

Texas has made it easier to purchase guns in recent months despite the state's playing host to a series of mass shootings in recent memory, including the killing of a combined 30 people in El Paso and Odessa in 2019.

A new state law that came into force on September 1 allowed anyone aged over 21 to carry a handgun in most places without a permit or training. The bill was put forward by Texas Republicans.

Before the change, Texans had to pass a background check, take a safety course, and take a competency test to get a license.

At the time, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said the permit-less carry law was the "biggest and best" gun law of 2021 that "instilled freedom" in Texas.

maybe we should have 90 day waiting periods on all gun purchases, ya know, in case someone flips out.

Flauros posted...

How deep do you want them to be? Should we monitor people 24/7 to see if they ever show signs of aggression? Maybe we should put telescreens everywhere to watch people and check for any wrong think?

If you have nothing to hide, you should have no issues with at least slightly more accountability for one's actions.

Family had no idea weapons were in the house.

Made me wonder how much influence people had on him.

He lived with his grandparents. His grandmother took him to applebees for a birthday meal last week. He Shot his grandmother. He Was quiet around grandfather. His Parents are had a fall out with each other and he was staying with grandparents.

Made me curious to find out more about the parents. His grandmother survived. So her statement and her story about him would help us understand wtf happened to her grandchild.

Now I wonder if the grandmother found out about his arsonal and confronted him. He shot her. In panic, he races out of the house taking truck keys... then the police encounters with him from then on.

This article details 4 commons of mass shooters
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data

1. Majority of shooters experienced Childhood trauma (neglect, violence, etc)

2. Had a crisis point. Triggered responses

3. Sought Validation, studied other shootings

4. Had the means to carry out plans

Fact: Someone right now in America is planning a school shooting.

Read a news source that no one likes here that a resource officer was at the school and engaged him, forcing the guy to drop a backpack that was full of extra mags. Then when the police came he started shooting at them but then got taken out.

Coulda been a lot worse without that officer confronting him first.

went out of his way to keep to himself

he was occasionally rude

Awww. Man. I'm a guy who does that, and I get perceived as rude by a ton of people who don't know me.

I hope no one mistakes me for someone like this psycho.

The store should have run a background check to see that he once got into fights with other students in school. How could they not have done so???

And if there was such a sophisticated lockdown system in place at the school then how was he able to shoot almost 30 kids? Why didnt the lockdown system kick in at the 2nd shooting victim, or the 3rd, or 4th, or 5th, etc. etc. #BanGuns

Heartomaton posted...

Awww. Man. I'm a guy who does that, and I get perceived as rude by a ton of people who don't know me.

I hope no one mistakes me for someone like this psycho.

Do you threaten to kill people, or cut up your face because you like the way it looks?

iPhone_7 posted...

The store should have run a background check to see that he once got into fights with other students in school. How could they not have done so???

And if there was such a sophisticated lockdown system in place at the school then how was he able to shoot almost 30 kids? Why didnt the lockdown system kick in at the 2nd shooting victim, or the 3rd, or 4th, or 5th, etc. etc. #BanGuns

This was all in one classroom that he barricaded himself into.

Malcrasternus posted...

Do you threaten to kill people, or cut up your face because you like the way it looks?

No, but I know damn well that there are people who won't wait long enough to find out that I behave like a relatively normal person and will immediately make the connection in their heads.