Current Events > Do you think transracialism will be more accepting 20 yrs from now?

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fqg8C2DuiQ

I sure hope not

Probably.

Deutschenlied posted...

I sure hope not

would it be okay for minorities to be transracial?

Arcanine2009 posted...

would it be okay for minorities to be transracial?

No.

If you don't support it you are transphobic

No. There IS a concept with that term which applies to someone who was raised entirely among a different ethnic population. For instance, a well off white couple adopts a Chinese daughter but raises her entirely among their white neighborhood and friends and family. Or an extremely well off white woman adopts Sudanese twins then tours around talking about them for good PR. *cough* Angelina Jolie would make for an excellent case study.

Thing is, the kids have basically no say in who raises them or where they're raised.

The Rachel Dolezal kind is fucking made up and itself racist, and also transphobic since they compare their plight to ours when none of them are getting murdered or legally discriminated against. Quite the opposite, their race is still protected regardless. Even moreso if they're white.

So right off the bat we run into a snag with the premise of the video. Korean isn't a race. And his justification for the "transition" is that he spent some time in Korea and fell in love with the culture, but a transition (such as with gender) isn't something that's done just because a person finds they really like something. For the situation in this video, I'd argue that his idea of "transracial" doesn't exist.

The Rachel Dolezal case is a weird one, but given her history (she has accusations of plagiarism and lying about cervical cancer) it throws any of her claims of being "transblack" into doubt.

Maybe? But then, for everything society accepts, there's always something else that they don't accept for which specific demographics suffer for.

I'm not sure how much of a positive it would be if we went in such a direction on this particular topic if you look at it from that perspective.

However, I'm jaded as fuck so take my diatribe with a grain of salt.

Transracialism is stupid imo. (Is that moddable yet)

God, I hope not

Probably

The people saying no are just being racist

Irony posted...

The people saying no are just being racist

Not necessarily. They could also just be highlighting how bigoted the human race inherently is.

I hope so. Just because it doesnt make much sense to me is irrelevant to whether I think people should be respected and accepted in regards to how they identify

Probably.

I mean race has no definition anyway and attitudes about it keep changing.

I had an argument the other day with a boomer who argued that me and Craig Charles can't be black because we're mixed race.

But kids under 15 today wouldn't accept that mixed people can't identify as a race.

I mean look at Kamala Harris. People still keep going "She's black" or "She's Asian" and can't comprehend that she's both.

And if Harris turned around tomorrow and said "I'm black" most people would accept it.

Sure that's different to Carrot Top turning around and claiming he's Asian but the point is attitudes can change.

People who think racial attitudes won't change are ignorant of history.

I think people who say "No it's impossible that in 25 years time 20 year olds will think differently to me." are egotists.

Yes, transracialism will be a thing.

If you go against it, you will be a bigot. It will be the new Ok, boomer that your children will be saying as they roll their eyes at you for calling it stupid. Race is a social construct so youre going to have a difficult time defending your anti position.

If you want to imagine something even more controversial. Wait a few decades when people start arguing that they want to marry their advanced family robot and are demanding full human rights and benefits via your taxes. Fun times ahead, Im sure.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

If you want to imagine something even more controversial. Wait a few decades when people start arguing that they want to marry their advanced family robot and are demanding full human rights and benefits via your taxes.

Not sure about the taxes part, but I'm actually fully supportive of people wanting to marry robots. Not everyone can get along with other humans, nor should they be expected to. If you can't do it, you just can't.

this seems to be a 'murican problem

LinkFanatic posted...

Not sure about the taxes part, but I'm actually fully supportive of people wanting to marry robots. Not everyone can get along with other humans, nor should they be expected to. If you can't do it, you just can't.

Oh, for sure. Im cool with people doing whatever, even those eventual sexbots make sense to me.

I'm talking about people demanding that you respect animated, as in a physical manifestation, forms of AI or similar. And by respect, I mean you and the rest of us being put in the same rights and independence category as something that weve created from non life. For example, if you think people have an issue with the electoral college right now, wait until we start debating these things being able to vote.

I'm a Japanese salaryman in a white man's body. I wish to live among my fellow kinsmen in glorous Nipponland. I enjoy watching anime, sharing a nice bowl of ramen after work with my coworkers at the local ramen stand, going to a relaxing summer firework festival in my yukata, and indulging in some quality JAV pornography. I train with my Katana every day. This superior weapon can cut clean through anything because it is folded over a thousand times with glorous Nippon steel, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

https://youtu.be/AiOB3RNu1f4

Maybe more acceptance for whatever mental illness causes it. I assume it's the same thing or same family of disorders that causes people to think they want to live as animals (in the serious way rather than just the fetish furry way) or amputate themselves. They have something where they feel a massive lack of identity and then some trigger event just causes them to latch onto a particular concept.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I'm talking about people demanding that you respect animated, as in a physical manifestation, forms of AI or similar. And by respect, I mean you and the rest of us being put in the same rights and independence category as something that weve created from non life. For example, if you think people have an issue with the electoral college right now, wait until we start debating these things being able to vote.

Totally with you there. That's sort of what I was getting at with the whole tax thing.

Whut if you was raised in a rough neighborhood by black foster parents doe?

Race, being a social construct, is whatever people make it.

dont really see it as any different than any other trans identity tbh
and i cant really think of any arguments against it that wouldnt also apply to other trans identities

Is sean king the only one that was successful? I mean it seems wrong when you steal an opportunity from a poc.

Irony posted...

Probably

The people saying no are just being racist

Id say its much more racist to think that talking a certain way or liking certain aspects of a culture means that you belong to that race

I can see that happening.

Because some people have a pathological inclination to validate others and the overton window gradually pushes left toward permissiveness.

Its easy to say it is ridiculous now, but some social movements toward acceptance today were disregarded or mocked 20 years ago.

Voted "yes" on the basis of "more".

I don't think it will be generally accepted by any means, but a larger movement with some more supporters does fulfill the condition of being "more accepted". Regardless of how the general population feels about the idea.

YookaLaylee posted...

Id say its much more racist to think that talking a certain way or liking certain aspects of a culture means that you belong to that race

Couldn't the same be said about gender identities?

And there we go, shit that should be modded but won't be

RootinTootinMFR posted...

Couldn't the same be said about gender identities?

Youre born with that. Are you born with a love of a culture? No, its something thats learned

RootinTootinMFR posted...

Couldn't the same be said about gender identities?

Much about gender is socially informed, but the core difference between something like this and being trans is more of a complete disassociation with one's body due to whatever causes gender dysphoria.

Okay wait...

I was just thinking, "what technically defines your race?", like is there a certain genetic threshold that you meet to be classified as one race or another?

After a quick google search I came across a Census document and one of the first lines is:

"The Census Bureau defines race as a persons self-identification with one or more social groups."

(https://www.cosb.us/home/showpublisheddocument/5935/637356700118370000)

So...yea I guess it depends on how you identify, which is up for interpretation I suppose. Assuming their usage of "identify" is more along the lines of, if you have an Asian father and a White mother, you probably identify more with one of their respective heritages more than the other. Not just identify as whatever race you want, but still seems like a statement that is up for lots of interpretation

YookaLaylee posted...

Youre born with that. Are you born with a love of a culture? No, its something thats learned

Big disagree ~ your ancestors (and their culture) has a massive impact on you:
"New finding is clear example in humans of the theory of epigenetic inheritance: the idea that environmental factors [aka culture] can affect the genes of your children"
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

Intro2Logic posted...

Race, being a social construct, is whatever people make it.

Which makes transracialism stupid and prone to falling into stereotypes.

No one raised in a vacuum free of social norms would be "transracial". People would still be LGBT thougu

A lot of white people weren't even white until relatively recently

Nemu posted...

Much about gender is socially informed, but the core difference between something like this and being trans is more of a complete disassociation with one's body due to whatever causes gender dysphoria.

It seems trans activists can't even agree on that at this point. Suggesting that one must feel some kind of disassociation or dysphoria to be trans will have them disparage you as a transmedicalist or "truscum".

knightmarexx posted...

Big disagree ~ your ancestors (and their culture) has a massive impact on you:
"New finding is clear example in humans of the theory of epigenetic inheritance: the idea that environmental factors [aka culture] can affect the genes of your children"
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/21/study-of-holocaust-survivors-finds-trauma-passed-on-to-childrens-genes

It's very doubtful that study has anything to do with inheritance. Much more obvious answers available.