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Ratchetrockon posted...

I feel so bad for her shame on the mc

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from skimming the first few episodes...this guy's spunk makes hero's skills stronger so they keep him locked up to rape him for his compound v jazz?

Designed to look like typical genki lead girl who has will they wont they with the MC the whole series but is actually the worst kind of person imaginable what a TWIST!

krazychao5 posted...

from skimming the first few episodes...this guy's spunk makes hero's skills stronger so they keep him locked up to rape him for his compound v jazz?

Well, it breaks their level cap or something iirc.

Ving_Rhames posted...

Designed to look like typical genki lead girl who has will they wont they with the MC the whole series but is actually the worst kind of person imaginable what a TWIST!

And within 2 episodes she turns into his mind controlled waifu because of healing magic.

It's weird.

Just want to thank TC for bringing this issue to my attention. I'll be reviewing the evidence very closely so I can write a stronglyworded letter to my congressman

holy_bolt posted...

Just want to thank TC for bringing this issue to my attention. I'll be reviewing the evidence very closely so I can write a stronglyworded letter to my congressman

Make sure you include pictures so they too can be offended at this.

I suppose I would have preferred to never learn about this series.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I suppose I would have preferred to never learn about this series.

This is payment for that thing you did at some point probably.

Slayer_22 posted...

This is payment for that thing you did at some point probably.

You must mean the sonic fart inflation porn.

Or the sonic urinal TF porn.

Or the sonic nazi porn.

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Oh. It now occurs to me that you are probably not referring to any of those incidents.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

You must mean the sonic fart inflation porn.

Or the sonic urinal TF porn.

Or the sonic nazi porn.

...

Oh. It now occurs to me that you are probably not referring to any of those incidents.

Shows what you know.

Slayer_22 posted...

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She can hold that ball

Imagine the possibilities!

Slayer_22 posted...

Is it wrong to think a bigot rapist scumbag is kinda hot tho?

Why would something you can't control be wrong by default? Thoughts aren't inherently good or evil.

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She can hold that ball

Imagine the possibilities!

Exactly!

LinkFanatic posted...

Why would something you can't control be wrong by default? Thoughts aren't inherently good or evil.

I mean being a rapist isn't exactly something you can't control bro.

Slayer_22 posted...

Well, it breaks their level cap or something iirc.

Yeah, it's one of several series where the main character has super powered spunk.... One of several....

DuneMan posted...

Yeah, it's one of several series where the main character has super powered spunk.... One of several....

Nice.

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/5/AARI02AADP-3.jpg When you get a piece of hair in your mouth and try pulling it out.

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Slayer_22 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/5/AARI02AADQAl.jpg When it really is finger licking good.

Animal aboose

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Animal aboose

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I've watched 5 episodes at this point and honestly the porn aspects of it are doing very little for me. Its ok. That said, at this point I'm legit watching it for the plot lol. It's a total hack but I've seen so little legitimately dark anime that I'm enjoying it. Reminds me of watching Breaking Bad or something except the protagonist never even pretends he might be a good person lol

holy_bolt posted...

I've watched 5 episodes at this point and honestly the porn aspects of it are doing very little for me. Its ok. That said, at this point I'm legit watching it for the plot lol. It's a total hack but I've seen so little legitimately dark anime that I'm enjoying it. Reminds me of watching Breaking Bad or something except the protagonist never even pretends he might be a good person lol

Seriously. He's a straight scumbag, it's kinda refreshing. The few people he's kind to, it's mostly to use or manipulate them(a select few aren't solely for this purpose, but he still uses and exploits them for personal gain) and sees Freia and Setsuna as straight up property.

For that reason alone, I find myself loving it. Plus the dark humor is kinda great, animation is pretty good, and the violence and gore is pretty neat.

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Slayer_22 posted...

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Don't point that balls to me

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Don't point that balls to me

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I'm up to episode 10. Feels like its kinda hit a lull. Hopefully it will pick back up soon

Holy shit man. I watched the first episode and a half because of this topic, but I just couldn't do it. It was an interesting premise, but a few minutes into the second episode it became really clear that this is just some incel's fantasy about punishing all the girls who ever looked down on him.

Yikes. I think there's a real interesting way to do the premise of starting over to get revenge that doesn't include all the weird rapey stuff in episode 2. It was just too much for me, I had to turn it off.

holy_bolt posted...

I'm up to episode 10. Feels like its kinda hit a lull. Hopefully it will pick back up soon

Last two episodes have a decent amount of action, final episode has a great fight scene.

nexigrams posted...

Holy shit man. I watched the first episode and a half because of this topic, but I just couldn't do it. It was an interesting premise, but a few minutes into the second episode it became really clear that this is just some incel's fantasy about punishing all the girls who ever looked down on him.

Yikes. I think there's a real interesting way to do the premise of starting over to get revenge that doesn't include all the weird rapey stuff in episode 2. It was just too much for me, I had to turn it off.

I mean, that's fair. I think the author went into this more with the idea that the main character is a a complete monster. There's no part in this entire anime where it's shown he's worthy of sympathy. It provides justifications for what he does, he makes the excuse to allow himself to be put through the SAME EXACT TORTURE THAT MENTALLY SCARRED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE, then uses it as an excuse to enact his revenge. The author himself just wanted to write a story that was more 'hardcore' than your usual revenge stories because they're missing something.

Here's an excerpt from an interview with the author: "I deliberately wrote something that I knew would sell well. There is a website called Shousetsuka ni Narou where users upload their novels, and many of the sites most popular entries were stories about revenge. As I saw that they were popular and I also like them, I thought I could write mine. However, these stories were very weak. They keep talking about revenge, but after about two or three chapters the revenge part ends and becomes the story of a broken protagonist with a harem. After reading them, I thought, Im sure I could write something much more intense than that. "

It was less out of malice and spite, and more an attempt to take a popular genre and follow through with something he felt was missing.

"I asked myself, How could I take a story like that to its limit? Can I create a revenge story that doesnt end in some chapters? It sounded complicated, but I wanted to capture my excitement about writing it. Redo Of Healer no Yarinaoshi was born then from the desire to create an extensive history of revenge."

The author has other works that aren't focused around this and are more sensible.

Fun fact, did you know Redo of Healer was ABSURDLY popular among the female demographic compared to many of it's peers?

https://nicchiban.nichegamer.com/redo-of-healer-more-popular-with-women-according-to-creator/

It's actually quite interesting tbh, and I'm unsure entirely why that is the case.

Either way, I do not blame you for not being able to stomach it. The show is quite brutal.

King Jioral could take the demon king alone. Why is he sitting on a throne doing kingly stuff?

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King Jioral could take the demon king alone. Why is he sitting on a throne doing kingly stuff?

Way I saw it, Flare might have withheld info from going to him with plans to use the philosopher's stone for herself(something Keyaru accuses her of).

I was going to say this sounds like the worst anime ever, and it turns out it is.

McMarbles posted...

I was going to say this sounds like the worst anime ever, and it turns out it is.

Can't be the worst ever when the original Ghost Stories(non-dubbed) and Twinkle Twinkle Nora Star too.

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Slayer_22 posted...

ABSURDLY popular among the female demographic compared to many of it's peers

My guess would be that some of it is attributable to the MC being emotionally broken and how even as he gets his revenge it obviously isn't 'healing' him.

That helps distinguish it from the standard naked power fantasy with an MC who gets to humble-brag about how they save the day without even trying and just 'naturally' end up with a harem of ~8 girls who are all like, "Yeah, there's 8 of us, that's cool."

DuneMan posted...

My guess would be that some of it is attributable to the MC being emotionally broken and how even as he gets his revenge it obviously isn't 'healing' him.

That helps distinguish it from the standard naked power fantasy with an MC who gets to humble-brag about how they save the day without even trying and just 'naturally' end up with a harem of ~8 girls who are all like, "Yeah, there's 8 of us, that's cool."

Interesting theory. I saw a tweet say it's because they liked how Keyaru was assertive and dominant.

Slayer_22 posted...

I saw a tweet say it's because they liked how Keyaru was assertive and dominant.

Well, there is certainly the 50 Shades of Gray aspect to the [group] sex scenes.

nexigrams posted...

Holy shit man. I watched the first episode and a half because of this topic, but I just couldn't do it. It was an interesting premise, but a few minutes into the second episode it became really clear that this is just some incel's fantasy about punishing all the girls who ever looked down on him.

Yikes. I think there's a real interesting way to do the premise of starting over to get revenge that doesn't include all the weird rapey stuff in episode 2. It was just too much for me, I had to turn it off.

Eh, other than the scene you quit at its actually pretty tame. Most of the really bad stuff past that is showing exactly how abusive Flare and her Cadre were to the MC. Turns out he was being raped 3 times nightly by Flare and her two besties even after the 6 months of literal hell she put him thru to break him. I actually expected it to be way worse but honestly the only reason this is worse than, say, Goblin Slayer is because the MC is part of the problem

holy_bolt posted...

Eh, other than the scene you quit at its actually pretty tame. Most of the really bad stuff past that is showing exactly how abusive Flare and her Cadre were to the MC. Turns out he was being raped 3 times nightly by Flare and her two besties even after the 6 months of literal hell she put him thru to break him. I actually expected it to be way worse but honestly the only reason this is worse than, say, Goblin Slayer is because the MC is part of the problem

Besides one scene that is implied and not explicitly shown, the show is pretty tame after episode 2.

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Oh, were finally getting into serious discussion of the show? Thats cool.

nexigrams posted...

Holy shit man. I watched the first episode and a half because of this topic, but I just couldn't do it. It was an interesting premise, but a few minutes into the second episode it became really clear that this is just some incel's fantasy about punishing all the girls who ever looked down on him.

Yikes. I think there's a real interesting way to do the premise of starting over to get revenge that doesn't include all the weird rapey stuff in episode 2. It was just too much for me, I had to turn it off.

Shield Hero is the incel fantasy. This is a black vs gray story.

Sure, theres definitely power fantasy vibes typical of the usual isekai series, and theres a lot of contrivances that tailor the MCs revenge to suit him or just make everything RAPE RAPE RAPE KILL, but unlike other shows, it doesnt pretend that MC is a saint. And theres some interesting relationships and developments to be had here.

With Flare, its the hero and woman I admired turned out to be a cruel, evil, heartless bitch. Ill mold her into my ideal woman and yeah, this part sounds like an incel fantasy. But the part after is whats interesting. After I force her to destroy her own kingdom, Ill undo the brainwashing and show her what shes become. Its a revenge best served cold plot. Then he gets second thoughts about undoing the brainwashing when it turns out both of them are happier with her new identity.

The later haremettes have different angles as well. Setsuna is pretty clearly the authors ideal woman, since she ends up being MCs favorite property and shes a perfect little slave that wants his babies (the authors other work eventually has one girl get a wolf-girl transformation, just in case his fetish wasnt clear enough this time around). But the lead-up to why she becomes his slave is more believable than other shows that pretend that women will throw themselves at an MC and be their slaves for nice guy reasons. Looking at you, Shield Hero.

Kureha is probably the weakest member of the harem, and it shows. Her love is one-sided, none of the other girls particularly like her, etc. But hey, variety.

Eve is interesting enough to get her own arc that the anime couldnt even fully cover. What makes their dynamic interesting is that she knows MC is kind of a scumbag (regardless of how horny she gets when she hears them constantly having sex in the next room), but instead of MC doing his usual brainwash/enslavement/etc., he instead wants to live up to her ideals as a hero and be a worthy partner to her, AKA the kind of person he wanted to be before he was mistreated to shit.

And last is Norn. Shes similar to Flares case, but with only her wits to help her instead of hero powers, which is still enough to make her a threat initially. As such, MC cant fully trust her and wants the same brand of cold revenge for her. Late LN spoilers: She eventually gets brainwashed to become a loving little sister, but not enough to overwrite her personality, since her intelligence was deemed too valuable to get rid of. Naturally, this leads to her eventually connecting the dots on who she used to be but like Flare, she realizes shes happier in this new life.

Slayer_22 posted...

I mean, that's fair. I think the author went into this more with the idea that the main character is a a complete monster. There's no part in this entire anime where it's shown he's worthy of sympathy. It provides justifications for what he does, he makes the excuse to allow himself to be put through the SAME EXACT TORTURE THAT MENTALLY SCARRED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE, then uses it as an excuse to enact his revenge. The author himself just wanted to write a story that was more 'hardcore' than your usual revenge stories because they're missing something.

Adding to this, I saw an interesting post by an anon that gives some insight as to why this MC ends up being so intriguing.

The reason why he goes through the same torture in the second timeline? He never actually got over his drug addiction. He weans himself off with an early immunity, yes, but it still did damage to his psyche and you could say that hes instead addicted to the idea of revenge now. And you can argue that the anime does show it pretty well.

As twisted as he is, he makes it a point to not harm anyone who hasnt wronged him yet, but he also puts himself into positions where he would be wronged so that he can be justified in his revenge. You can see this with Blade, Norn, and even the random mobs who attack the restaurant he ate at. Though Kurehas an interesting case where he genuinely wanted to avoid a fight since he admired her pure intentions, but then she attacked Freiya and that gave him leverage to brainwash her.

Its equal parts hilarious and tragic in a black comedy way, especially in Norns case. Befriending a merchant and counting on his death to exact revenge is convenient for him, but MC honestly believes the friendship he gained and lost was genuine.

The last few lines of the anime cement this, with how he realizes hes happy with his harem and he wonders if revenge is still worth it, only for him to cast aside those doubts and keep going on his path to revenge.

Did he really brainwash Kureha? I assumed, at most, he used the aphrodisiac in that one scene but overall he was pretty hands off with her. She's the only one that, after realizing who he was and that he wasn't lying, kinda was all over him.

That being said, I find Flare to be the most interesting of the bunch tbh. For the dynamic you presented perfectly lol.

And Karman's death was legit rough. You can tell Keyaru was pretty much just waiting for some reason to justify his revenge. Sad it had to be Karman, though, that got it. I do love that he has to mentally justify the stuff he does though. It's interesting to say the least lol.

holy_bolt posted...

Eh, other than the scene you quit at its actually pretty tame. Most of the really bad stuff past that is showing exactly how abusive Flare and her Cadre were to the MC. Turns out he was being raped 3 times nightly by Flare and her two besties even after the 6 months of literal hell she put him thru to break him. I actually expected it to be way worse but honestly the only reason this is worse than, say, Goblin Slayer is because the MC is part of the problem

Goblin Slayer doesn't hold a candle to Redo.

Slayer_22 posted...

Did he really brainwash Kureha? I assumed, at most, he used the aphrodisiac in that one scene but overall he was pretty hands off with her. She's the only one that, after realizing who he was and that he wasn't lying, kinda was all over him.

That being said, I find Flare to be the most interesting of the bunch tbh. For the dynamic you presented perfectly lol.

And Karman's death was legit rough. You can tell Keyaru was pretty much just waiting for some reason to justify his revenge. Sad it had to be Karman, though, that got it. I do love that he has to mentally justify the stuff he does though. It's interesting to say the least lol.

More drugged/manipulation than outright brainwashing, I suppose. Not really a step up, but I guess there is a distinction.

Its actually a bit different in the WN and manga. Ill just quote TVTropes for this.

Adaptational Consent: Her consent in her first-time with Keyaru varies between adaptations:

In the web-novel, Kureha offered up her virginity, completely unprompted, to atone for unjustly attacking Keyaru, Flare, and Setsuna, and he accepted.

In the manga, Keyaru fills the room of the inn with a powerful aphrodisiac that he's immune to, taking advantage of her extremely aroused state to have his way with her and manipulate her into being his "property."

The anime is in-between the above two: she initially offered up her virginity, but was unwittingly under the influence of the aphrodisiac Keyaru had set up prior.

I should also add that I went out of my way to read the WN/manga as the anime was airing because I got way more invested in the characters than expected. And theres some neat differences between them.

The most notable to me is that the anime did away with most of the RPG numbers bullshit that plagues so many isekai that try to dumb down their stories with its just like a game, dont think too hard about the implications. In the originals, theres an emphasis on level caps, which heroes dont have, but Setsuna is tragically stuck at a paltry level 7 until she has her morning routines with MC. Heal can also be used to re-spec his stats, which he uses in his fight against Kureha to make himself faster by reducing his magic resistance. You know, in case Heal wasnt already broken in this series as is. But the anime did away with most of that as just generic my sperm makes you stronger, except for his eye thing showing an enemys stats and whatnot.

Another difference is that Karman in the manga was actually someone else entirely, a female baker. She meets the same fate, but obviously its framed a bit differently when he takes his revenge.

Lastly, Norn is substantially more evil in the manga, for some reason. Like Im gonna genocide an entire city for the hell of it evil. The anime toned down most of her villainy enough that she didnt really deserve MCs revenge, which makes the thing with Karman even more jarring, honestly.

blackrider76 posted...

More drugged/manipulation than outright brainwashing, I suppose. Not really a step up, but I guess there is a distinction.

Its actually a bit different in the WN and manga. Ill just quote TVTropes for this.

I should also add that I went out of my way to read the WN/manga as the anime was airing because I got way more invested in the characters than expected. And theres some neat differences between them.

The most notable to me is that the anime did away with most of the RPG numbers bullshit that plagues so many isekai that try to dumb down their stories with its just like a game, dont think too hard about the implications. In the originals, theres an emphasis on level caps, which heroes dont have, but Setsuna is tragically stuck at a paltry level 7 until she has her morning routines with MC. Heal can also be used to re-spec his stats, which he uses in his fight against Kureha to make himself faster by reducing his magic resistance. You know, in case Heal wasnt already broken in this series as is. But the anime did away with most of that as just generic my sperm makes you stronger, except for his eye thing showing an enemys stats and whatnot.

Another difference is that Karman in the manga was actually someone else entirely, a female baker. She meets the same fate, but obviously its framed a bit differently when he takes his revenge.

Lastly, Norn is substantially more evil in the manga, for some reason. Like Im gonna genocide an entire city for the hell of it evil. The anime toned down most of her villainy enough that she didnt really deserve MCs revenge, which makes the thing with Karman even more jarring, honestly.

You know, I actually liked that. The removal of the RPG-esque elements and a replacement of more subtle stuff(like his green eye stuff) is a really cool change. And him fighting Kureha and stopping to respec or whatever would've definitely killed the flow of the battle. I thought it was easily the best fight of the series too.

I think the anime did a REALLY good job of portraying him as an evil fucker in general, definitely wouldn't have wanted to watch beyond episode 1 if there wasn't that going for it tbh. I'm hoping for a season two.

Would you recommend the manga? I wouldn't mind giving it a read tbh.

blackrider76 posted...

Its equal parts hilarious and tragic in a black comedy way, especially in Norns case. Befriending a merchant and counting on his death to exact revenge is convenient for him, but MC honestly believes the friendship he gained and lost was genuine.

Idk, I just got done watching that and he seemed completely content to leave Norn to her antics until Karnan died. Like a true sociopath, it isn't relevant until it affects him directly somehow. Kureya comes across as largely disinterested in anything except the trio who abused him and eventually deciding the Kingdom its self needs to go down. If something intrudes rudely into his line of sight its a target but otherwise he seems to just ignore it

holy_bolt posted...

Idk, I just got done watching that and he seemed completely content to leave Norn to her antics until Karnan died. Like a true sociopath, it isn't relevant until it affects him directly somehow. Kureya comes across as largely disinterested in anything except the trio who abused him and eventually deciding the Kingdom its self needs to go down. If something intrudes rudely into his line of sight its a target but otherwise he seems to just ignore it

I don't explicitly think Keyaru was hoping Karman would die, but I do think he was waiting for SOMETHING to happen. He was hanging around the city while it was being attacked. He was either expecting Karman to be hurt, himself to be attacked, or one of his harem to be attacked. I don't think he explicitly expected Karman's death. But he definitely used his death in order to justify his actions after that.

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