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Blue_Inigo
04/29/22 7:08:25 PM
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Miyazaki went nuts with this one. I'm close to facing her and kinda dread it. She is a boss that asks you to play a very very specific way

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I4NRulez
04/29/22 7:10:18 PM
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Eh, she aint that bad. My INT build she gave me trouble but black knight tiche dicks her. My dex build i thoroughly fucked her up

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/29/22 7:11:09 PM
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Easiest boss in gaming history lol lmao git gud scrub.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
04/29/22 7:11:30 PM
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Making her very weak to blood loss makes it not too bad.

Still not as hard as Umbilical Baby in Bloodborne.

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Mr_Mushroom
04/29/22 7:13:03 PM
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idk, i thought she was manageable. pre-patch radahn was tougher for me to beat.
the only bad part imo is her HP regen when she hits you, but i feel like a bunch of lvl1 runs of previous souls games prepared me for that.

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I4NRulez
04/29/22 7:13:18 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Umbilical Baby in Bloodborne.

The people that claimed Radahn was the hardest souls boss of all time never fought this bad boy lol.

I spent DAYS on the orphan and i ran through that DLC pretty easy

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PowerOats
04/29/22 7:13:30 PM
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What makes this boss different/ more difficult than other souls bosses?
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I4NRulez
04/29/22 7:14:54 PM
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PowerOats posted...
What makes this boss different/ more difficult than other souls bosses?

She has an attack that can take your whole health bar and it heals her. She hits like a tank on other attacks too.

However, she isnt so bad because you can stagger her and stop a lot of her attacks.

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CrimsonAngel
04/29/22 7:15:22 PM
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I watched Iron Pineapple basically poke her to death

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/29/22 7:19:07 PM
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PowerOats posted...
What makes this boss different/ more difficult than other souls bosses?
She heals some when she hits you.

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itachi15243
04/29/22 7:21:16 PM
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There have been harder from software bosses

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Blue_Inigo
04/30/22 3:12:17 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
There have been harder from software bosses
Maybe Darkeater Midir but that's about it

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DarkRoast
04/30/22 3:13:37 PM
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I beat Radahn before the patch and I keep wondering if people are joking or if I glitched it out or something, because he was extremely easy for me.

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lilORANG
04/30/22 3:29:57 PM
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All the dark souls 2 bosses are more difficult by nature of that game controlling like ass.

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TheGoldenEel
04/30/22 3:40:49 PM
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Tbh I dont think shes a well-designed boss

a pretty basic boss with one attack that is super cheap

felt like the only reason I beat her is the ai decided to target my summon more with that bullshit attack on that particular run

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FaultyCircuitry
04/30/22 3:54:33 PM
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She really isn't that bad. Waterfowl Dance can be dealt with either by recognizing it right away and getting the fuck out of range, dodging it (admittedly is fucking stupidly difficult to do), or block through it (with a high enough block shield you can eat most of it, or just use Barricade on an Iron Shield and eat the entire thing.)

She's super susceptible to knockdown and is really weak to bleed and frostbite.

Probably my favorite boss in the game.

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Mr_Mushroom
04/30/22 3:57:33 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
I beat Radahn before the patch and I keep wondering if people are joking or if I glitched it out or something, because he was extremely easy for me.
i didnt know you can ride torrent or resummon npcs after they died when i fought him the first time
he was super easy in all of my other attempts cus i think he's one of the few bosses that doesn't have insane input-tracking

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bsp77
04/30/22 4:10:50 PM
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The topic title is factually false. It is clear from the conversation here that there is no such agreement. I thought she was great and it only took like a dozen tries. There have been harder ones. Overall Elden Ring is easier than all Souls games.

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Dreepapult
04/30/22 4:25:30 PM
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I need to try fighting her again. I gave up before. Got stuck on maliketh and had to give the game a break. Tried a new build and managed to beat him.

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Irony
04/30/22 4:25:58 PM
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I spent longer fighting Radahn

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Gwynevere
04/30/22 4:58:09 PM
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I thought Orphan of Kos, Darkeater Midir, and Sister Friede were harder than Malenia, but I don't think Malenia is a very well designed fight. Being able to heal just from hitting your shield even if you don't take damage is a weird choice, and it's even worse that she'll heal off of dead phantoms until she deaggros from them

The entire end game balance of Elden Ring is a fucking mess

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Mad-Dogg
04/30/22 5:24:59 PM
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bsp77 posted...
The topic title is factually false. It is clear from the conversation here that there is no such agreement. I thought she was great and it only took like a dozen tries. There have been harder ones. Overall Elden Ring is easier than all Souls games.
Its probably because I played demon's souls way later after I already had a lot of experience with from's souls-like games (bloodborne was the first one I played, then dark souls 3, then sekiro, eventually went back and actually tried dark souls 1 and 2, and finally demon's souls on the PS5) but It felt like demon's souls was stupid easy and by far the easiest out of these type of games. *It also could be because the game was originally meant for 4 way rolling and blue point's remaster slapped the more modern omni-directional rolling over the game without them updating the old demon's souls AI to react to greater movement. I guess its similar to how playing with the new analog-stick controls in resident evil 1 remake makes the game easier since the enemies is still reacting to tank controls*

I went into it completely blind with the only tip I got from the start being "pick the item discovery ring to start off" and I promise you I went through damn near every single boss on my first try with barely any effort. The only two that killed me being the dragon god (I didn't get how his fight gimmick worked so I ate about 8 or so of those instant deaths before I understood the jank stealth mechanics for this, lol) and the king allant (sp?) got me once.

When it comes to elden ring I struggled more trying to fight that caelid bell hunter at like level 90 or something and straight up getting deleted compared to malenia, lol.

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DespondentDeity
04/30/22 5:37:13 PM
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Zodd3224
04/30/22 5:38:13 PM
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She's not bad with bleed, but too much for me without it. I don't use ashes or summons.

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Gwynevere
04/30/22 5:43:39 PM
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bsp77 posted...
Overall Elden Ring is easier than all Souls games.
I see this brought up a lot but never an acknowledgement that those of us that have played the entire series before Elden Ring have a bias, because we're just used to these games.

Elden Ring was my friend's first FromSoft game, and I watched him struggle through a lot of the bosses and was stuck on Malenia for days. After that he played Dark Souls 1 and first tried almost every boss, only taking a few tries to get through Ornstein and Enough, Artorias, and Manus. Everything else was pretty much a clean sweep, and the same has mostly been true now that he's on DkS2

I see the same point brought up in the Monster Hunter community, people talking about every game being easier than the last, without considering why something might seem easier once you've played it for 1000+ hours lol

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Irony
04/30/22 5:48:03 PM
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The people that say ER is the easiest are just being trolls or haven't actually played any of the games. From what I usually see it's the same couple of people.

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DarkRoast
04/30/22 6:25:43 PM
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Mr_Mushroom posted...
i didnt know you can ride torrent or resummon npcs after they died when i fought him the first time
he was super easy in all of my other attempts cus i think he's one of the few bosses that doesn't have insane input-tracking

That's what I did. I just kept reviving all the NPCs and let them kill Radahn

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FaultyCircuitry
04/30/22 7:27:12 PM
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Radhan got some stinky breath sprayed on him and died of rot

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NightMarishPie
04/30/22 7:29:16 PM
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She was definitely challenging, but I thought Father Owl and, arguably Orphan, were harder.

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TheGoldenEel
04/30/22 7:34:13 PM
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I definitely didnt struggle with anything in Elden Ring anywhere close to as much as I struggled with like, 3 bosses in Sekiro

but I still think Malenia is bullshit because it definitely felt less like my fault when I died and more just that her one attack (actually two attacks including the one from her second form) is totally cheap

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Gwynevere
04/30/22 8:10:18 PM
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Irony posted...
The people that say ER is the easiest are just being trolls or haven't actually played any of the games. From what I usually see it's the same couple of people.
Or it's been awhile since they went back to the old games

It's incredibly easy to get a big ass shield + the black knight halberd and cheese everything Dark Souls 1 has to offer. There's no variance to the combos of the bosses in Dark Souls, if it's safe to attack after a combo ends, it will consistently be safe with no chance of them adding to it.

Elden Ring also added in mechanics such as bosses reading inputs to react the frame you start to heal, resulting in things that can't be reacted to, which feels really cheap. I remember Fume Knight reacting to healing in DkS2, but it was actually exploitable to get his AI to do what you wanted

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Spiritlittle
04/30/22 8:25:57 PM
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Irony posted...
The people that say ER is the easiest are just being trolls or haven't actually played any of the games. From what I usually see it's the same couple of people.
It's the easiest. By far.

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GrandConjuraton
04/30/22 8:28:30 PM
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Spiritlittle posted...
It's the easiest. By far.
ROFL

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Taharqa_
04/30/22 8:35:59 PM
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She feels like a Sekiro boss that didn't make the cut and was placed in this game. She has a couple of instakill moves and heals with every strike (whether you block it or not). That healing is fucked up because if you don't whittle her health down quickly in the first phase you won't have enough in the tank for the second.

She's susceptible to bleed damage but if you haven't built your character with her in mind then you'll have problems. That's why everyone and their momma (the ones that are already ready for the bs) is seen wielding Rivers of Blood katana. I had a maxed out Mooveil Katana and I needed help to finally beat her.

When I die against most bosses in SoulsBorne games I feel like it's mostly my fault, either I hesitated or got the timing wrong for a counter, etc, with this one it feels cheap. I rank this up with Darkeater Midir as one of the most bs fights in the SoulsBorne games.

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Spiritlittle
04/30/22 8:42:38 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
ROFL
Just the fact the Mimic Tear and Moonveil Katana exist make this game a joke.


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Irony
04/30/22 8:44:29 PM
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Spiritlittle posted...
Just the fact the Mimic Tear and Moonveil Katana exist make this game a joke.
Mimic Tear was nerfed to useless a long time ago and the Moonveil was also nerfed. Try playing after like the 3 day the game came out.

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Spiritlittle
04/30/22 8:45:41 PM
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Irony posted...
Mimic Tear was nerfed to useless a long time ago and the Moonveil was also nerfed. Try playing after like the 3 day the game came out.
I played it last night. Mimic Tear and Moonveil are still S+ tier af

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Irony
04/30/22 8:47:47 PM
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Absolutely not. Mimic tear lost 50% health and 25% damage. They also massively toned the AI down. It's almost completely incapable of surviving the first phase of Malenia. You definitely have not played it.

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TheGoldenEel
04/30/22 8:52:49 PM
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Irony posted...
Absolutely not. Mimic tear lost 50% health and 25% damage. They also massively toned the AI down. It's almost completely incapable of surviving the first phase of Malenia. You definitely have not played it.
Mimic tear is absolutely still OP lol

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Spiritlittle
04/30/22 8:56:22 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Mimic tear is absolutely still OP lol


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Tyranthraxus
04/30/22 9:08:06 PM
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I haven't played Elden Ring yet but I've seen a lot of videos of this fight and it looks like she has an extremely small attack pattern on infinite repeat like she's a flowchart Ken. IDK what the big deal is. Seems like it's just a matter of practicing the timing of her attacks.

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I4NRulez
04/30/22 9:09:51 PM
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Irony posted...
The people that say ER is the easiest are just being trolls or haven't actually played any of the games. From what I usually see it's the same couple of people.

I've played all the souls games and it is easily the most approachable and easiest game they've made.

It's still difficult but its still their "easiest" game. You can start the game and cheese 2 bosses for like 200k souls and overlevel most of the game within an hour. Even without cheesing its still their easiest game.

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Murphiroth
04/30/22 9:10:56 PM
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Irony posted...
Absolutely not. Mimic tear lost 50% health and 25% damage. They also massively toned the AI down. It's almost completely incapable of surviving the first phase of Malenia. You definitely have not played it.

It's not as good as it was but it's still more than serviceable. Mine survived the first phase of Malenia every single attempt and survived the second phase the time I won.
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Stalolin
04/30/22 9:36:03 PM
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Ive been playing Souls games for over a decade and shes definitely one of the worst bosses.

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Gwynevere
04/30/22 10:26:13 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
You can start the game and cheese 2 bosses for like 200k souls and overlevel most of the game within an hour. Even without cheesing its still their easiest game.
Brand new players that have never played a From Soft game aren't gonna know that or approach it that way though. They're gonna follow the guidance of grace and get absolutely obliterated by Margot

It's no coincidence that Elden Ring was easier than Dark Souls 3, which was easier than Dark Souls 2, which was easier than Dark Souls 1, with Sekiro and Bloodborne standing out because they're distinct entries. The games aren't getting easier, people have just been playing them for the last decade

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Mad-Dogg
04/30/22 10:30:24 PM
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When I first beat malenia it was my 7th attempt I believe and my mimic tear survived the entire fight. It was post-nerf...I didn't get around to doing that haligtree area until the last day or two of march:
https://youtu.be/55QqIshizfQ?t=421 (I actually never got the chance to experience crazy strong mimic tear. The exact day when I finally found the mimic tear spirit ash was the day the nerf patch came out that previous like 12:30am'ish).

I gotta' agree with the peeps that is saying that the mimic tear was still pretty good since that was the main spirit ash I used (and swapping up for black knife tiche for a chance of pace or those fights where her dodging works better. Also used the albinaric chick, I forgot her name, the one that willingly becomes a spirit ash. I used her when I fought those flying bosses).

The nameless king in dark souls 3 was the boss that annoyed me to the point where I just shot the shit out of him with a bow, lol.

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Blue_Inigo
04/30/22 10:32:06 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
Brand new players that have never played a From Soft game aren't gonna know that or approach it that way though. They're gonna follow the guidance of grace and get absolutely obliterated by Margot

It's no coincidence that Elden Ring was easier than Dark Souls 3, which was easier than Dark Souls 2, which was easier than Dark Souls 1, with Sekiro and Bloodborne standing out because they're distinct entries. The games aren't getting easier, people have just been playing them for the last decade
What on earth in DS1 is harder than Fume Knight, anything in DS3, or Malenia? Everything in DS1 moves slow. Meanwhile FromSoft has been making their games faster and their bosses far more complex with fewer openings. The game itself is FAR slower than every other game. Just compare the first bosses of DS1 and DS3. It's like night and day between the Asylum Demon and the Adjuticator.

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Gwynevere
05/01/22 12:55:08 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
What on earth in DS1 is harder than Fume Knight, anything in DS3, or Malenia?
Nothing, that was my point

People keep saying Elden Ring is the easiest, but DS1 has really primitive, slow, exploitable AI compared to later games

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