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ChocoboMog123
04/25/22 9:40:39 PM
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SARASOTA Several teachers at Booker High School said instructors were told this week to remove flags, posters and other items that could be deemed "political," including one who said he was asked to remove a "COEXIST" flag from his classroom by the school's administration, under guidance from the Sarasota County School District.

The well-known "COEXIST" symbols filled in rainbow colors on the flag in instructor James Baldwin's classroom were deemed potentially political, according to the teacher. Baldwin took to social media soon after the removal of the flag to express his disappointment with the school district and concern over his students' well-being.

"I am so disheartened by the direction of our district and state. It's not about me, it's about my students. The ones who felt heard, loved, and accepted and now come into a class with a big empty space," the Exceptional Student Education teacher's post read.
Baldwin he and other teachers were told by Booker Principal Rachel Shelley that district administrators are attempting to avoid instructors possibly being labeled as taking political stances, running afoul of state guidelines.

A second teacher confirmed Friday morning that Booker Highs administration had requested the removal of items from at least six instructors earlier this week. Gail Foreman said Shelley walked through each of the schools classrooms recently and made note of items that the district could deem political. The administrator later asked the handful of instructors to remove the items from their classrooms.
Foreman said she was asked to remove several items including a rainbow Pride flag, a Whiskey Rebellion flag, and a lesbian Pride flag she received from a former student.
I have taken everything down in my room except for anything that is district provided or school provided and that's the way I'm going to remain, she said.
It was "based upon district guidance, to avoid the idea that teachers were being political," Baldwin said via email.
Foreman said that four of the six teachers who were asked to remove personal items were members of the LGBTQ community.She said items required to be removed from classrooms included miniature Pride flags, hats, and a poster that read Black Minds Matter.
Attempts to reach Shelley were unsuccessful Thursday and Friday.

District spokeswoman Kelsey Whealy issued a statement Friday in response to questions that confirmed the removal of Baldwin's flag from the classroom. According to the statement, the flag was a violation of School Board Policy 2.51 (Political Activity on School Board Grounds).
Baldwin's flag contained a mix of religious symbols used to spell out the word COEXIST, including the Muslim crescent at the beginning and a cross at the end, as well as symbols for peace and gender. Rows of other symbols associated with various religions stretch across the top and bottom.

The COEXIST imagery has been around for about 20 years.

The action came less than a week after the Florida Department of Eduation announced that it rejected 41% of math textbooks submitted by publishers, an unprecedented number, because they failed to align with new state standards or included topics such as critical race theory or social emotional learning. It also comes amid a rising conflict over cultural values, issues in which Gov. Ron DeSantis has taken a lead role nationally in Republican efforts to aggressively push back against liberals and woke indoctrination.
DeSantis was signed into law the Stop W.O.K.E. Act on Friday. It puts new restrictions on how race is discussed in schools, colleges and workplaces. The legislation (HB 7) prohibits any teaching that could make students feel they bear personal responsibility for historic wrongs because of their race, color, sex or national origin.
Lawmakers voted in March to pass the legislation along party lines, with Republicans supporting it and Democrats opposing it.
The measure responded to criticism from conservative media that on critical race theory, which examines the role discrimination has played in shaping American history and modern society. Although not taught in Florida schools, DeSantis advances the fear that critical race theory threatens to influence how history and social science are taught. He got the Florida Board of Education last year to specifically ban its use in schools.

Democrats, particularly Black lawmakers, said the legislation is intended to diminish the inequities faced by minorities in this country, largely because it could make white students feel uncomfortable.

DeSantis also signed into law HB 1557, the legislation officially known as the Parental Rights in Education act which was dubbed by critics as the Dont Say Gay bill. It states that: Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

LGBTQ rights organizations say the bill could discriminate against gay and transgender individuals, and cause a chilling effect against students even discussing their LGBTQ families.

Foreman, 60, who has taught United States history, criminal justice, and sociology courses at Booker for the past 15 years, said she has not experienced anything like the current environment in her nearly 30-year teaching career.
Its unfortunate that our kids have to suffer through this. My classroom has been about recognizing every student, every parent. They all matter, Foreman said. This is a very slippery slope.
It is about the kids. The kids don't understand why adults are so against them when we're supposed to be providing a safe space for them, Foreman said.

School Board plans to discuss the removal procedure with the superintendent
School Board member and District 3 representative Thomas Edwards expressed his discontent with District Superintendent Brennan Asplens guidance to remove items from classrooms as a precaution, he said Friday.

Edwards said he does not believe the superintendent was intentionally targeting LGBTQ teachers or students but is attempting to adhere to the new state laws. However, Edwards requested that the School Board open up a discussion about the procedure with the superintendent this week.

I dont agree with it. By removing it as a procedure that may be deemed political. I have a problem with it, he said. Our LGBTQ+ students could be could perceiving this as that they're being discriminated against, or that they don't matter, or that they're minimized, or that they should go back in the closet. And thats the kind of feedback that I'm getting from students and parents and teachers alike.

Board member Shirley Brown also said the move to remove items from the classroom was damaging to students.
Its not only Dont Say Gay, now its dont see gay. They (administration) are taking out everything LGBTQ talk about cancel culture, they are canceling these things, Brown said.
Brown said teachers and parents are growing wary of the administration as well as state legislators targeting marginalized communities. She also believes that legislators are using children to push their political agendas.
Its frightening how they use this political power. They are using the kids and teachers are afraid. This is, in my opinion, an effort to attack public school teachers.

All SCS board members were contacted for comment however Bridget Ziegler, Karen Rose, and Jane Goodwin could not be reached prior to publication.

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Strider102
04/25/22 9:43:57 PM
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Censorship is bad though

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TheOtherMike
04/25/22 9:46:06 PM
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Peacefully coexisting is "political" to Republicans. I mean, we already knew this, but JFC.
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theAteam
04/25/22 9:50:31 PM
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Coexist is a religious thing isn't it?

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Zero_Slash
04/25/22 9:52:11 PM
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There should be no flags on school grounds except for the USA flag.

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Zikten
04/25/22 9:53:00 PM
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Fuck DeSantis
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Zikten
04/25/22 9:53:41 PM
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theAteam posted...
Coexist is a religious thing isn't it?

Partly. The ones I have seen show holy symbols of various religions . But there might be a rainbow flag version too
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Strider102
04/25/22 9:53:49 PM
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Zero_Slash posted...
There should be no flags on school grounds except for the USA flag.

What if the school has it's own flag?

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CyricZ
04/25/22 9:53:55 PM
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Zero_Slash posted...
There should be no flags on school grounds except for the USA flag.
Nationalist.

Not even state flags? No individual school flags?

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Zero_Slash
04/25/22 9:55:21 PM
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Strider102 posted...
What if the school has it's own flag?
Not necessary.

CyricZ posted...
Nationalist.

Not even state flags? No individual school flags?
State flag is fine, too.

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FortuneCookie
04/25/22 9:59:25 PM
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remove coexistence

that about sums it up

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Gwynevere
04/25/22 10:02:09 PM
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Zero_Slash posted...
State flag is fine, too.
Fastest moving goal posts I've ever seen lmao, you are so full of shit

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CyricZ
04/25/22 10:02:17 PM
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Zero_Slash posted...
State flag is fine, too.
What should the punishment be for a school having their own flag?

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UnholyMudcrab
04/25/22 10:04:55 PM
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What really needs to happen to kill this law is for teachers to obey it to the letter and also remove any material that mentions heterosexual marriage or relationships.

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Zero_Slash
04/26/22 12:42:29 AM
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Gwynevere posted...
Fastest moving goal posts I've ever seen lmao, you are so full of shit
Not sure why that triggered you so much, maybe you need to settle down and consider your irrationality before you post.

CyricZ posted...
What should the punishment be for a school having their own flag?
It's not my job to figure that out.

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Explain. Also, before you basically say this in other words, "it hurts my feelings" is not a legitimate explanation.

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Ranlom
04/26/22 12:54:20 AM
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I hope Tony Evers wins reelection or this will be Wisconsin soon enough

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HylianFox
04/26/22 12:55:49 AM
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So, this is okay but monitoring religious symbolism isn't.
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ChocoboMog123
04/26/22 2:47:46 AM
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I blocked Zero_Slash because he always comes into topics with an anti-trans agenda tucked behind some insincere rhetoric.

Anyway, I know people who went to this school. It's the "Black" school, even though it's 40% Hispanic, 30% Black, and 30% Caucasian. It's also 70% poor. But, it's got a good theatre program with some graduates making it to Broadway or Hollywood. It's not exactly a progressive school, but LBGT Pride is pretty strong there and removing these displays is just going to make kids feel less safe.

Unrelated, Trump just registered a business less than 8 miles away: https://i.redd.it/f1mx2holqqv81.jpg

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DocDelicious
04/26/22 3:51:15 AM
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theAteam posted...
Coexist is a religious thing isn't it?

This.
Religion doesn't belong in the school system.

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CyricZ
04/26/22 6:10:11 AM
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Zero_Slash posted...
It's not my job to figure that out.
Kinda specious given you think it's your job to decide what people should be allowed to display at a public school.

I guess this bans all sport paraphernalia as well. Also any brands.

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Kloe_Rinz
04/26/22 6:10:53 AM
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but its "edgy" to say "fuck religion"
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TheOtherMike
04/26/22 8:40:16 AM
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DocDelicious posted...
This.
Religion doesn't belong in the school system.

Religious instruction and preference have no place in school. The coexist symbols are an amalgam that neither instruct on religion nor elevate one religion over the others. The obvious message of coexist is literally "coexist." The message of multicultural unity and respect most certainly does belong in the school system.

But again, the concept of peaceful coexistence is "political" to the party that wants to outlaw the existence of certain "undesirable" groups.
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Tsuyoi3
04/26/22 9:00:10 AM
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Topic title: because of Don't Say Gay bill
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ChocoboMog123 posted...
According to the statement, the flag was a violation of School Board Policy 2.51 (Political Activity on School Board Grounds).
In addition:

ChocoboMog123 posted...
rainbow Pride flag, a Whiskey Rebellion flag, and a lesbian Pride flag she received from a former student.
Also a BLM flag.

So this is definitely a thing on more a "political" in general theme.
Yes it's still dumb, and they do say only things the school gives out are allowed. State and Federal flags are political too >_> but oh it's fine when it's thoooose isn't it, school?

So just state and federal flags, teachers can't express their own views.
They ARE applying it fairly and taking down all though, so at the very least there's that.
If there were a straight flag they'd take it too it seems in at least this case.
So I'd say this case is being sensationalized here a bit.

Still a dumb policy in my opinion.

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VandorLee
04/26/22 9:01:11 AM
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Zero_Slash posted...
There should be no flags


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ChocoboMog123
04/26/22 11:57:58 PM
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Tsuyoi3 posted...
Topic title: because of Don't Say Gay bill
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In addition:

Also a BLM flag.

So this is definitely a thing on more a "political" in general theme.
Yes it's still dumb, and they do say only things the school gives out are allowed. State and Federal flags are political too >_> but oh it's fine when it's thoooose isn't it, school?

So just state and federal flags, teachers can't express their own views.
They ARE applying it fairly and taking down all though, so at the very least there's that.
If there were a straight flag they'd take it too it seems in at least this case.
So I'd say this case is being sensationalized here a bit.

Still a dumb policy in my opinion.
This reeks of color-blind flatulent "White moderate"-ness. What's political about being gay or being Black? Yeah, if there was a KKK flag, they'd take it down - that doesn't equivocate to taking down material encouraging kids to feel safe.

There is no way to separate politics from education without lobotomizing education. You can't teach civics, can't teach history, can't teach biology. Anyone suggesting otherwise is naive, at best, but likely perfectly content with teachings that reinforce their personal biases.

Schools aren't sterile environments. It's impossible to divorce the political realities of the students in these public schools (again, Booker is the "Black" poor school) from the environment surrounding it. And Sarasota (and Florida) is swiftly turning into Trump-central, where you can flaunt the law if you're rich or Trump-looking and must follow every code if you break the norm.
Who is harmed by a Pride flag or COEXIST? If your parents don't want you learning that other religions exist or gay people exist, that's what homeschooling is for. Public schools cannot accommodate every lifestyle and one of those lifestyles it shouldn't accommodate is hatred and bigotry.

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deoxxys
04/28/22 12:15:38 AM
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Me with my Amelia Bedelia mind:
"dont say gay"
>kids get detention for just saying the word gay

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04/28/22 12:21:03 AM
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I'm not sure why you think it makes you look good to announce your intolerance.

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04/28/22 12:23:48 AM
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Tsuyoi3 posted...
Also a BLM flag.

So this is definitely a thing on more a "political" in general theme.
Yes it's still dumb, and they do say only things the school gives out are allowed. State and Federal flags are political too >_> but oh it's fine when it's thoooose isn't it, school?
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