Current Events > Trans doctor who helps teens transition says it's now 'gone too far'

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That is completely dishonest because every time these issues come up, we are told to defer to the relevant individuals or group in question. Arguably its a silencing tactic, but Ill acknowledge that its not possible for a non-trans person, for example, to fully understand trans issues. Now we have a psychologist speaking on this matter, and they are not only a trans person but also has worked directly with hundreds of trans teens on this matter, but you and others here do not want to acknowledge that.

Wait, so we are opposed to a literal trans psychologist giving an opinion on this issue, but we have a meltdown over schools not wanting its teachers to, as you put it, impose its values on a much younger generation?

No. keep that same energy.

That is completely dishonest because every time these issues come up, we are told to defer to the relevant individuals or group in question. Arguably its a silencing tactic, but Ill acknowledge that its not possible for a non-trans person, for example, to fully understand trans issues. Now we have a psychologist speaking on this matter, and they are not only a trans person but also has worked directly with hundreds of trans teens on this matter, but you and others here do not want to acknowledge that. That isnt a naked appeal to authority because it isnt just based on their title.

Not only that, but wouldn't there be a large to majority opinion coming from the medical community that agreed with her statements if they're really to be taken seriously? Why should we be listening to this sole medical professional while disregarding the position of the rest of the medical community?

Doesn't the large to majority opinion of the medical community agree that a medical decision like this should only be made after consulting with a qualified individual to assess the person's understanding of the decision and their reason for it? Like up until this, I thought you literally couldn't even get a prescription for this stuff without meeting with such an individual first, and it seems like it's still required at a lot of clinics? It's genuinely scary if doctors are willing to give out life-altering prescriptions without even assessing mental state first.

Doesn't the large to majority opinion of the medical community agree that a medical decision like this should only be made after consulting with a qualified individual to assess the person's understanding of the decision and their reason for it? Like up until this, I thought you literally couldn't even get a prescription for this stuff without meeting with such an individual first, and it seems like it's still required at a lot of clinics? It's genuinely scary if doctors are willing to give out life-altering prescriptions without even assessing mental state first.

Doesn't the large to majority opinion of the medical community agree that a medical decision like this should only be made after consulting with a qualified individual to assess the person's understanding of the decision and their reason for it? Like up until this, I thought you literally couldn't even get a prescription for this stuff without meeting with such an individual first, and it seems like it's still required at a lot of clinics? It's genuinely scary if doctors are willing to give out life-altering prescriptions without even assessing mental state first.

I dont see any reason to believe doctors are prescribing hormones without proper assessment (at least not on any substantial scale). Id want to see statistics and hear from other medical professionals about this before believing this is a legitimate problem.

This doesn't even make sense as a counterargument. "I thought you needed an assessment to get these drugs." "Show me evidence that one isn't being done." Well if one isn't being done, then the doctor here is right, and if one is being done, then my statement is correct.

I do not know any general practitioners, like a family medicine doctor, that would prescribe medications like this without referral to a specialist, though, same with any other issues related to mental well-being. People generally know if they are depressed or have anxiety too, but you absolutely have to see a specialist to be prescribed those.

BEING TRANSGENDER IS NOT A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE!

The negative mental health outcomes associated with transgenderism present when the medical condition goes untreated.

This doesn't even make sense as a counterargument.

It makes perfect sense. The claim "a proper assessment is not being done" needs to be substantiated with evidence like the statistical data HairyQueen is asking for. We don't just take one person's word on it that the standard of care is being circumvented on a statistically significant scale.

So my post said "I thought a proper assessment is required"
and you say "A proper assessment is required"
so why are you acting like this is a disagreement.

I dont see any reason to believe doctors are prescribing hormones without proper assessment (at least not on any substantial scale). Id want to see statistics and hear from other medical professionals about this before believing this is a legitimate problem.

I said nothing about this. Being transgender is not something that is medically treated in any way. Gender identity disorder -- the systems that a transgender person experiences before transitioning -- is.

Gender identity disorder is a mental health issue. It is legally one. It is medically one. General conversion therapy is a treatment for it. It is literally in ICD-10 under F64. It has nothing to do with special snowflake feelings and politically correct bullshit. ICD-11 replaces it with "gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood" (or "of childhood") to make the label kinder.

So my post said "I thought a proper assessment is required"
and you say "A proper assessment is required"
so why are you acting like this is a disagreement.

Gender dysphoria is a treatable mental health issue. Gender identity disorder isn't a thing.

* Literal doctor
* Transperson herself
* A leading authority who actively helps people transition

Random CE users: REEEEEEEEEEEE I KNOW BETTER THAN HER.

Never gets old lol.

Gender dysphoria is an alias for gender identity disorder, which as of ICD-10, was literally the medical term for the condition. Like I don't know why, of all the things to challenge, this is the one people keep sticking on.

https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F60-F69/F64-/F64.9

The one thing I wasn't aware of was that ICD-11 formally went into effect a few months ago, so now it's "Gender incongruence" instead.

https://icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http://id.who.int/icd/entity/411470068

Gender dysphoria is an alias for gender identity disorder, which as of ICD-10, was literally the medical term for the condition. Like I don't know why, of all the things to challenge, this is the one people keep sticking on.

https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F60-F69/F64-/F64.9

The one thing I wasn't aware of was that ICD-11 formally went into effect a few months ago, so now it's "Gender incongruence" instead.

https://icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http://id.who.int/icd/entity/411470068

No it isn't, because not all trans people experience dysphoria.

Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnoses in this group.

It's literally in ICD as an alias. Type it in the search. Like I do not fucking understand why you keep telling me this bullshit and wasting everyone's time. This is the international classification of diseases, the standard used by all medical institutions and billing-related agencies in the developed world.

It's literally in ICD as an alias. Type it in the search. Like I do not fucking understand why you keep telling me this bullshit and wasting everyone's time. This is the international classification of diseases, the standard used by all medical institutions and billing-related agencies in the developed world.

W20.0 is in the ICD-10, being injured by a falling object in a cave in (excludes asphyxiation from a cave in), it's descriptive and not prescriptive. That's literally what the purpose of it is, for simplifying billing and coding processing.

This reflects evidence that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill health, and classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.

Explain to me why a trans psychologist offering her own opinion about caution about life changing decisions to children is so triggering to y'all?

She's allowed to have her worries. She's allowed to assess those worries.

The problem is when she tells a newspaper of these "private fears" of hers. You still have to be careful of what you say to the press as an expert and how that will be used.

One thing I'm sure many folks know as people get older, their filter goes away.

I'm not confirming this is the case, but I don't know what Doctor Anderson thought would happen with her saying this out loud in this year of our Dog 2022 when trans people and trans children specifically are firmly in the crosshairs.

The problem is when she tells a newspaper of these "private fears" of hers. You still have to be careful of what you say to the press as an expert and how that will be used.

One thing I'm sure many folks know as people get older, their filter goes away.

I think the problem is when the fear mongering from the pro-trans community gets to the point where it's afraid of what a trans psychologist in the field of helping transitioning children has to say. When that thing she's saying, is literally "Let's make sure every child and parents who want's to undergo a life changing decision, are doing it for the all right reasons and make sure it's done through all the proper channels"

The trans community is not doing the fear-mongering. They are the ones being killed and being legislated against.

this is an issue of having ALL information available

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