Current Events > Finally saw The Batman. What issues did people have with it? *spoilers*

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I thought it was the second best DC movie after TDK. The noir tone was pitch perfect for Batman and I love how there was very little focus on Bruce Wayne.

My only complaint is the Riddlers plot at the end reminded me a lot of the Nolan movies - getting caught on purpose, blowing up strategic parts of the city, assassinating a political figure. But it was still very well executed. And the movie was a bit too long.

Im just curious why some people are hating on it.

I really loved it.

au_gold posted...

Im just curious why some people are hating on it.

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I thoroughly enjoyed it overall, but it was too long. After they caught the Riddler I wasn't really invested in anything else. I also felt the "blow up Gotham" plot was played out.

Like, the story up to the capture I really liked. A serial killer who thinks he's helping the hero the whole time, and the final reveal that Batman and the Riddler were working together, forcing Batman to confront the kind of person he is and what he represents to Gotham. All that was good shit.

Then it's like "oh btw I'm gonna blow all this shit up" and it's like...wowsers, a superhero movie where the city/country/world/universe is about to get blown up. Haven't seen that before. Idk, I guess I'm just burnt out on all these ridiculous high stakes scenarios. The more personal nature of the movie was really good, and the blockbuster third act diminished that imo

It is really only certain people on the right hating it. And for the dumbest reasons too.

Tyranthraxus posted...

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Thank you I needed a laugh.

It was great until The Riddler got himself caught, then it was just a very meh conclusion.

Also I didnt like how Batman didnt thwart a single part of any of the Riddlers plans (until the very end) and was no where close to catching Riddler before he inexplicably turned himself in for some
reason? I mean at least the Joker had a reason to get caught

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I thoroughly enjoyed it overall, but it was too long. After they caught the Riddler I wasn't really invested in anything else. I also felt the "blow up Gotham" plot was played out.

Like, the story up to the capture I really liked. A serial killer who thinks he's helping the hero the whole time, and the final reveal that Batman and the Riddler were working together, forcing Batman to confront the kind of person he is and what he represents to Gotham. All that was good shit.

Then it's like "oh btw I'm gonna blow all this shit up" and it's like...wowsers, a superhero movie where the city/country/world/universe is about to get blown up. Haven't seen that before. Idk, I guess I'm just burnt out on all these ridiculous high stakes scenarios. The more personal nature of the movie was really good, and the blockbuster third act diminished that imo

well its not like he tried nuking the city, like Bane. He only targeted the flood retention walls

so they would drown, like rats

It's great, just not quite as good as TDK. Also...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79990286

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

he inexplicably turned himself in for some
reason?

Exposing the mob boss was his main goal. After he accomplished that, his plan was that Batman would be his bff and chill with him safely in Arkham while the city got bombed.

A shoddy plan, really. Even if Batman were cool with blowing up the city, Riddler's singing voice would've drove him away eventually.

Agreed about the third act being the weakest part. But I was so into the movie at that point I was willing to forgive a standard blockbuster ending.

The whole third act was just a giant lead up to the goon saying his name is vengeance and I kind of feel like they could have found a way to do that without blowing up the entire city because that shit is getting kind of old.

just finished it. only thing i really didnt like was dano, was a bit too cheesy i thought. wasnt expecting a pg 13 se7en batman, but i think it kinda worked...

I thought Dano was great. He gave me Joker from TDK vibes.

But yeah, I was thinking of Se7en a lot. Its about time we got a proper detective noir Batman movie.

Funnily enough complaints about the third act seems to be pretty common for Batman movies in general.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I thoroughly enjoyed it overall, but it was too long. After they caught the Riddler I wasn't really invested in anything else. I also felt the "blow up Gotham" plot was played out.

Like, the story up to the capture I really liked. A serial killer who thinks he's helping the hero the whole time, and the final reveal that Batman and the Riddler were working together, forcing Batman to confront the kind of person he is and what he represents to Gotham. All that was good shit.

Then it's like "oh btw I'm gonna blow all this shit up" and it's like...wowsers, a superhero movie where the city/country/world/universe is about to get blown up. Haven't seen that before. Idk, I guess I'm just burnt out on all these ridiculous high stakes scenarios. The more personal nature of the movie was really good, and the blockbuster third act diminished that imo

Release the Kim Seong Na cut!

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To add onto this, one reason why hearing this makes me not want to watch it is because that sounds like my exact issue with Joker. Perfectly fine movie, I'm sure, but I imagine it's padded beyond its means and a bit of a slog by the end, even if the end is really good.

They went with the greatest detective angle and apart from solving some simple riddles, Batman did nothing. Did not catch the Riddler, had to have the penguin give him the clue on the Spanish riddle, because he had no idea and doesn't speak Spanish. Just hung out with the cops at crime scenes just to pick up messages left to him by the Riddler. Solved the big riddle because some cop said 'hey that's a carpeting tool' and then carpet, CARPET, there's carpet right there, greatest detective.

The unessasery chase sequence that caused unfolds collateral damage, and loss of lives. And batman or Gordon not giving a fuck so they could catch a killer who until then only killed provenly corrupt politician's.....

Also batman assaulting the police mutiple times and getting away with zero repucusions.

That Batmobile chase did come out of nowhere. Im just glad he wasnt actively murdering people.

I really liked it, but it is paced super oddly. It's almost more like four episodes of a miniseries than a proper movie, right down to each "episode" ending with a climactic fight.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Also I didnt like how Batman didnt thwart a single part of any of the Riddlers plans (until the very end) and was no where close to catching Riddler before he inexplicably turned himself in for some

Oh, and this part I kind of enjoyed. I think it's fun that the Riddler isn't caught until his own delusions make him think Batman is on his side. Also loved the bait and switch with them making it seem like he knows Batman's identity.

I still have about an hour left but my only issue is quiet dialog.

creativerealms posted...

It is really only certain people on the right hating it. And for the dumbest reasons too.

I'm not even slightly on the right. While hate is a strong word and I do feel that there were things it did well, I didn't feel it was a a good film.

I didn't approve of the music, I felt it was overly long and I felt that the monologues were insulting to the audience at times.

I also thought the whole sequence after the bomb when Batman wakes up in the police station was ridiculous.

I will say I thought the ending was a bit odd. When I started to see what the plot was aiming at, I figured we'd get a scene of Bruce making a speech with the mayor about how he's taking control of the renewal fund to turn it into the charitable fundraiser it was meant to be.

Maybe it'd be trite, but I think you kind of need something like that. As it is, there's no indication that he'll try to help the city as Bruce Wayne, he's just making Batman more marketable. So the stuff in the beginning with Alfred where they talk about how Bruce is a hermit doesn't really go anywhere.

I fucking loved it and I actually feel like watching it again already.

The atmosphere was amazing. The crazy thing is that there are lots of minor issues, but overall, you kind of just go along with it. Lots of non-sensical/cheesy dialog and acting. Lots of ridiculous scenarios that don't really make sense when you pause to think about. It's also a bit too long, but the slow burn was great.

Also, I hate that they keep using Manhattan as Gotham, but it REALLY worked this time, even better than The Bronx in Joker. Shit was horrible when they did it for TDKR though.

that part where Batman chased Penguin on that highway leaving a trail of destruction behind, capturing him and interrogating him only to leave him behind afterwards was kinda "wtf?" but that didnt stop me from enjoying the movie. lol

I loved the start and the end. The middle though the whole thing with the Waynes and Catwoman backstory just felt super pointless. If you cut out around 30min in the middle itd be amazing.

pegusus123456 posted...

I will say I thought the ending was a bit odd. When I started to see what the plot was aiming at, I figured we'd get a scene of Bruce making a speech with the mayor about how he's taking control of the renewal fund to turn it into the charitable fundraiser it was meant to be.

Yeah, I was waiting for something like that to happen. It wouldve been a nice way to end the movie.

oh yeah, and even tho i liked Catwoman, that romance between her and Bats seemed pretty out of nowhere.

i guess every movie out there needs a romance... lol

Yeah, that 3rd act along with parts of the 2nd.
It felt like Batman forgot all about the lunatic serial killer because he wanted to do a deep dive in his father's past. After that the movie's like "Oh yeah, Riddler's still a thing. I guess he needs some master plan as well"

I also can't grasp how Farrell's generic mob boss #69731259983 Penguin is getting his own show.

Batman doesnt sneak. At all. The whole movie....

I just wish they had Zoe Kravitz keep her long hair.

I enjoyed it overall.

I disliked their take on Bruce Wayne, I thought Alfred was largely wasted in this film, I couldve done without shoehorning in the Batman/catwoman romance, and I thought this version of Gordon kind of sucked.

But I also thought this version of Batman was great, most of the action was well done, the Riddler was great, and most of the acting was very good.

I cant wait to see what they do with this version next.

I mean what was that stupid thing with "El Ratto" or whatever, rat with wings thing. We went down 4 seperate interpretations of the conjugation there. Absolute wild that the worlds greatest detective struggles with Google translate, and its even wilder that theyd spent so much time on that limp little nugget.

Movie was too long, a lot of it could've been cut(almost all of Catwoman's stuff was just fluff). Bruce was also super creepy towards her for some reason. She was also apparently in a relationship with the missing girl, but still fawns all over Batman. Also, her mask is dumb.

Batman was also pretty dumb, and didn't actually stop any of Riddler's plan. Sure, he partially succeeded in the final act, but even then he was late and only managed to cut it short.

Then of course there's the rat with things section... penguin? Really? The world's greatest detective's reasoning was "a penguin has wings."

It was just kind of an overly long, awkward movie to get through. Certainly not a bad movie at all, just... There was a lot going on that didn't quite work.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Funnily enough complaints about the third act seems to be pretty common for Batman movies in general.

I feel like the third act is where the majority of movies make their biggest screw ups. Sticking the landing is hard and all the little mistakes early on can snowball.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Movie was too long, a lot of it could've been cut(almost all of Catwoman's stuff was just fluff). Bruce was also super creepy towards her for some reason. She was also apparently in a relationship with the missing girl, but still fawns all over Batman. Also, her mask is dumb.

Batman was also pretty dumb, and didn't actually stop any of Riddler's plan. Sure, he partially succeeded in the final act, but even then he was late and only managed to cut it short.

Then of course there's the rat with things section... penguin? Really? The world's greatest detective's reasoning was "a penguin has wings."

It was just kind of an overly long, awkward movie to get through. Certainly not a bad movie at all, just... There was a lot going on that didn't quite work.

Honestly though what was good about it? All you did was list bad things.

that scene where the penguin is being interrogated by Gordon and Batman he literally starts making fun of them because theyre so fucking stupid. Even the riddlers plan to bring him to the light or whatever the fuck he said.. like what if they had gone out a different door? So fucking dumb.

and that scene where Batman is just staring at cat woman as she changes.. hes standing right outside her apartment WITH BINOCULARS. Seriously so fucking dumb. I cant believe this movie got so much praise.

and I was so hyped for it.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Honestly though what was good about it? All you did was list bad things.

The premise was quite interesting, and was nice to see a more realistic and investigative side to the character.

The Batmobile scene was awesome. That whole chase, even if it did cause a lot of needless damage was just a fun scene to experience. With the rest of the film being a bit dull, that part really stands out.

For the most part, Riddler was a good villain. I feel he kinda lost that near the end, but up till then he was actually pretty impressive.

Gordon being just as capable as Batman and more of a partner was cool on screen. Usually he's either helpless or batman brings him along just to give Batman a reason to voice his thoughts. This time they were both capable, just working on opposite sides of the law. As it should be.

Saw it last night, overall I thought it was pretty bad, most of the reasons have already been brought up in this topic. One thing I did like was that Pattinson wasn't super gruff and angry like the most recent batman's have been. He talked in a normal voice for the bulk of the movie, only getting angry a few times.

Dude tanked a bomb that literally exploded 2 inches from the one vulnerable part on his mouth. I can suspend my disbelief on the fully bulletproof batsuit, but at least do me the courtesy of making sure that mouth part never gets hit bc that's clearly his weak spot.

lilORANG posted...

Dude tanked a bomb that literally exploded 2 inches from the one vulnerable part on his mouth.

That part did take me out a bit. Like at least have Batman start running away before the bomb goes off so its not right in his fucking face.

Guy only kills corrupt politicians and the people manipulating them from the shadows. Hes an orphan, and wants to destroy the rotten core of Gotham because the common man is being screwed by these corrupt pigs, and he amassed an incel army to help him

until the end, then he wants to cause untold destruction and kill hundreds of common people while most of the top dogs stay safe in their bunkers/high rise apartments lol literally completely randomly riddler wants to kill everyone just so you dont end up agreeing with him too much

pegusus123456 posted...

I will say I thought the ending was a bit odd. When I started to see what the plot was aiming at, I figured we'd get a scene of Bruce making a speech with the mayor about how he's taking control of the renewal fund to turn it into the charitable fundraiser it was meant to be.

Maybe it'd be trite, but I think you kind of need something like that. As it is, there's no indication that he'll try to help the city as Bruce Wayne, he's just making Batman more marketable. So the stuff in the beginning with Alfred where they talk about how Bruce is a hermit doesn't really go anywhere.

Agreed, especially as there were hints towards the topic/question of "What can Bruce/Batman do on a foundational level to help the city?"