Current Events > Christians: ''and then in 3 days, jesus rose from the dead"

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"On the third day" it's inclusive of the day of crucifixion.

"On the third day" it's inclusive of the day of crucifixion.

Crazy that the Bible isn't even specific enough to be able to tell you when the savior did their savior thing. You'd think that might be pretty important to get right.

why are specific dates important?

Crazy that the Bible isn't even specific enough to be able to tell you when the savior did their savior thing. You'd think that might be pretty important to get right.

Why is hearing about Jesus the only thing that matters for if God decides to eternally torture you or not? I dunno man, religion is wack.

John changed the dates cause whoever wrote it thought that if Jesus died when the passover lamb was slaughtered it would be more symbolic. That's why we get either 33 or 37 AD as the supposed dates for his death, 33 fits the synoptic gospels timetable, 37 fits the Johanine timetable.

God isn't forcing anyone

This is the logic of an abuse victim. The -default- fate of all people according to the Bible is to go to Hell. God chose it to be that way.

We did that with the fall

"We"
God burns babies in Hell and if you "love" God you worship a demon that hates human beings and proudly presides over a realm where their children are tortured eternally

The fedora energy in this topic is massive.

"We"
God burns babies in Hell and if you "love" God you worship a demon that hates human beings and proudly presides over a realm where their children are tortured eternally

Why do Christians believe that Jesus was raised from the dead but look down on witchcraft? I always found that funny.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power"
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Babies are a part of all and are therefore sinners, sinners shall be punished by hell, babies cannot know Jesus, ergo babies burn in hell.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power"
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Babies are a part of all and are therefore sinners, sinners shall be punished by hell, babies cannot know Jesus, ergo babies burn in hell.

Yes, one can cherry pick verses.

Which of those verses say that the baby needs to know Jesus died?

Romans 2:12-16

New International Version

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges peoples secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares

That passage is used to support the idea that people who didn't hear about Jesus will be judged differently

Which of those verses say that the baby needs to know Jesus died? Rather than having the gift of Jesus sacrifice?

Paul was a dumbass tho. Can't make up his mind between salvation by faith or by acts.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power"
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Babies are a part of all and are therefore sinners, sinners shall be punished by hell, babies cannot know Jesus, ergo babies burn in hell.

that's why people are baptized as babies

At what point does a person not get a free ride from Jesus but instead risks eternal Hell? 3? 9? 18?

Whenever their capacity allows I would presume, as I believe God is just.
There are verses for it, and if God is as just as he says (and as a Christian I believe he is), and the verses are true, then God would judge fairly according to what you comprehend.

A mentally challenged individual would be judged fairly no matter the age for example.

Which is what Paul thinks, maybe. It's not what whoever wrote John thought. Yet both are somehow the inspired true word of God.

The part where it says sinners will be punished. Preceded by the part where it says everyone is a sinner. Followed by the part where it says you have to know Jesus to be saved.

Do they contradict each other?

Letters happen after the Gospel
Isn't the whole point of Paul to correct the bad practices he saw in upcoming christian communities?

like clear up stuff

Paul was one of the apostles

Whenever their capacity allows I would presume, as I believe God is just.

Except it didn't say "know" Jesus. It said He was the Way and that through Him was salvation.

Paul was 30 years+ before the gospels.

Where can I find this timeline?

Paul makes it pretty clear by the end of all his stuff he sides with salvation by faith. His letters are the biggest reason Christians don't follow the strict Jewish law; following rules, doing things, don't get you into heaven.

But then he talks about a natural law that will lead you to Jesus or whatever just by being good. It's honestly best to treat him as what he was historically, an old confused guy suffering from delusions after a heat stroke decades after Jesus even died.

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!

But he came back anyway, so what did he REALLY sacrifice?!?

John changed the dates cause whoever wrote it thought that if Jesus died when the passover lamb was slaughtered it would be more symbolic. That's why we get either 33 or 37 AD as the supposed dates for his death, 33 fits the synoptic gospels timetable, 37 fits the Johanine timetable.

If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing!