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ZannoL 03/29/22 5:10:37 PM #1: |
https://www.axios.com/biden-congress-lynching-bill-54440966-ad83-4bfb-919d-4b71959c4f0f.html President Biden signed into law Tuesday a historic bill to make lynching a federal hate crime in the U.S. for the first time. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/8/AAaB-xAADFFQ.jpg Good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FigureOfSpeech 03/29/22 5:11:46 PM #2: |
Good that he did this. Fucking sad that he had to do this. --- Always check timestamps... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZannoL 03/29/22 5:12:02 PM #3: |
FigureOfSpeech posted... Good that he did this. Fucking sad that he had to do this.Yeah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 03/29/22 5:12:18 PM #4: |
Why didn't Obama? >_> --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 03/29/22 5:14:56 PM #6: |
Good. --- One can never truly understand the universe, until one understands one's own Trumble. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Imit8m3 03/29/22 5:15:23 PM #7: |
Wait, so assault and murder wasn't illegal before!? --- Yes, I am aggressively handsome. Thanks for noticing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/29/22 5:16:17 PM #8: |
Sad this even needed to be done, but glad it was. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 03/29/22 5:16:33 PM #9: |
ZannoL posted... A convicted perpetrator would face up to 30 years in prison.Up to? Wtf that should be the minimum. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 5:18:32 PM #11: |
FigureOfSpeech posted... Good that he did this. Fucking sad that he had to do this. Did he have to do this though? Like I think this might be symbolic because I'm pretty sure that any murder is going to be prosecuted. And I feel like if anybody ever did get lynched in 2022 we'd hear about it. Am I wrong? Are there a bunch of lynchings going on that literally nobody talks about? I just googled it and got: "The lynching of Michael Donald in Mobile, Alabama, on March 21, 1981, was one of the last reported lynchings in the United States. Several Ku Klux Klan (KKK) members beat and killed Michael Donald, a 19-year-old African-American, and hung his body from a tree." I'm guessing this law was a symbolic gesture. I'm open to being corrected but I really don't think lynchings happen in the US anymore for like... 40+ years. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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harley2280 03/29/22 5:33:11 PM #14: |
joe40001 posted... I'm pretty sure that any murder is going to be prosecuted. As normal you're wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lynching_victims_in_the_United_States Adam
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greyfox747 03/29/22 5:37:22 PM #15: |
I cannot think of someone whose thoughts I value less in regards to this topic than joe4001s --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Bass 03/29/22 5:39:01 PM #16: |
ZannoL posted... Good. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:14:25 PM #17: |
harley2280 posted... As normal you're wrong. That post is very hard to read, but if you look at the actual link you just posted: There have been 3 US lynching in the last 30 years, all the perpetrators were charged with murder, many were also charged with hate crimes, and some were executed. So... I was right. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 03/29/22 6:15:27 PM #18: |
Just in the neck of time --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dakimakura 03/29/22 6:15:30 PM #19: |
Lower video card prices when? --- This is signature Not waste of data at all ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:16:19 PM #20: |
Was... harley legitimately pointing to 1870s lynchings as evidence that this law is necessary in 2022? Are they a troll or something I don't know about? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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harley2280 03/29/22 6:16:46 PM #21: |
joe40001 posted... There have been 3 US lynching in the last 30 years, all the perpetrators were charged with murder, many were also charged with hate crimes, and some were executed. I'm sorry you struggle with English so bad you can't even read your original post. joe40001 posted... I'm pretty sure that any murder is going to be prosecuted. --- PSN/GT: Harley2280 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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harley2280 03/29/22 6:18:36 PM #24: |
OVERGOATED posted... Great. Can someone explain what took so long, why this was necessary? The best explanation is CRT. --- PSN/GT: Harley2280 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 03/29/22 6:19:34 PM #25: |
Surprising this has to be explicitly included in hate crime definitions. You'd think killing someone for their existence or lifestyle would be fairly cut and dry as hate crimes go. I'd like to see examples where prosecutions failed or were rendered inert because the categorization of a lynching wasn't enough to secure a hate crime conviction. Also the sentence can only max out at 30 years for such a thing? Seems arbitrary and low. --- Sometimes it's necessary to make people miserable, even if that means making yourself miserable in the process. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:20:15 PM #26: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Who is endorsing lynchings? harley2280 posted... I'm sorry you struggle with English so bad you can't even read your original post. wtf are you talking about? Every case of lynching in the past 30 years as prosecuted for murder, which is what I was saying. This law isn't really necessary and looks to be mostly symbolic (or pandering if you are cynical). --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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harley2280 03/29/22 6:22:35 PM #29: |
joe40001 posted... wtf are you talking about? Every case of lynching in the past 30 years as prosecuted for murder, which is what I was saying. This law isn't really necessary and looks to be mostly symbolic (or pandering if you are cynical). No need to get upset and start yelling what the fuck. It's okay we understand you can't read, don't get upset get hooked on phonics. https://www.hookedonphonics.com/ --- PSN/GT: Harley2280 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seaman_Prime 03/29/22 6:23:15 PM #30: |
Cant wait for some dumbass politician to say but that should up to the States! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:24:37 PM #31: |
Solid Sonic posted... Surprising this has to be explicitly included in hate crime definitions. You'd think killing someone for their existence or lifestyle would be fairly cut and dry as hate crimes go. Considering that the only lynching that happened in the last 20 years was successfully prosecuted as a hate crime, it seems like it already was cut and dry. This is a symbolic law. Which is whatever I guess. I'd prefer Biden actually deliver on some of his promises like healthcare or support for the poor, but I guess this is an easier way to get votes without upsetting big business. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:29:56 PM #32: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That quote does not seem to be during his defense of voting against this bill. I'd definitely be curious to hear his explanation of his no vote here. From how he talks it sounds like he's an old man who has seen too many John Wayne movies. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 03/29/22 6:31:48 PM #33: |
My dad helped clarify this. Apparently now lynching can be elevated to the level of federal prosecution, I guess. Although since state law would allow the maximum sentence of first degree intentional homicide to be applied to such a situation (with a hate crime modifier), the thirty year sentence seems like it'd be a less profound proposition. In all this feels like it fits into a very narrow space but good for racial injustice progress. Identifying it as a problem means it can be targeted. --- Sometimes it's necessary to make people miserable, even if that means making yourself miserable in the process. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:32:39 PM #34: |
harley2280 posted... No need to get upset and start yelling what the fuck. It's okay we understand you can't read, don't get upset get hooked on phonics. https://www.hookedonphonics.com/ This is sad --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CableZL 03/29/22 6:35:58 PM #36: |
I'm not sure we can consider the prosecution of Ahmaud Arbery's killers a reason to keep the status quo. The only reason they were prosecuted at all is because the defendants released the video. There was an active and nearly successful attempt to cover it up. Who knows what else was covered up by them and people like them. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:40:30 PM #38: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yeah, I guess I don't know what I expected. Even if this bill is mostly just a symbolic political stunt because hate crimes like these are already prosecuted as hate crimes, this guy should have the sense to realize he's playing into democrats hands by voting no on it. It's like if Biden created a "it's against the law to torture puppies bill" as a cheap political stunt. Sure it wouldn't actually change the law because it's already against the law to torture puppies, but at the same time, you shouldn't vote against the bill. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 6:42:51 PM #39: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] WASHINGTON U.S. Rep. Chip Roy, a Hays County Republican, caused a firestorm at a hearing Thursday about Asian Americans and hate crimes by invoking lynching in Texas as an example of justice. I was saying his statement here was not about the bill being discussed in the topic. It was a comment during a discussion about Asian Americans and hate crimes. I'm not defending what he said. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 03/29/22 7:01:10 PM #41: |
ZannoL posted... The absence of a statute allowed the vast majority of perpetrators to go unpunished in cases of nearly documented 6,500 racial terror lynchings between 1865 and 1950. I have to question if hate crime legislation even existed during those years to give this sort of law anything to bolt onto, let alone been taken seriously as a consideration. That timeframe runs from immediately after the Civil War to fifteen years before the Civil Rights movement had gotten serious traction, a time when you could charitably say racial relations were "tenuous at best". Strom Thurmond hadn't even pulled his legendary all-nighter filibuster by this point, that was still seven years off. If you can't even be bothered to let black people ride in the bus seats reserved for whites or entertain the thought of letting black children be educated in the same classroom as white children trying to treat lynching as a federal offense seems pretty far off. --- Sometimes it's necessary to make people miserable, even if that means making yourself miserable in the process. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 03/29/22 7:59:07 PM #42: |
ZannoL posted... Details: Under the new law, a crime would be prosecuted as a lynching when death or serious bodily injury results from a conspiracy to commit a hate crime. This seems to be the important line. I think what this law actually is isn't making lynchings a hate crime (they already were) but making it so any murder or serious assault that is the result of a conspiracy to commit a hate crime now will be called a "lynching". So, it would seem that for example a group of people assaulting somebody for their race is now under law a "lynching". Please correct me if others read that differently. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori http://i.imgur.com/TheGsZ9.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 03/29/22 8:15:17 PM #43: |
The fact so many lynchings went unprosecuted in the past is due to a system that refused to recognize the rule of law applying to people of color. A posse coming together to murder someone just because they exist is inarguably against the law but white-dominated southern courts were happy to just brush that under the rug as if it never happened (probably since one of the people in the posse was the town sheriff anyway). --- Sometimes it's necessary to make people miserable, even if that means making yourself miserable in the process. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 03/29/22 8:15:54 PM #44: |
its pretty fucked up that this didn't happen til 2022 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheOtherMike 03/29/22 8:16:21 PM #45: |
Why the fuck are there users on this board who still haven't blocked joenumbers? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 03/29/22 8:16:22 PM #46: |
Join me and every other black person in saying "Wait...this wasn't already a hate crime?" --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 03/29/22 8:24:50 PM #47: |
joe40001 posted... This seems to be the important line.The other thing that I'm getting is that this is a federal law, and as such, if a state is choosing to turn a blind eye (or even just downplay, without ignoring altogether), it allows the federal government to step in and prosecute. --- One can never truly understand the universe, until one understands one's own Trumble. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Taharqa_ 03/29/22 8:26:46 PM #48: |
Trumble posted... The other thing that I'm getting is that this is a federal law, and as such, if a state is choosing to turn a blind eye (or even just downplay, without ignoring altogether), it allows the federal government to step in and prosecute. This is the most important part. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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