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Chunkey Simmons 03/15/22 4:37:46 PM #1:	Scenario #1: There's a big party going on, 2 men meet for the first time, get into a big argument and one guy takes a gun out and shoots the other in the head Scenario #2: Same as #1, but the man beats the other to death rather than using a gun. Scenario #3: Same as #2, but the man who threw the first attack knew the guy from a few different parties in the past and didn't like him What would these crimes qualify as? --- The n00b of MBH and CE - and proud of it! President Chunkey Simmons, running for 2016. <cite>Chunkey Simmons posted [p:963472924] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Scenario #1: There's a big party going on, 2 men meet for the first time, get into a big argument and one guy takes a gun out and shoots the other in the headScenario #2: Same as #1, but the man beats the other to death rather than using a gun.Scenario #3: Same as #2, but the man who threw the first attack knew the guy from a few different parties in the past and didn't like him What would these crimes qualify as? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 03/15/22 4:39:01 PM #2:	They're all self defense if anyone asks --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:963472944] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>They're all self defense if anyone asks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonAngel 03/15/22 4:39:10 PM #3:	Those are all murder --- https://i.imgur.com/5AWjPWT.png <cite>CrimsonAngel posted [p:963472947] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Those are all murder </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chunkey Simmons 03/15/22 4:40:12 PM #4:	CrimsonAngel posted... Those are all murder why though? the first 2 are not premeditated. --- The n00b of MBH and CE - and proud of it! President Chunkey Simmons, running for 2016. <cite>Chunkey Simmons posted [p:963472980] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonAngel posted... </cite> <quote>Those are all murder</quote>why though? the first 2 are not premeditated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 03/15/22 4:40:55 PM #5:	They don't have to be --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:963472998] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>They don't have to be </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonAngel 03/15/22 4:41:44 PM #6:	Chunkey Simmons posted... why though? the first 2 are not premeditated. That makes them murder 2 not manslaughter. Manslaughter typically involves accidental death --- https://i.imgur.com/5AWjPWT.png <cite>CrimsonAngel posted [p:963473027] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Chunkey Simmons posted... </cite> <quote>why though? the first 2 are not premeditated.</quote>That makes them murder 2 not manslaughter. Manslaughter typically involves accidental death </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 03/15/22 4:42:18 PM #7:	Obviously this is the very simplified version, but manslaughter generally applies when the death was not intentional while murder applies when there was a clear intent to kill --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:963473052] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Obviously this is the very simplified version, but manslaughter generally applies when the death was not intentional while murder applies when there was a clear intent to kill </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 03/15/22 4:43:02 PM #8:	Murder is when you go into the situation with the premeditated desire to cause harm. Generally it explicitly wants you to go into the situation wanting to cause death but in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota they have "third degree murder" in which you only had to have to go into the situation wanting to cause bodily harm. Manslaughter is when you go into the situation without having any explicit desire to cause bodily harm. Those are all manslaughter unless there is something else going on in #3. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:963473072] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Murder is when you go into the situation with the premeditated desire to cause harm. Generally it explicitly wants you to go into the situation wanting to cause death but in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota they have "third degree murder" in which you only had to have to go into the situation wanting to cause bodily harm. Manslaughter is when you go into the situation without having any explicit desire to cause bodily harm. Those are all manslaughter unless there is something else going on in #3. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 03/15/22 4:43:38 PM #9:	They all sound like 2nd degree murder, #2 could be voluntary manslaughter depending on details not covered in scenario (did he beat the dude and the dude happened to die or did he beat him woth the intention of killing him? Did he stop when he realized the guy was in trouble and did he call 911/try and save/help him at that point? Etc.). Scenario #3 is too vague to determine premeditation. More evidence of it would be required to up it to 1st degree. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:963473092] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>They all sound like 2nd degree murder, #2 could be voluntary manslaughter depending on details not covered in scenario (did he beat the dude and the dude happened to die or did he beat him woth the intention of killing him? Did he stop when he realized the guy was in trouble and did he call 911/try and save/help him at that point? Etc.). Scenario #3 is too vague to determine premeditation. More evidence of it would be required to up it to 1st degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 03/15/22 4:45:06 PM #10:	Murder. The perp knew that when he pulled the trigger it would kill the victim. Depends, did the guy just knock him out with a punch and then walk away, and the victim died? Manslaughter. Is the perp a trained fighter? Probably murder. Did the perp continue to pound the victim to a pulp after the fight was over? Murder. Same as above, doesn't really matter if they knew each other. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:963473134] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Murder. The perp knew that when he pulled the trigger it would kill the victim.Depends, did the guy just knock him out with a punch and then walk away, and the victim died? Manslaughter. Is the perp a trained fighter? Probably murder. Did the perp continue to pound the victim to a pulp after the fight was over? Murder.Same as above, doesn't really matter if they knew each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/15/22 4:45:29 PM #11:	Yeah, those are all murder. Premeditated or not determines the degree, but intentionally killing someone is murder unless in self-defense. Accidental death is manslaughter. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:963473141] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, those are all murder. Premeditated or not determines the degree, but intentionally killing someone is murder unless in self-defense. Accidental death is manslaughter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 03/15/22 4:45:48 PM #12:	pretty sure the definition depends on the state. K181 posted... Yeah, those are all murder. Premeditated or not determines the degree, but intentionally killing someone is murder unless in self-defense. Accidental death is manslaughter. for instance i'm pretty sure that in some states you can be charged with manslaughter if you 'accidentally' kill someone while intentionally committing a crime. like stealing a car and running someone over with it while you try to get away. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:963473148] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>pretty sure the definition depends on the state. K181 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, those are all murder. Premeditated or not determines the degree, but intentionally killing someone is murder unless in self-defense. Accidental death is manslaughter.</quote>for instance i'm pretty sure that in some states you can be charged with manslaughter if you 'accidentally' kill someone while intentionally committing a crime. like stealing a car and running someone over with it while you try to get away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chunkey Simmons 03/15/22 4:47:19 PM #13:	eston posted... Obviously this is the very simplified version, but manslaughter generally applies when the death was not intentional while murder applies when there was a clear intent to kill there is such thing as voluntary manslaughter though Machete posted... They all sound like 2nd degree murder, #2 could be voluntary manslaughter depending on details not covered in scenario (did he beat the dude and the dude happened to die or did he beat him woth the intention of killing him? Did he stop when he realized the guy was in trouble and did he call 911/try and save/help him at that point? Etc.). Scenario #3 is too vague to determine premeditation. More evidence of it would be required to up it to 1st degree. why would #1 be murder and #2 be manslaughter? the only difference is the gun. is it because #1 is more severe? anyone can correct me if im wrong, but determining manslaughter vs murder is not by severity. just because it's more severe, does not mean it gets bumped up to murder. murder is premeditated, manslaughter is not. sure, the guy beat the other one up, and he wanted to harm that person, but he did not previously know the person and did not plan on killing him prior to being riled up by the argument --- The n00b of MBH and CE - and proud of it! President Chunkey Simmons, running for 2016. <cite>Chunkey Simmons posted [p:963473185] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>eston posted... </cite> <quote>Obviously this is the very simplified version, but manslaughter generally applies when the death was not intentional while murder applies when there was a clear intent to kill</quote>there is such thing as voluntary manslaughter though Machete posted... </cite> <quote>They all sound like 2nd degree murder, #2 could be voluntary manslaughter depending on details not covered in scenario (did he beat the dude and the dude happened to die or did he beat him woth the intention of killing him? Did he stop when he realized the guy was in trouble and did he call 911/try and save/help him at that point? Etc.). Scenario #3 is too vague to determine premeditation. More evidence of it would be required to up it to 1st degree.</quote>why would #1 be murder and #2 be manslaughter? the only difference is the gun. is it because #1 is more severe? anyone can correct me if im wrong, but determining manslaughter vs murder is not by severity. just because it's more severe, does not mean it gets bumped up to murder. murder is premeditated, manslaughter is not. sure, the guy beat the other one up, and he wanted to harm that person, but he did not previously know the person and did not plan on killing him prior to being riled up by the argument </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chunkey Simmons 03/15/22 4:53:01 PM #14:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... 1. Murder. The perp knew that when he pulled the trigger it would kill the victim. 2. Depends, did the guy just knock him out with a punch and then walk away, and the victim died? Manslaughter. Is the perp a trained fighter? Probably murder. Did the perp continue to pound the victim to a pulp after the fight was over? Murder. 3. Same as above, doesn't really matter if they knew each other. It's not premeditated though. I thought murder meant it had to be planned ahead of time. In this case, the man did not plan on killing the guy until he was riled up by the argument. Not a law expert or anything, just trying to understand better. For point #3, why would previous rapport not matter? That would mean the killing could be premeditated. --- The n00b of MBH and CE - and proud of it! President Chunkey Simmons, running for 2016. <cite>Chunkey Simmons posted [p:963473352] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite> <quote>1. Murder. The perp knew that when he pulled the trigger it would kill the victim. 2. Depends, did the guy just knock him out with a punch and then walk away, and the victim died? Manslaughter. Is the perp a trained fighter? Probably murder. Did the perp continue to pound the victim to a pulp after the fight was over? Murder. 3. Same as above, doesn't really matter if they knew each other.</quote>It's not premeditated though. I thought murder meant it had to be planned ahead of time. In this case, the man did not plan on killing the guy until he was riled up by the argument. Not a law expert or anything, just trying to understand better.For point #3, why would previous rapport not matter? That would mean the killing could be premeditated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/15/22 4:56:04 PM #15:	Chunkey Simmons posted... there is such thing as voluntary manslaughter though why would #1 be murder and #2 be manslaughter? the only difference is the gun. is it because #1 is more severe? anyone can correct me if im wrong, but determining manslaughter vs murder is not by severity. just because it's more severe, does not mean it gets bumped up to murder. murder is premeditated, manslaughter is not. sure, the guy beat the other one up, and he wanted to harm that person, but he did not previously know the person and did not plan on killing him prior to being riled up by the argument legal terminology, and the implementation of that terminology, differs a lot according to location. but generally, no, murder does not have to be premeditated. 1st degree murder is premeditated; 2nd degree murder doesn't have to be --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:963473456] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Chunkey Simmons posted... </cite> <quote>there is such thing as voluntary manslaughter though why would #1 be murder and #2 be manslaughter? the only difference is the gun. is it because #1 is more severe? anyone can correct me if im wrong, but determining manslaughter vs murder is not by severity. just because it's more severe, does not mean it gets bumped up to murder. murder is premeditated, manslaughter is not. sure, the guy beat the other one up, and he wanted to harm that person, but he did not previously know the person and did not plan on killing him prior to being riled up by the argument</quote>legal terminology, and the implementation of that terminology, differs a lot according to location. but generally, no, murder does not have to be premeditated. 1st degree murder is premeditated; 2nd degree murder doesn't have to be </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 03/15/22 5:00:45 PM #16:	Chunkey Simmons posted... 1. It's not premeditated though. I thought murder meant it had to be planned ahead of time. In this case, the man did not plan on killing the guy until he was riled up by the argument. Not a law expert or anything, just trying to understand better. 2. For point #3, why would previous rapport not matter? That would mean the killing could be premeditated. Murder vs. Manslaughter just comes down to intent. Did the suspect intend to kill the victim in that moment? A gun makes scenario 1 easy, pretty much no jury will believe you weren't shooting to kill if you shoot a gun at a person. Scenario 2 is a bit more up in the air, was the suspect just trying to win the fight (manslaughter), or was he actually trying to kill the victim (murder)? That is what they would debate in court. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:963473576] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Chunkey Simmons posted... </cite> <quote>1. It's not premeditated though. I thought murder meant it had to be planned ahead of time. In this case, the man did not plan on killing the guy until he was riled up by the argument. Not a law expert or anything, just trying to understand better. 2. For point #3, why would previous rapport not matter? That would mean the killing could be premeditated.</quote> Murder vs. Manslaughter just comes down to intent. Did the suspect intend to kill the victim in that moment? A gun makes scenario 1 easy, pretty much no jury will believe you weren't shooting to kill if you shoot a gun at a person. Scenario 2 is a bit more up in the air, was the suspect just trying to win the fight (manslaughter), or was he actually trying to kill the victim (murder)? That is what they would debate in court. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 03/15/22 5:17:00 PM #17:	2 could be manslaughter because you didn't provide enough context (see the stuff in parentheses). The defining factor would be did he intend to beat him to death which could be determined by details of the confrontation itself. If he kept beating the guy when he was unconscious and caved his face in, that makes clear intend for murder. If he threw a few punches and stopped when the guy went down and called 911 upon realizing the situation was life-threatening, that is more likely to get a voluntary manslaughter charge. The difference between 1 and 2 is in how you worded them. Intentional shot to the head confirms intent to kill. "Beat to death" requires more details. 1 and 2 confirn no premeditation. 1 confirms intent. 2 is ambiguous on intent. 3 is ambiguous on intent and implies no premeditation but does not confirm it (in the case of premeditation, it typically if confirmed also confirms intent also). --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:963474001] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>2 could be manslaughter because you didn't provide enough context (see the stuff in parentheses). The defining factor would be did he intend to beat him to death which could be determined by details of the confrontation itself. If he kept beating the guy when he was unconscious and caved his face in, that makes clear intend for murder. If he threw a few punches and stopped when the guy went down and called 911 upon realizing the situation was life-threatening, that is more likely to get a voluntary manslaughter charge. The difference between 1 and 2 is in how you worded them. Intentional shot to the head confirms intent to kill. "Beat to death" requires more details. 1 and 2 confirn no premeditation. 1 confirms intent. 2 is ambiguous on intent. 3 is ambiguous on intent and implies no premeditation but does not confirm it (in the case of premeditation, it typically if confirmed also confirms intent also).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 03/15/22 8:35:08 PM #18:	Manslaughter is basically when you kill someone by accident because you were being reckless. Drunk driving, speeding, giving someone the wrong meds, etc --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:963479309] in what exact... [t:79944160]...</cite> <quote>Manslaughter is basically when you kill someone by accident because you were being reckless. Drunk driving, speeding, giving someone the wrong meds, etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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